Flying Heritage Collection

Long Lance · Post by **Long Lance** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:53 pm

I wonder hwo long it will take until original German markings on historical planes will be forbidden...
 

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:12 pm

I only think that's an issue in Germany itself. I recall that the German version of Steel Panthers had to replace the swastika flag for victory hexes with an Imperial or Federal Germany flag.

Long Lance · Post by **Long Lance** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:52 pm

Hopefully...

Historiker · Post by **Historiker** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:17 pm

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

I only think that's an issue in Germany itself. I recall that the German version of Steel Panthers had to replace the swastika flag for victory hexes with an Imperial or Federal Germany flag.

It's a issue in most of Europe, now. The EU has already or wants to make this a crime in all of its empire.
The Red Star won't be forbidden, though...

Anthropoid · Post by **Anthropoid** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:52 pm

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

I only think that's an issue in Germany itself. I recall that the German version of Steel Panthers had to replace the swastika flag for victory hexes with an Imperial or Federal Germany flag.
It's a issue in most of Europe, now. The EU has already or wants to make this a crime in all of its empire.
The Red Star won't be forbidden, though...

Not all totalitarianism is created equally I guess?

Great thread Nik. Superb photos.

ADDIT: Wow, those planes are in amazingly good condition! Any idea where they find these babies, and do they have to do a lot of restoration I assume??

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:20 pm

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid

Not all totalitarianism is created equally I guess?

Great thread Nik. Superb photos.

ADDIT: Wow, those planes are in amazingly good condition! Any idea where they find these babies, and do they have to do a lot of restoration I assume??

Each plane has it's own story. For example the I-16 was found crashed in the wilderness of Siberia IIRC. Yellow 10's story is so long and convoluted that there's an entire book devoted to it in the giftshop. The P-40 is a crashed veteran of lend-lease from the US to the UK to the USSR. The 109 was found with a piece of fuslage poking out of the beach from where it had crashed! Chk out the FHC website for all the histories!

DuckofTindalos · Post by **DuckofTindalos** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:26 pm

Just FYI, the swastika is only illegal in two or three countries in the EU, Germany and Austria foremost among them.

AW1Steve · Post by **AW1Steve** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:43 pm

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Just FYI, the swastika is only illegal in two or three countries in the EU, Germany and Austria foremost among them.

That would be currently. I'm sure that there are many EU bureaucrats that would very much like to forget the second world war. [8|]

DuckofTindalos · Post by **DuckofTindalos** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:45 pm

Yeah well, that sort of thing is outside their jurisdiction. I keep telling you, the EU is not the monolithic superstate that people outside it think. It's a loose conglomerate of independent countries, and it will not be one state in the lifetimes of any of the members of this forum.

Howard Mitchell · Post by **Howard Mitchell** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:54 pm

ORIGINAL: Terminus

... the EU is not the monolithic superstate that people outside it think. It's a loose conglomerate of independent states, and it will not be one state in the lifetimes of any of the members of this forum.

Quite right.

Historiker · Post by **Historiker** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:21 pm

ORIGINAL: Howard Mitchell

ORIGINAL: Terminus

... the EU is not the monolithic superstate that people outside it think. It's a loose conglomerate of independent states, and it will not be one state in the lifetimes of any of the members of this forum.

Quite right.

80% of the German laws are nothing else than following the orders from Bruxelles. These directives aren't created democraticaclly... As well as the European Parliament isn't democratic. One german Member of Parliament represents 830.000 voters, one from Cyprus 83.000 and one from Luxemburg 75.000. If one men's vote counts less than the vote of another, that's racistic, nothing else.
But afaik, it's forbidden to talk about policits here, no?

Moreover, the Svastika is at least forbidden in Germany, Austria, France, Hungaria, Italy... (edit: it was inteded to forbid it in UK, but it didn't succeed because of the Hindus)
But I was wrong, the svastica-ban didn't make it through the EU. I just expected this ban will also make it through the EU...

DuckofTindalos · Post by **DuckofTindalos** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:25 pm

Then why did you start?

Historiker · Post by **Historiker** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:29 pm

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Then why did you start?

did I?
Was it wrong or forbidden (apart from being in regard of the content wrong) to say that the red star isn't banned?

Was that the start of the politic discussion or your:

I keep telling you, the EU is not the monolithic superstate that people outside it think

If that's wrong IMO, should I say nothing?

Anyway, I'm sorry if this violates the forum rules...

Fallschirmjager · Post by **Fallschirmjager** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:07 pm

I wonder why they do not have an IL-2 being the most built plane of the war and perhaps the most important. They have rasied almost a dozen or so from a lake in Hungary whos name escapes me at the moment (I think it starts with a B). They are late model IL-2s. With that many found you would think they would be able to assemble 1-2 complete aircraft.

John Lansford · Post by **John Lansford** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:00 pm

Wow, those are awesome photos.  My dad would kill to get to see those planes in person; unfortunately he's in Florida so that would be quite a trip.  He's currently building a 3/4 scale flyable Zero and has so far built the main wing spar and fuselage ribs.  Did I mention he's doing all of this from scratch?
 
He also owns an Aeronca Chief that he flies around in that looks similar to the Storch, minus the machine gun and open view cockpit.  He'd get a real kick out of seeing those planes fly.

DuckofTindalos · Post by **DuckofTindalos** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:14 pm

ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

I wonder why they do not have an IL-2 being the most built plane of the war and perhaps the most important. They have rasied almost a dozen or so from a lake in Hungary whos name escapes me at the moment (I think it starts with a B). They are late model IL-2s. With that many found you would think they would be able to assemble 1-2 complete aircraft.

Lake Balaton...

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:32 am

Well i figure even Paul Allen's pockets have their limits. Keep in mind that the planes he's already got require lots of maintenance given that they are flown. Thats alot of mulla. I have no problem paying the fee whenever i go up there. Hopefully though, he will get more. His collection is already fantastic for it's variety. It made the Boeing museum almost boring in comparison save for it's Yak-9 and FM-2.

Mynok · Post by **Mynok** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:34 am

And the DR-I...don't forget the DR-I. [:D]

Fallschirmjager · Post by **Fallschirmjager** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:42 am

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

I wonder why they do not have an IL-2 being the most built plane of the war and perhaps the most important. They have rasied almost a dozen or so from a lake in Hungary whos name escapes me at the moment (I think it starts with a B). They are late model IL-2s. With that many found you would think they would be able to assemble 1-2 complete aircraft.

Lake Balaton...

You would be correct sir. A large tank battle took place near by and it looks like many Strumoviks had to ditch. I wonder how many other airplanes are down there?
I bet a university could get some good funding to takes some sonar equipped boats and sweep the lake.

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:53 am

Maybe Allen can finagle that recovered Finish Brewster back to the States.......that would be cool. [:D]

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