Does any of the leaders get promoted??

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RE: Does any of the leaders get promoted??

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I'll modify my statement. I'm playing stock 42A and RADM Mitscher began as a CV commander, only selectable as a individual ship commander. Now in early 44 he is not on a list to be assign as a CV commander. But if I form any TF, even a MSW or a all AK tf in San Francisco he selectable as the TF commander if he is not already at sea. He has changed lists.

But he did begin the scenario as a RADM.

BTW, great tip on ship selection order. Now I can choose which CV or which highest class is the flag. I always ASSUMED it was random. At least in stock it's not.

In the stock 42A scenario, Mitscher is a Rear Admiral and Task Force commander. That's how he starts and that's how he stays. At the start of the game, he is in command of Hornet, but if you replace him in that position you won't be able to put him in command of another ship.

In the stock scenarios that start in December 1941, Mitscher is a Captain and ship commander. You can't make him a task force commander unless he is captain of the task force flagship.
Hold on a second. To beat a dead horse and not that it really matters, but... If RADM Mitscher begins the game as a CV commander. The listed commander of the Hornet on the individual ship info screen. And if you replace him as ships captian he gets PROMOTED to the TF commander list and can't never be a individual ship commander again. Then to say "that's how he starts and that's how he stays" makes no sense.

It might be more accurate to say RADM Mitscher's promotion is hard wired into the game so when you replace him he moves up to the TF commander list.

I didn't lose the Hornet, and I really doubt I replaced him but I have him now as a TF commander.

And back to the stated question of the thread. Yes at least one guy gets promoted in stock.

Use the database editor and look at Mitscher (he's leader #12510) in the Campaign 42A (scenario 13) database. His Rank is "29 - RADM - USN", and his Type is "04 - Task Force". That doesn't change during the game.

If you look at Mitscher in scenario 15, his Rank is "28 - CPT - USN", and his Type is "05 - Ship". That doesn't change during the game.

In the Campaign 42A game, Mitscher is an admiral starting out. If you look at Hornet at the beginning of the game, you'll see that Mitscher, while he is the commanding officer of Hornet, is already a Rear Admiral. He's not a Captain. He doesn't get promoted when you replace him, he stays at the rank he started.

You can make anyone the commanding officer of Hornet at the beginning of the game, using the database editor. Chiang Kai-Chek could be captain of Hornet, and he'd stay there until he's replaced. But he's not a Captain, and he doesn't get promoted when he's replaced.

I know the game sometimes replaces leaders by itself. I've seen it put Japanese Warrant Officers in command of USN ships. If Mitscher appears on the Task Force commander list when you know you haven't replaced him as CO of Hornet, you might want to take a look at Hornet. You may find W.O. Suzuki in command.
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RE: Does any of the leaders get promoted??

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The only fleet carrier I've lost in my PBEM vs Chez is the Hornet, and so I have lost Mitscher. [:(]

I've checked, and he doesn't show up on any new carriers, nor does he show up on either the replacement captains or admirals list.

I also checked all my ships in Pearl Harbor and found one japanese LTJG in charge of a US DD, and one Air Corps 1LT in charge of another one...  but those were the only leader bug incidents among all the ships in Pearl right now (May '44).
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What we mean by saying that "rank doesn't matter" is that if a particular leader becomes the TF leader because his ship is chosen to be the flagship, then his ratings as a captain will perform just as well in combat as the ratings of an Admiral chosen to be put in command instead. So it does not pay to place an admiral who has lower ratings in command over a Mitscher or Sherman. 
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What we mean by saying that "rank doesn't matter" is that if a particular leader becomes the TF leader because his ship is chosen to be the flagship, then his ratings as a captain will perform just as well in combat as the ratings of an Admiral chosen to be put in command instead. So it does not pay to place an admiral who has lower ratings in command over a Mitscher or Sherman. 

Perfect. I have been meaning to get that question answered for a long time. Thanks.

Does a ship commander's admin skill help anything? Quicker repair time or something, maybe? How about ship commander's air skill for something like a DD or CA? Would that help the AA? I'm sure it's in the manual, but since the subject is raised...
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RE: Does any of the leaders get promoted??

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I wish that I could answer those two questions with authority, but I have no real idea... it is not in the manual.

I do treat the administrative rating as valuable in repair, but that is merely conjecture on my part.

I have noticed that TF commanders who are listed as "best for an invasion fleet" have a high ground combat rating (compared to other naval officers!), but I don't know if a high air rating has any effect upon AA.
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RE: Does any of the leaders get promoted??

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The only fleet carrier I've lost in my PBEM vs Chez is the Hornet, and so I have lost Mitscher. [:(]

I've checked, and he doesn't show up on any new carriers, nor does he show up on either the replacement captains or admirals list.

I also checked all my ships in Pearl Harbor and found one japanese LTJG in charge of a US DD, and one Air Corps 1LT in charge of another one...  but those were the only leader bug incidents among all the ships in Pearl right now (May '44).

I ended up with a US Army major in command of an RO boat in my PBEM. I replaced him with a more appropriate commander at first chance.
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