What A Great Game

[jeffk3510]

ORIGINAL: viberpol

ORIGINAL: John Lansford
for her 75 gallon turtle tank. 

Erm... (a no native speaker question).... A "turtle tank"? What is it? [&:]

Will this equipment be included in AE? [:D]

Haha! I'm assuming they have live turtles as pets...as for AE... doubt it [:D]

[viberpol]

Well, Carthaginians or Persians might have used elephants... maybe somewhere Down Under they used combat turtles... who knows? [:D]

[viberpol]

The turtle - first combat submarine [:D]




http://naval-history.suite101.com/artic ... _submarine

[Charbroiled]

I've spent more money on "Ladies of the night" (when I was a lot younger) then I will be paying for AE.....and AE will still be there the next day to play with.[;)]

[Kwik E Mart]

ORIGINAL: viberpol

The turtle - first combat submarine [:D]




http://naval-history.suite101.com/artic ... _submarine

I'm not sure I like the position of this fellow's hands... [X(]

[jjax]

That made me laugh!

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

I've spent more money on "Ladies of the night" (when I was a lot younger) then I will be paying for AE.....and AE will still be there the next day to play with.[;)]

Yeah, but those "ladies of the night" might have left you with some lasting memories as well...

"I've got a souvenir of London,
Got to hide it form me mum.
Can't declare it at the customs,
But I've got to take it home."

[Icedawg]

ORIGINAL: BeastieDog

I have spent untold hours enjoying WitP. After reading the Guadalcanal AAR, I downloaded N's Guadalcanal MOD and spent most of this morning playing the AI. This has been great value for my entertainment dollar. Thanks, Matrix. I'm looking forward to AE!

What's this about an AE scenario that can be downloaded and played?! I quickly scanned through this forum for some link, but couldn't find anything. Am I misunderstanding BeastieDog's post, or has Matrix released some version of a demo?

[DivePac88]

ORIGINAL: Icedawg

ORIGINAL: BeastieDog

I have spent untold hours enjoying WitP. After reading the Guadalcanal AAR, I downloaded N's Guadalcanal MOD and spent most of this morning playing the AI. This has been great value for my entertainment dollar. Thanks, Matrix. I'm looking forward to AE!

What's this about an AE scenario that can be downloaded and played?! I quickly scanned through this forum for some link, but couldn't find anything. Am I misunderstanding BeastieDog's post, or has Matrix released some version of a demo?

No he means he downloaded Nikademus’s Guadalcanal Mod for WitP, and not for AE.

[John Lansford]

The "turtle tank" is just that; a 75 gallon aquarium she got for the turtle she adopted.  It now occupies one of our unused bedrooms and has two filters, a sun lamp, a basking platform (which I built), an aerator and several guppies that were introduced for food but have managed to live the last few weeks.  The turtle is a rather largish red-eared version, about 9" across and rather personable (as far as turtles go).
 
Anyway, I estimate she's easily spent double the cost of AE on the turtle, so she's not going to begrudge me the purchase.  She might start begrudging me the time I spend on the game, though...

[Anthropoid]

Matrix rocks! Can't think of a better company out there PERIOD (except maybe American Express, which is an incredible organization from a customer perspective). Long live Matrix Games!
 
WiTP is an incredible game. Definitely some problems, but they don't constitute "broken." Frustrating that the AI is such crap, but hey, that is gonna be fixed with AE, so why whine about it. Even WITH the broken WiTP AI, the game is still incredibly engrossing, and I am cofident I've spent enough time that I got it down into the pennies per hour cost ratio.
 
AE sounds like a fine new expansion to WiTP, and I'm really looking forward to playing it. Been buying a few too many games here lately, so I might wait a while before I buy AE, but definitely -will- buy it. Any 'serious' strategy wargamer who forsakes owning and trying WiTP or AE is IMHO the real fool.
 
One last point, that is for all you guys, but esp. the WiTP regulars: Matrix has a LOT of different games. During the first year or so that I owned my first Matrix game (WiTP IIRC) I just sorta looked askance at these other titles. Then I gradually started trying them. First TOAWIII, which is a great game . . . then Starships Unlimited, which is granted now a bit dated, but still a fun game for the price . . . then FoF which is incredible . . . Commander Europe at War . . . Close Combat Wacht Am Rhein . . . etc., etc.
 
I have gradually become, at least with my wallet if not also my forum presence, a true Matrix fanboy. I must own 8 or 10 Matrix games now. The last two I bought are the ones that standout in my mind the most: Hired Guns, and BoBII updated to 2.09.
 
If you guys have not tried some of Matrix other titles, do some shopping for something you think you might like and try something new!

[Icedawg]

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

ORIGINAL: Icedawg

ORIGINAL: BeastieDog

I have spent untold hours enjoying WitP. After reading the Guadalcanal AAR, I downloaded N's Guadalcanal MOD and spent most of this morning playing the AI. This has been great value for my entertainment dollar. Thanks, Matrix. I'm looking forward to AE!

What's this about an AE scenario that can be downloaded and played?! I quickly scanned through this forum for some link, but couldn't find anything. Am I misunderstanding BeastieDog's post, or has Matrix released some version of a demo?

No he means he downloaded Nikademus’s Guadalcanal Mod for WitP, and not for AE.

Drat! I guess if it sounds too good to be true, its probably not true. [:(]

[LST Express]

I've quit playing other computer games because of witp. Love the game and the support the game gets. Looking forward to AE big time!

[DivePac88]

ORIGINAL: Icedawg


Drat! I guess if it sounds too good to be true, its probably not true. [:(]

There there sport... Its only 2 weeks tops now, not long. [8D]

[morganbj]

WITP is, quite frankly, the best bargain on the market.  I've spent perhaps thousands of hours on it for a paltry 80 bucks, or whatever it was.  I went to one college football game last year, where we stinkin' lost, and dropped 80 bucks for a ticket, plus gas, plus food, etc.  Let's see, same price, thousands of hours of fun, as opposed to four hours in the blazing Texas heat to watch an underperforming bunch of clowns stumble, fumble and fall their way into oblivion .... I'll take WITP.

Bring on AE!  I plan on playing the heck out of it!!!

[modrow]

Anthropoid,

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid

Matrix rocks! Can't think of a better company out there PERIOD (except maybe American Express, which is an incredible organization from a customer perspective). Long live Matrix Games!

AGREED !!!

Who else would publish so many great games for us, including monsters like WitP, AE, Eagle Day to bombing the Reich, War in the East...

WiTP is an incredible game. Definitely some problems, but they don't constitute "broken." Frustrating that the AI is such crap, but hey, that is gonna be fixed with AE, so why whine about it. Even WITH the broken WiTP AI, the game is still incredibly engrossing, and I am cofident I've spent enough time that I got it down into the pennies per hour cost ratio.

Personally, I agree to this one as well - even though I expect that those who want accuracy and a perfect simulation may look at this from a different angle. I want a fascinating and complex game, with a reasonable amount of balance (which is not perfect in WitP either). But if someone wants a simulation and pure reality, I guess he may call it broken.

What I think is important is that from my point of view when someone is calling the game "broken" I think it cannot be based on a computer-technical interpretation of this word - for me, it runs really stable.

AE sounds like a fine new expansion to WiTP, and I'm really looking forward to playing it.

Well... I am definitely looking forward to AE, but I will definitely continue playing WitP as well - not just due to the game against Nemo. I think that for me AE will turn out to be an expansion OF WitP. Because of the inreased focus on logistics I expect a new, even more realistic dimension of the gameplay. To me, it's not just a mod with a new, more detailed map, improved OOB - it is a game with new aspects which will require new approaches and shift considerations.

If you guys have not tried some of Matrix other titles, do some shopping for something you think you might like and try something new!

DISAGREE !!!

(Note that I write this with the tongue in my cheek). Actually, I did some shopping and may continue to do so (actually, I am in process of looking at the demo of World War I which does not seem to deserve its bad reputation any more), but frankly speaking even truly excellent games (like disaster on the Donets) end up not being played because WitP eats all my playing time, especially since I got hooked on PBEM play.

This is in a way remarkable, because my first Matrix game was Korsun Pocket (still loved, especially the "across the dnepr (sp?)" expansion), and that made me buy a variety of other titles. Then I bought WitP, and I had real trouble getting into that game. Still remember the first time I fired it up and asked myself what to do with the first unit I was supposed to provide with orders (it was a Daitai of Betties)...

But ever since, none of the titles I bought did receive a lot of attention. WitP just overrode it. The new WitP turn was just more thrilling than the new game...

So let's do some shopping to keep Matrix in business and able to publish the games mentioned at the top of this post, but let's not expect that any but these games will be used on a regular basis [;)]

Just my 2 cts - and once more, thanks to Matrix

Hartwig

[Andy Mac]

just to manage expectations and try and lower the mounting expectations bar all I guaranteed was an AI no worse than stock <starting to get scared by punters expectations of a Nemo level sneaky AI>
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I hope and pray the AI is better but all I guarantee is no worse than stock.
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So I want all those pitchforks, stakes, shotguns, ropes and other dangerous impements put away RIGHT NOW.

[Andy Mac]

p.s. I have to confess I have COG Emperors editio bought patched up ready to play and I cannot find time to play it its getting really frustrating !!
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Also I know BTR and BOB are close now as well and I MUST buy them - getting AE done is top of the pile wso I can devote some serious time to COGEE and start nagging Hard Sarge a lot more to get a move on with BOB/BTR

[modrow]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

just to manage expectations and try and lower the mounting expectations bar all I guaranteed was an AI no worse than stock <starting to get scared by punters expectations of a Nemo level sneaky AI>

I hope and pray the AI is better but all I guarantee is no worse than stock.

So I want all those pitchforks, stakes, shotguns, ropes and other dangerous impements put away RIGHT NOW.

Well... just to clarify: At least I was not really relating to AI (just AE) and I don't expect a Nemo level AI. That would mean an AI capable of doing mindplay the way he does, and then we should start looking out for and hunting down loose terminators before it's too late...

But I think recently Vettim89 mentioned this in the AAR of the 2 by 2 game formerly run by John 3rd and Q-Ball:

Nemo has taught me a lot. His extensive knowledge of warfare on a theorectical level is amazing. What he has shown me though is that RL tenets of battle not only apply to WiTP but they work. I think that is testament to how good a game WiTP really is that if you use the same decision making processes that a RL strategic commander would use that you will be successful

Nemo replied

yes, at the strategic level. At lower levels WiTP can fall apart a bit ( which they are trying to fix in AE ) but at the strategic level it achieves its aim of actually showing how almost everything must be suborned to logistics/strategy

What I expect from AE based on what I read in these forums is that the need to suborn to logistics gets even stronger. Potentially, this may make the AI look better, because I think that a) it may become more difficult to unhinge it completely and b) human operational creativity will be lead on a short logistical leash. But what the AI does is not my main issue (even though I do appreciate all the work you put into it [&o] and may play against it to do some training).

Hartwig

[Anthropoid]

World War I: La Grande Geurre . . . it must have been _very_ painful when it first came out. It was painful enough when I bought it back in Jan or Feb, nonetheless, a very interesting innovative design. I stuck with it for a few weeks and posted a lot on the Ageod forum to help out with feedback, but eventually lost interest just before the patch (think it was 1.6d ? that is the latest patch?) which seems to have pretty much fixed it and made it a solid, playable game that allows the games full potential to shine through. I played  few turns with it patched, but by then had moved on to other things.

As far as I can tell, it is now _FIXED_ to the point of being a really good game, I just have not played it enough in its latest patched incarnation to rave about it. Put it this way: even prior to the last patch which fixed some pretty serious issues, I found it to be a ver compelling and well-designed game.

Unlike some of you monogamous WiTP lovers, I'm more of a game slut; hook up with one for a few weeks or months until she gets predictable, then make her the spare and shift another (either new or from the old pile) up to primary status for a while. Right now I'm really loving Battle of Britain II: Wings of Glory . . . which BTW, off to try to shoot down some Spitfires in my Me109! [:D]