yah ive seen it.
it wasnt a ww2 film tho.
The "Actual" Greatest War Movie ever
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First part of Ryan
For "war movie" I have to vote for Saving Private Ryan although it has flaws in the construction as a "movie."
The problem is that Ryan is actually 3 different movies with a hokey wraparound. The first 30 minutes is the most incredible job I ever saw of presenting an actual military. (You have to watch it extremely closely and notice the brief shot of the lost first wave to fully appreciate it.)
The next section where they look for Ryan is an excellent piece on why soldiers fight and the dynamics of the relationships among front-line soldiers. It is really divorced from any particular point in the war.
The third section after they meet Ryan is a classic, hokey but fun shoot-em-up - a Defense of the Alamo in the middle of WWII.
It's the first 30 minutes that gets my vote as the greatest war movie. For the second and third sections, it's enough for me that they weren't oppressive to watch.
The problem is that Ryan is actually 3 different movies with a hokey wraparound. The first 30 minutes is the most incredible job I ever saw of presenting an actual military. (You have to watch it extremely closely and notice the brief shot of the lost first wave to fully appreciate it.)
The next section where they look for Ryan is an excellent piece on why soldiers fight and the dynamics of the relationships among front-line soldiers. It is really divorced from any particular point in the war.
The third section after they meet Ryan is a classic, hokey but fun shoot-em-up - a Defense of the Alamo in the middle of WWII.
It's the first 30 minutes that gets my vote as the greatest war movie. For the second and third sections, it's enough for me that they weren't oppressive to watch.
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If I have to only pick one of my WWII DVD's, it has to be Das Boot (german version of the directors cut). Being a bubble head may influence my choice. For a true feel of the time it is my favorite.
Sink the Bismark and Tora Tora were also good for the dual sided story of sea conflict.
Kelly's Hero's, Dirty Dozen, and The Great Escape for American action.
Longest Day, A Bridge to Far, Patton, Mac Arthur, Bridge over River Kwai, Desert Rats, and Battan for good battles.
Saving Private Ryan, Cross of Iron, and Guadalcanal.
But for EPIC battle movie (not WWII) we must consider Waterloo.
Sink the Bismark and Tora Tora were also good for the dual sided story of sea conflict.
Kelly's Hero's, Dirty Dozen, and The Great Escape for American action.
Longest Day, A Bridge to Far, Patton, Mac Arthur, Bridge over River Kwai, Desert Rats, and Battan for good battles.
Saving Private Ryan, Cross of Iron, and Guadalcanal.
But for EPIC battle movie (not WWII) we must consider Waterloo.
steel tempest ?
Have you watch Steel Tempest ? I have just found it on amazon and I don't know is it worth to buy
czarek
czarek
Anyone seen movie called Beast AKA Beast of War? Its not WW2 based, but Russian - Afganistan war instead. Very nice movie IMO. One Russian tank lost contact to main forces and Afganistans start hunting it in desert... 
Here is link to movie in Amazon -->
Beast of War
Here is link to movie in Amazon -->
Beast of War
"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone
yes, same movie, but it wasnt a commander who joins afgans, it was one other member of crew.Originally posted by Ivan
i think ive seen it
they drive the tank over some afghan at one point right?
then the commander of the tank gets deserted and he joins the afghans or something?
"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone
Best and Worst Movie
Gentlemen, I had to weigh in on this one, I don't know if anyone will actually see it.
Best Movie --> We Were Soldiers - for realism, drama, decent acting. I may be biased having spent three years in the unit, but more true than any movie I've seen. I stood and cheered when that one soldier said, "Garryowen sir!"
Worst Movie --> Without question, "Enemy at the Gates". This movie could not have been worse if it tried. It departs from reality at the point where the only thing that is realistic is that at some point there was a war which involved Russians and Germans. The plot is a farce. The snipers involved was somewhere else or were someone otherwise. The portrayals of Russians and Germans are so far off as to disgrace those who were there on both sides. Clearly the director was a either a Frenchman, or a communist. (I'll be darned, right on both counts!)
When is some one going to make a decent movie of Guy Sajer's "The Forgotten Soldier"? Though I am scared that they would screw it up.
WH3A out.
Best Movie --> We Were Soldiers - for realism, drama, decent acting. I may be biased having spent three years in the unit, but more true than any movie I've seen. I stood and cheered when that one soldier said, "Garryowen sir!"
Worst Movie --> Without question, "Enemy at the Gates". This movie could not have been worse if it tried. It departs from reality at the point where the only thing that is realistic is that at some point there was a war which involved Russians and Germans. The plot is a farce. The snipers involved was somewhere else or were someone otherwise. The portrayals of Russians and Germans are so far off as to disgrace those who were there on both sides. Clearly the director was a either a Frenchman, or a communist. (I'll be darned, right on both counts!)
When is some one going to make a decent movie of Guy Sajer's "The Forgotten Soldier"? Though I am scared that they would screw it up.
WH3A out.
IYACYAS
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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Interesting level of condemnation for Enemy at the gates.
To be sure some of the historicity might have been a bit off, but to miss out of slagging Battle of the Bulge (for looking just plain lame), or not mentioning Pearl Harbour (yes I would see it with a woman, but only if I was going to end up in bed with her later).
Then to pass up on calling Thin Red Line the worst indicates you don't watch a lot of films.
How old are you Matt?
Most of us old grognards would never pick Enemy at the Gates as the worst, even if we didn't like the film.
Way to many better choices for that honour.
To be sure some of the historicity might have been a bit off, but to miss out of slagging Battle of the Bulge (for looking just plain lame), or not mentioning Pearl Harbour (yes I would see it with a woman, but only if I was going to end up in bed with her later).
Then to pass up on calling Thin Red Line the worst indicates you don't watch a lot of films.
How old are you Matt?
Most of us old grognards would never pick Enemy at the Gates as the worst, even if we didn't like the film.
Way to many better choices for that honour.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
To elaborate. . .
I stand corrected. Enemy at the Gates is not winning running away. Battle of the Bulge is a close second. I had forgotten about that. I haven't seen Pearl Harbor yet through a strange set of circumstances.
But to talk specifics in "Enemy. . ." I'll start at the beginning with the Soviet reinforcements being moved across the river. They were not the most polished military machine ever, but were organized into units, like squads, platoons, companies and so on. The Soviets had come to Stalingrad battle with over one million fairly experienced reserves from the east and north, so I'm willing to bet they had their own rifles.
The movie portrays the Russian soldiers as happy go lucky galumphs who took a break each night to socialize in basements, and then attack with the guns of their political officers at the back during the day? All the Germans are fat slovenly morons who callously and arbitrarily wander about shooting wounded Russians.
Oh the snipers. There was a German sniper instructor there. He was killed by a female Soviet sniper. James Lucas or Paul Carroll has her account in a book. I have her picture in another German book. She apparently stalked him over several days and finally shot him as he was hiding under some sheet metal in a vacant lot. She lived through the war in is credited with shooting over 350 Germans.
A good portion of my movie collection is war movies, and I particularly enjoy several: The Longest Day, Paths of Glory, Gettysburg, Gallipolli, and even Kelly's Heroes.
Les, I'm 27. BTW, which regiment were you in? I have an affinity for Canadians, even if you have unified the forces up there and have some friends who spent considerable time in the RCD, and Lord Strathcona's Horse (RC).
Regards,
Matt
But to talk specifics in "Enemy. . ." I'll start at the beginning with the Soviet reinforcements being moved across the river. They were not the most polished military machine ever, but were organized into units, like squads, platoons, companies and so on. The Soviets had come to Stalingrad battle with over one million fairly experienced reserves from the east and north, so I'm willing to bet they had their own rifles.
The movie portrays the Russian soldiers as happy go lucky galumphs who took a break each night to socialize in basements, and then attack with the guns of their political officers at the back during the day? All the Germans are fat slovenly morons who callously and arbitrarily wander about shooting wounded Russians.
Oh the snipers. There was a German sniper instructor there. He was killed by a female Soviet sniper. James Lucas or Paul Carroll has her account in a book. I have her picture in another German book. She apparently stalked him over several days and finally shot him as he was hiding under some sheet metal in a vacant lot. She lived through the war in is credited with shooting over 350 Germans.
A good portion of my movie collection is war movies, and I particularly enjoy several: The Longest Day, Paths of Glory, Gettysburg, Gallipolli, and even Kelly's Heroes.
Les, I'm 27. BTW, which regiment were you in? I have an affinity for Canadians, even if you have unified the forces up there and have some friends who spent considerable time in the RCD, and Lord Strathcona's Horse (RC).
Regards,
Matt
IYACYAS
actually,in the early days of the war the soviets had no where near enough rifles for all the men.
now vasili is from the urals so im betting all the guys who came along with him were drafter at gunpoint from the same area, shoved into trains and moved directly to stalingrad. And im willing to bet that they did not have rifles for everyone at that exact point from when they get to the harbour.
And fat germans?Only fat germans i remember is the one officer and that one private.
And the russians did have political officers in every company to keep them in check by gunpoint.
And now im confused, Are you saying that Zaitsev is not a real character from history?
now vasili is from the urals so im betting all the guys who came along with him were drafter at gunpoint from the same area, shoved into trains and moved directly to stalingrad. And im willing to bet that they did not have rifles for everyone at that exact point from when they get to the harbour.
And fat germans?Only fat germans i remember is the one officer and that one private.
And the russians did have political officers in every company to keep them in check by gunpoint.
And now im confused, Are you saying that Zaitsev is not a real character from history?
Suomi. Finland. Perkele.
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Les_the_Sarge_9_1
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I actually have Vasili Ivanovich Chuicov's own personal book telling of his defense of Stalingrad, I must get around to reading it I suppose.
Matt I am 40 now so my time in uniform is a bit dim of memory. But I was in the RCRs Royal Canadian Regiment based in Petawawa. But it was back in 81.
They had just begun the notion of direct entry for infantry recruits (no Cornwallis, you went straight to your unit...what a hoot).
031 Death Tech what a lifestyle hehe:)
Matt I am 40 now so my time in uniform is a bit dim of memory. But I was in the RCRs Royal Canadian Regiment based in Petawawa. But it was back in 81.
They had just begun the notion of direct entry for infantry recruits (no Cornwallis, you went straight to your unit...what a hoot).
031 Death Tech what a lifestyle hehe:)
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Best movie
Not fair to ask for one. Two would have been perfect. I love the obvious one. But my vote goe to Kelleys Heros- what a H** of a movie. Besides the "other one" it is the only war movie my wife likedl It was a riotl
Been gone for a long time, hope not everybody forgot me. parusski
Been gone for a long time, hope not everybody forgot me. parusski
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