PBEM Trade

[06 Maestro]

I am having some difficulty trading during a PBEM game. I have attempted to make an agreed upon trade for several turns, and each time I'm informed that the trade was not accepted.

When I propose the trade the Trade Adviser frowns. I do not have it turned on, but I wonder if it still has an impact on trades.

This did not occur previously in the game. However, this is the first trade of that item (textiles) to that other player/country.

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

06, you are quite right not to have the Trade adviser on; the face can still either Smile, normally you get exchange rate of 1-1, Frown or Scowl in the latter 2 cases you have to bump your offer up, so for 1 Textile you may need to offer 2 or 3 Resourse/Money etc. sometimes they dislike you so much they just wont trade at all.

One of the uses of Diplomates can be to 'Charm' powers you want to trade with, you can also check that powers attitude to you in 'Country Details' if you have a Diplo in or adjacent too the country.

If its a Human player you are trying to trade with they may not have altered their PBEM preferences to allow the trade or you may not have the resourse cleared for export on yours (Right click on map and choose PBEM preferences/policy).

Hope that helps.

All the Best
Peter

[06 Maestro]

Thanks for the response Kingmaker.

I am certain that I have the correct settings for the trade (assuming the X is activating it). The other player says he has his correctly set also-we have been conducting trades with other items successfully.

Before the agreed upon amount is reached in the trade proposal dialog, the Trade Adviser stops looking happy. I do not know if it still has an impact on MP games affecting trading, but something is.

Again, it is turned off.

I have been trading wool at a rate of 2 money for 1 wool. I am trying to get a deal of 7 money for 1 textile-seems like a reasonable deal to me.[8D] Playing as Turkey, I need the mullah.

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

OK 2 things that "may" be happening here, not completely sure so please don't quote me [:)]

a) if you are trying to Trade passed the point were the Advisors says it's 'Not reasonable' then even though you are acting with the blessing of your Human opponant then the Game will not allow it (maybe something that could be changed for PBEM in the next patch)

b) look at 'Veiw relations' if your human opponants country shows a negative Smiley face then the deal doesn't seem to work, from my experiance anyhow, hence the idea of useing a Diplomate &/or Subsidies to improve 'Attitude' between Powers (maybe yet another reason for making a 'Trade clause' in the Treaty actions)

Sorry thats all I can think of, again it really would be useful if a Dev could give a breakdown on the finer points of PBEM Trade, I have asked before but they obviously still have a lot on their plates so ...

All the Best
Peter

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Kingmaker

a) if you are trying to Trade passed the point were the Advisors says it's 'Not reasonable' then even though you are acting with the blessing of your Human opponant then the Game will not allow it (maybe something that could be changed for PBEM in the next patch)

That is precisely what I was wondering about (and my fellow player too). Our nations have relations over 500 and everything was set correctly for the trade, but it would not happen. It looks like it won't, because it can't.

The trade adviser thinks that textiles are worth the same as wool or cotton-at least between France and Turkey-strange. It would be nice if the trade adviser could be disabled for PBEM games.

Thanks for the info

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

Thats one of the reasons I keep asking for a 'Trade' eliment in the Treaty bit, it would sort all sorts of irritating probs out in PBEM + add scope to what is essentially an under used part of the game, ie everybody has at least 1 Diplo action per turn, but once the initial Alliances and then Surrenders are done the feature just lies there unused [:(]

All the Best
Peter

[ericbabe]

If the Economic Expert is turned off, then it shouldn't matter what the Trade Advisor thinks about a trade proposal.  However, some trades that you may be able to propose during the Orders Phase may not be possible during the subsequent Movement Phase because of shortfalls in total or provincial production (on either side of the trade.)  We are considering ways to make better messages in response to these shortfalls.

[Mus]

Eric,

Dont know if the same situation applies here, but in our earlier tech support thread about the trade between Great Britain and Sweden, you suggested trying a smaller trade and seeing if that would go through.

That worked, and thereafter the AI seemed to be allocating resources for that small trade, so that further small trades could be accepted.

Does this sound like the way it ought to work? This is a workaround if larger trades are not going through because of issues with provincial production being largely consumed while a national surplus is not being dipped into by the AI.

[cato13]

is the trade still bugged in that when auto trade is on the AI never exports/inports anything that u select on the trade screen?

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: tonedog

is the trade still bugged in that when auto trade is on the AI never exports/inports anything that u select on the trade screen?

In the case that I described here the problem turned out to be that the exchange rate for the trade must fall within a certain value. If that value is exceeded, the trade would not go through. If the exchange rate made the Advisor smile during the proposal, the trade goes through. This is the case regardless of the trade adviser being turned off. There are ways to work around this using some expanded trade agreements with ither players.

[cato13]

the bug im talkin about is as follows.

i prefer playin with the complex economy on and when i start a game i check what surpluses i have and what i need to import.

i then turn on the trade advisor and then tick and untick all the relevant trade items i want to buy and sell. what happens though is the AI proceeds to export and import lots of random things that have no relation to what i ticked.

i havent played in a while but does this still happen? im talkin bout single play not MP.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Kingmaker

HiHi

Hihi is telegraphic laughter, Morse code laughter. Are you into Amateur Radio by any chance? Like below:
.... .. .... ..

I probably missed this by a mile but thought I would ask. [:)]

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

Sorry Larry it's just an "Idiotsyncrasy" on my part, I use it as a verbal greeting as well, as in, "HiHi, how's things?", cant remember where it came from but been using it a long, long time, even before I had a puter.

Interesting though, I presume it's solely for Radio Morse as I used to use Morse via optical means while at Sea and never came accross it there; mind you that was rarely for 'Chat', just sending & recieving Instructions so may not have been pertinent back then.

All the Best
Peter

[LarryP]

Peter; Thanks for replying. I have been in Ham Radio for about 25 years. Morse code is my favorite mode. The HiHi is used all the time as laughter when sending code. The reason is that "h" is four dots and "i" is two dots. Sent together it sounds good and is easy to send. A lot of Hams also use HiHi verbally when talking too, I guess to express laughter. I don't, sounds kind of funky to me.

Anyways, whenever I see HiHI it catches my eyes. So you used the light and mirrors at sea? No use for HiHi there as you said. [;)]

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

Ha! so I have a new function in life, bringing laughter to folk, nice [:D]

Yer you are right it does sound good, been practicing while making a cuppa "dot,dot,dot, dot, ... dot, dot," sought of musical sound too it.

In my case we are talking something like 35 years since I last used morse as a junior Deck Officer, and yes via Aldis lamp.

All the Best
Peter