Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

Thanks Froonp,
I like to edit stuff to my own strenght values,in respect of the naval aspect of things,Scharnhorst is my favourite ship I have a photo of her on my desktop defence wise she was comparable to the Bismarck,great pity she only ever had 11in guns![:)]

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

There is no editor, but all the counters factors and all the map datas are contained in a dozen of CSV files. Editing CSV files is pretty easy, once you know the meaning of each field, and the MWiF documentation will have an appendix where all those fields are described. And if iit is not sufficient, I've worked enougth on the counters and the map to give directions to anyone who would have problems editing the counters.

Hiya Froonp,
I just downloaded a csv file editor from the web, CSVed version 1.4.8b Sam Franke 2009 for anyone else who may be interested in editing,so hopfully I'm all set to edit factors when game is released can't wait.[:)]

[Mike Parker]

Hellfirejet,
 
Open office's spreadsheet program works well with CSV's also, and its a free office suite.  Ya might want to look into it.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

Hellfirejet,

Open office's spreadsheet program works well with CSV's also, and its a free office suite.  Ya might want to look into it.

I think that you should not use any office program to edit the CSV files, only text editors.
Other programs may have a tendency to disrupt the CSV file.

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

I have Open Office & Microsoft Office Pro on my system already, I just downloaded the CSVed version 1.4.8b Sam Franke 2009 editor to see what it was like.[8D]

[Mike Parker]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

Hellfirejet,

Open office's spreadsheet program works well with CSV's also, and its a free office suite.  Ya might want to look into it.

I think that you should not use any office program to edit the CSV files, only text editors.
Other programs may have a tendency to disrupt the CSV file.

Well I edit csv files all the time at work with excel, its one of the native formats, I just assumed open office has a csv native format too, but I do not know.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

Hellfirejet,

Open office's spreadsheet program works well with CSV's also, and its a free office suite.  Ya might want to look into it.

I think that you should not use any office program to edit the CSV files, only text editors.
Other programs may have a tendency to disrupt the CSV file.

Well I edit csv files all the time at work with excel, its one of the native formats, I just assumed open office has a csv native format too, but I do not know.

Excel should work fine for editing CSV files, as long as you defeat Microsoft's constant attempts to save the file as xls instead of csv.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: hellfirejet

Thanks Froonp,
I like to edit stuff to my own strenght values,in respect of the naval aspect of things,Scharnhorst is my favourite ship I have a photo of her on my desktop defence wise she was comparable to the Bismarck,great pity she only ever had 11in guns![:)]

Warspite1

Great pity for who? Not the Royal Navy or the men of the merchant marine! [;)]

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

Althought the German navy was small compared to what she had in the 1st world war,Germany during the 2nd world war in my opinion, never really used her surface fleet in an agressive manner,on land and in the air Germany was agressive,but at sea they were to say the least ineffectual, althought the uboats were good in wolf packs. The surface ships should have concentrated on the British merchant convoys and cut the supply lines much more often than they did during the actual war.[:)]

In general they were used in 1 or 2 ship missions,that ran away at the first sign of a capital ship.[;)]

Don't get me wrong I'm British well Scottish, the Royal navy had very good ships your avatar Warspite was one of them Nelson,Rodney,Hood the list is end less,but the battle of the river plate demonstrated there true potential if used aggressively,Admiral Graf Spee v Exeter,Ajax & Achilles the Exeter had to disengage crippled with a heavy list,while Graf Spee suffered minor damage during the engagement,she should have slipped away into the south atlantic,instead she got trapped in harbour because of false information.[8D]

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: hellfirejet

Althought the German navy was small compared to what she had in the 1st world war,Germany during the 2nd world war in my opinion, never really used her surface fleet in an agressive manner,on land and in the air Germany was agressive,but at sea they were to say the least ineffectual, althought the uboats were good in wolf packs. The surface ships should have concentrated on the British merchant convoys much more often than they did during the actual war.[:)]

In general they were used in 1 or 2 ship missions,that ran away at the first sign of a capital ship.[;)]

Hitler was unhappy about the loss of ships in the Norwegian invasion.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: hellfirejet

Althought the German navy was small compared to what she had in the 1st world war,Germany during the 2nd world war in my opinion, never really used her surface fleet in an agressive manner,on land and in the air Germany was agressive,but at sea they were to say the least ineffectual, althought the uboats were good in wolf packs. The surface ships should have concentrated on the British merchant convoys much more often than they did during the actual war.[:)]

In general they were used in 1 or 2 ship missions,that ran away at the first sign of a capital ship.[;)]

Warspite1

That`s right - one of the few exceptions was Captain Langsdorff in the Graf Spee who, contrary to popular belief, grew tired of his "can`t attack enemy units -even if weaker" orders and choose to attack Harwood`s cruiser force.

If the Germans or Italians had a Somerville or a Cunningham - particularly in the Mediterranean - things could have been very different.

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

Covering the land invasion with the large surface units was a mistake they should have been harrassing the convoy routes,in so doing keeping the royal navy busy trying to hunt for them,in the mean time the available light cruisers and destroyers could have supported the invasion forces![:)]

Hitler knew nothing about Naval tactics,and his Admirals were to scared of him to object a bunch of pussies[:D]

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

Yip captain Langsdorff was a true gentleman,by all accounts in any books I have read,Admiral Graf Spee and her 2 sister ships were perfect for what they were designed for commerce raiders,faster than any British battleship except the battlecruisers,and stronger than any cruiser in firepower.[8D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: hellfirejet

Yip captain Langsdorff was a true gentleman,by all accounts in any books I have read,Admiral Graf Spee and her 2 sister ships were perfect for what they were designed for commerse raiders,faster than any British battleship except the battlecruisers,and stronger than any cruiser.[8D]

Warspite1

Mmmm.... maybe when they were built. Unfortunately for the Kriegsmarine, shortly after they were completed the French laid down the two Dunkerque`s, and battleships generally started to get a whole lot faster. The PB`s had too many drawbacks, little more strongly armoured than a cruiser and only two turrets - so difficult to focus on more than one target and still get a decent salvo - were just two.

Langsdorff certainly played the game though as far as treatment of merchant ships and their crews were concerned - more than can be said for the Deutschland - two of the ships she captured/sunk on her maiden voyage caused international incidents - whoops!

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

Yip your right again they were not designed to engage Battleships,and that the newer battleships were faster the French Dunkerque's approx 30 knots compared to the Pocket battleships 28 knots,not to be to disrespectful to the French navy but they did not do much during the war either![;)]

In regard to fighting more than one target,her 6 x 11in main armament could engage the most powerful opponent, while her 8 x 5.9in secondary could keep other targets busy,as at the battle of the river plate that I mentioned earlier proved, she was more than capable of taking on more than one opponent.[;)]


Name: Admiral Graf Spee
Namesake: Maximilian von Spee
Laid down: 1 October 1932
Launched: 30 June 1934
Commissioned: 6 January 1936
Nickname: Graf Spee
Fate: Scuttled 17 December 1939
General characteristics
Class and type: Deutschland class cruiser
Displacement: 12,100 t standard;
16,200 t full load
Length: 186 m (610 ft)
Beam: 21.65 m (71.0 ft)
Draught: 7.34 metres (24.1 ft)
Propulsion: Eight 9-cylinder double-acting two-stroke MAN diesels
two screws, 52,050 hp
Speed: 28.5 knots (53 km/h)
Range: 8,900 nautical miles at 20 knots (16,500 km at 37 km/h)
Or
19,000 nautical miles at 10 knots (35,000 km at 18.5 km/h)
Complement: 1001-1,150
Electronic warfare
and decoys: Early version of Seetakt radar
Armament:
6 × 280 mm (11 inch)
8 × 150 mm (5.9 inch)
6 × 105 mm (4.1 inch)
8 × 37 mm
10 × 20 mm
8 × 533 mm (21 inch) torpedo tubes
Armour:
turret face: (140 mm)
belt: (100 mm)
deck: 40-70 mm)
Aircraft carried: Two Arado 196 seaplanes, one catapult

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

I'm sure I speak for all the members here, who are interested in the Naval aspect of things,and to those who actually served during the war,may I say I'm humbled in your company and full of respect and admiration.For I like many others lost relatives in the war and there memory will live on.[&o]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: hellfirejet

Yip your right again they were not designed to engage Battleships,and that the newer battleships were faster the French Dunkerque's approx 30 knots compared to the Pocket battleships 28 knots,not to be to disrespectful to the French navy but they did not do much during the war either![;)]

In regard to fighting more than one target,her 6 x 11in main armament could engage the most powerful opponent, while her 8 x 5.9in secondary could keep other targets busy,as at the battle of the river plate that I mentioned earlier proved, she was more than capable of taking on more than one opponent.[;)]


Name: Admiral Graf Spee
Namesake: Maximilian von Spee
Laid down: 1 October 1932
Launched: 30 June 1934
Commissioned: 6 January 1936[1]
Nickname: Graf Spee
Fate: Scuttled 17 December 1939
General characteristics
Class and type: Deutschland class cruiser
Displacement: 12,100 t standard;
16,200 t full load
Length: 186 m (610 ft)[2]
Beam: 21.65 m (71.0 ft)[2]
Draught: 7.34 metres (24.1 ft)[2]
Propulsion: Eight 9-cylinder double-acting two-stroke MAN diesels
two screws, 52,050 hp
Speed: 28.5 knots (53 km/h)
Range: 8,900 nautical miles at 20 knots (16,500 km at 37 km/h)
Or
19,000 nautical miles at 10 knots (35,000 km at 18.5 km/h)
Complement: 1001-1,150[1]
Electronic warfare
and decoys: Early version of Seetakt radar[3]
Armament: 6 × 280 mm (11 inch)
8 × 150 mm (5.9 inch)
6 × 105 mm (4.1 inch)
8 × 37 mm
10 × 20 mm
8 × 533 mm (21 inch) torpedo tubes
Armor: turret face: (140 mm)
belt: (100 mm)
deck: 40-70 mm)
Aircraft carried: Two Arado 196 seaplanes, one catapult

Warspite1

HFJ,

Yes she could take on more than one opponent, but not with her main armament (without having to keep switching targets - never ideal). The point about her being stronger than any faster ship was supposed to be that she did not need to engage at "close quarters" but could keep a faster ship at bay with her 11-inchers.

Commodore Harwood - of typical RN fighting stock - knew full well that he did not have to sink Graf Spee with his cruiser force. Graf Spee was thousands of miles from home. All he needed to do was damage her badly enough that she would not be able to get home without running into heavier units later. Langsdorff had to sink the British/NZ ships or they could shadow him and guide those heavy units down on her.

By engaging at her secondary armament distance (the same as the main armament of Achilles and Ajax), that meant Graf Spee was going to take the punishment she could ill afford due to her relatively light armour.

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

All true but in my eyes it's better to go down fighting than let yourself be scuttled,maybe a bit to agressive, but I would have taken the damage,closed the range on Exeter and blown her out of the water,then turned my attention on the those annoying light cruiser,with my main + secondary armaments,I don't think Ajax or Achilles could have withstood much 11in shell damage before being SUNK,they can't shadow and give position reports if they are at the bottom of the south atlantic,the army and airforce were fighting and taking heavy losses,the navy should have done the same,I mean they were supposed to be at war.

All reports after the battle showed that it was Exeters 8in shells, that were penetrating Admiral Graf Spee armour and doing damage,Ajax and Achilles 6in shells in general were not penetrating her armour,so the damage they were inflicting was more annoying than a major concern.After Exeter had been sunk, I feel the light cruisers would have had to try and increase the range or suffer the same fate of Exeter.

Then when at there max 6in gun range any hits would be fewer, but Admiral Graf Spees 11in shells with the aid of plunging fire, would go through Ajax & Achilles armour like a hot knife through butter,with only one outcome the destruction of the ship.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: hellfirejet

All true but in my eyes it's better to go down fighting than let yourself be scuttled,maybe a bit to agressive, but I would have taken the damage,closed the range on Exeter and blown her out of the water,then turned my attention on the those annoying light cruiser,with my main + secondary armaments,I don't think Ajax or Achilles could have withstood much 11in shell damage before being SUNK,they can't shadow and give position reports if they are at the bottom of the south atlantic,the army and airforce were fighting and taking heavy losses,the navy should have done the same,I mean they were supposed to be at war.

All reports after the battle showed that it was Exeters 8in shells, that were penetrating Admiral Graf Spee armour and doing damage,Ajax and Achilles 6in shells in general were not penetrating her armour,so the damage they were inflicting was more annoying than a major concern.After Exeter had been sunk, I feel the light cruisers would have had to try and increase the range or suffer the same fate of Exeter.

Then when at there max 6in gun range any hits would be fewer, but Admiral Graf Spees 11in shells with the aid of plunging fire, would go through Ajax & Achilles armour like a hot knife through butter,with only one outcome the destruction of the ship.

I think you underestimate what damage the always aggressive, and skilled, English could do. Maybe they would try to do smoke screens and get in close and torpedo Admiral Graf Spee. That is asuming that the light cruisers had torpedos.

[kirk23_MatrixForum]

Yes Leander class light cruisers have 8 x 21" TT but that won't help much because Graf Spee had radar which as you know can see through smoke.[;)]