A Mutiny

[Bullwinkle58]

Playing Aleutians scenario, June 7, 1943 as Allies, full-screen, versus AI. USS Nevada is reported in the Ships list as being in Paramushiro Jima with 13 system damage. The Japanese still own that island. She still has North Pacific as an HQ. I can't access her to move her, there is no icon on the map for an Allied ship there. I didn't move her there. She's in some kind of database limbo.

I saw a post about the CVE in this scenario disappearing in someone's game as well. Maybe there's a database bug causing both problems.

[Bullwinkle58]

Replying to myself:

I loaded up the save game from the Japanese side. USS Nevada is not in an IJN base. They list her as sunk by torpedo near Kiska.

As Allies, I do not list her as sunk, or even damaged very much. I didn't recieve any sunk message on her. She was in the starting TF with the other BBs and CAs. USS Idaho took a lot of damage and I moved her into port in Dutch Harbor. She's still there. I moved that TF around some, did a few bombarment missions, etc. Never detatched Nevada.

So, is this some sort of uber-FOW where the Japanese are right and I think my own ship is sitting in a port she can't be? Or is it a DB glitch? Or something else?

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Replying to myself:

I loaded up the save game from the Japanese side. USS Nevada is not in an IJN base. They list her as sunk by torpedo near Kiska.

As Allies, I do not list her as sunk, or even damaged very much. I didn't recieve any sunk message on her. She was in the starting TF with the other BBs and CAs. USS Idaho took a lot of damage and I moved her into port in Dutch Harbor. She's still there. I moved that TF around some, did a few bombarment missions, etc. Never detatched Nevada.

So, is this some sort of uber-FOW where the Japanese are right and I think my own ship is sitting in a port she can't be? Or is it a DB glitch? Or something else?

So Nevada was still in your TF when you disbanded the TF?

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: treespider

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Replying to myself:

I loaded up the save game from the Japanese side. USS Nevada is not in an IJN base. They list her as sunk by torpedo near Kiska.

As Allies, I do not list her as sunk, or even damaged very much. I didn't recieve any sunk message on her. She was in the starting TF with the other BBs and CAs. USS Idaho took a lot of damage and I moved her into port in Dutch Harbor. She's still there. I moved that TF around some, did a few bombarment missions, etc. Never detatched Nevada.

So, is this some sort of uber-FOW where the Japanese are right and I think my own ship is sitting in a port she can't be? Or is it a DB glitch? Or something else?

So Nevada was still in your TF when you disbanded the TF?

As far as I recall, I never disbanded it. I added some DDs into it, but the only ships that left were Idaho with major damage (left as an Escort group and was still repairing in Dutch Harbor at the end of the scenario.) At some point I just looked at my big Surface TF, with the BBs and CAs, and some DDs, and Nevada was gone. I went looking and found her in a Japanese base, not accessible to TF orders.

More strangeness. I forgot to post in my second one that, playing Allies, even when she was listed as being in P. Jima, I could go to the repair screen and shift her from Readiness to Pierside and change the repair priority. But I couldn't execute any other orders. This was at the same time the Japanese side listed her as sunk.

Also, when I finished the scenario tonight, she still listed as being in P. Jima to the Allied side. When I did the "examine map" thing and looked at the Japanese bases, she no longer was in their sunk list, or at P. Jima, or repairing, or anything. I assume that the Ships Sunk list after the scenario ends has no FOW in it, and the two looked like they matched (didn't run them against each other.) But whatever put Navada into an enemy base at pierside survived the end of the scenario and the removal of FOW from the Allied POV.

I have a save on June 7, 1943 after I noticed her in P. Jima. I could send it to anyone who wants it. (The Japanese Sunk list says she went down on May 20, 1943.)

[Cmdrcain]

On damage, ships WILL automatic detach if damaged enough and go into an escort TF that sets sail to a base...

Possiable it did that and ended up sunk but  with fog of war on... maybe confusion in allies.

For sure I had the CA Houston hit bad... a turn later I found it in Port and set it up again in a TF and  tried move it elsewhere...

Had in the operations log a  message about the houston being sunk   was in error

AE has a deeper fog of war... perhaps your seeing a sunk Ghost ship..

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I have a save on June 7, 1943 after I noticed her in P. Jima. I could send it to anyone who wants it. (The Japanese Sunk list says she went down on May 20, 1943.)

Please post your save as an attachment to this thread.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I have a save on June 7, 1943 after I noticed her in P. Jima. I could send it to anyone who wants it. (The Japanese Sunk list says she went down on May 20, 1943.)

Please post your save as an attachment to this thread.

Just looked in the Saves folder for the first time. WOW! Lots of text files.

I think this is the correct file. I have it in Slot 3. If it's not, let me know.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I have a save on June 7, 1943 after I noticed her in P. Jima. I could send it to anyone who wants it. (The Japanese Sunk list says she went down on May 20, 1943.)

Please post your save as an attachment to this thread.

Since it's there, this is (I think) the combat report from May 20, 1943 when I believe the Japanese thought they sank Nevada.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Cmdrcain

On damage, ships WILL automatic detach if damaged enough and go into an escort TF that sets sail to a base...

Possiable it did that and ended up sunk but  with fog of war on... maybe confusion in allies.

For sure I had the CA Houston hit bad... a turn later I found it in Port and set it up again in a TF and  tried move it elsewhere...

Had in the operations log a  message about the houston being sunk   was in error

AE has a deeper fog of war... perhaps your seeing a sunk Ghost ship..

All that makes sense, except that, after the scenario ends and FOW isn't a factor, neither side lists her as sunk, but from the Allied POV she's sitting pierside in a Japanese base, trying to repair 13 system damage, while from the Japanese POV she's nowhere to be seen.

[Don Bowen]

Got the save, thanks. Will take a look (probably tomorrow).

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

All that makes sense, except that, after the scenario ends and FOW isn't a factor, neither side lists her as sunk, but from the Allied POV she's sitting pierside in a Japanese base, trying to repair 13 system damage, while from the Japanese POV she's nowhere to be seen.

See the problem in the save, but no clues (yet) as to why. Fog of War was involved but should obviously not have docked an Allied ship at a Japanese base.

Do you have an earlier save? Something closer to May 20, 1943.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

All that makes sense, except that, after the scenario ends and FOW isn't a factor, neither side lists her as sunk, but from the Allied POV she's sitting pierside in a Japanese base, trying to repair 13 system damage, while from the Japanese POV she's nowhere to be seen.

See the problem in the save, but no clues (yet) as to why. Fog of War was involved but should obviously not have docked an Allied ship at a Japanese base.

Do you have an earlier save? Something closer to May 20, 1943.

Unfortunately, no. Slot 4 is my current game, the Guad. scenario, and the autosave slot relates to that. I usually don't have multiple saves of a current game. Maybe stupid of me.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Do you have an earlier save? Something closer to May 20, 1943.

Unfortunately, no. Slot 4 is my current game, the Guad. scenario, and the autosave slot relates to that. I usually don't have multiple saves of a current game. Maybe stupid of me.

No worries. When I get a chance I'll glance over code and see if anything jumps out at me. If you happen to see it again, just send a save.

[Rainer]

Just a tip for later:
I use the slot number which corresponds with the date.
Meaning: Save after "Orders Given" on, say January 21, will go into Slot #21. Next into #22 and so on.
The only catch: there is no slot #1, so you have to use slot #2 for day 1 and day 2.

This way you can go back a full month if needed or to any other day within the last four weeks.
Helps a lot with identifying issues.