AE Naval and OOB Issues [OUTDATED]

[John Lansford]

I've had the CA Chokai depthcharge my subs off the port of Balikpapan twice so far.  I didin't know such big ships had sonar and DC racks.

[Gilbert]

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

I've had the CA Chokai depthcharge my subs off the port of Balikpapan twice so far.  I didin't know such big ships had sonar and DC racks.

Yes, IJN CA did have between 8 and 16 DC aboard depending of the different classes and timeframes


Gilbert

[Sonny II]

ORIGINAL: BPRE


I've just docked a tanker TF in Cairns with a total tonnage of 11850 (2 TK at 5300 each and 2 AM at 625 each).
Why is docked tonnage shown in red? Limit for Cairns is 12000 tons.

The explanation for this part of the Location Info Display does not exist in the manual AFAIK. The table in page 109 is the closest I can find.

/BPRE

When the total tonnage gets close to the limit you get that color as a warning.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: BPRE


I've just docked a tanker TF in Cairns with a total tonnage of 11850 (2 TK at 5300 each and 2 AM at 625 each).
Why is docked tonnage shown in red? Limit for Cairns is 12000 tons.

The explanation for this part of the Location Info Display does not exist in the manual AFAIK. The table in page 109 is the closest I can find.

/BPRE

Should not be red, but orange. It's an indication of close to limit.

[EasilyConfused]

Was looking through the editor and I noticed that the Bristol class DD Laffey is supposed to arrive at San Francisco on April 31, 1942.  Seeing as there are only 30 days in April, I figure it's an error.

[erstad]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Should not be red, but orange. It's an indication of close to limit.

It's definitely red. Not that I'm overly stressed about it.

[Don Bowen]

Post a save

[Kull]

This is cross posted over from the "Glug, glug, glug, in the Aleutians AAR" in the event it's a bug (although I suspect it's WAD)"

I-175 ran out of fuel and has been limping home to Paramushiro. Fortunately I had a replenishment TF with a nearly full AO ready to go in the Paramushiro harbor, so two turns ago she was given the order to "rendevous with" I-175. And then never budged from port. After presenting the skipper with a colorful description of his family's near-certain descent from the slug branch of the evolutionary tree, he was tasked to travel to the same hex that I-175 would occupy on the next turn. And as you can see, there they are, side by side. And the sub TF is "unreplenishable"! Gah!!

I realize the IJN probably (?) didn't have an equivalent of the German u-boat "milch cow", but were subs never refueled at sea by merchants, capital ships, and/or tankers? Or is this a WAD to prevent the kind of gamey refueling tricks I failed to pull off earlier in the AAR?

[Kull]

When I talk about "gamey refueling tricks", this is one of them. Which didn't work. Again, I'm assuming this is WAD, not "Bug"?

Part Two in the ongoing duel between "Dastardly Developers and Gamey Player". Noticing that newly arrived I-5 has fuel galore and was sharing a hex with fuel-diminished I-35, I decided to combine them into one TF and pull the "Replenish TF at Sea" trick. Which doesn't work with Sub TFs! My feelings can basically be described as Grrrr! and Yesss!! at the same time.


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[Mynok]

Have you tried refueling it with an AS?

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: Mynok

Have you tried refueling it with an AS?

Hmmm. No, but I'll run that test shortly. FWIW, the AS will only go into a "Support" TF, not a "Replenishment", but it will load fuel so we'l see what comes of that.

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Sub Transport Missions

I noticed the Porpoise class subs can carry troops but, the Sargo, SeaDragon and others can't? All of them have a cargo rating but, no troop rating, which is correct?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: pad152

Sub Transport Missions

I noticed the Porpoise class subs can carry troops but, the Sargo, SeaDragon and others can't? All of them have a cargo rating but, no troop rating, which is correct?

Sorry, you're going to have to give me a bit more on this one...

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: Kull

ORIGINAL: Mynok

Have you tried refueling it with an AS?

Hmmm. No, but I'll run that test shortly. FWIW, the AS will only go into a "Support" TF, not a "Replenishment", but it will load fuel so we'll see what comes of that.

I used an earlier Save Game to see if the "Support" TF containing an AS (which in turn was carrying 370 Fuel) would refuel the Sub, and the answer is "No". I also tested to see if an AS could be coaxed into a Replenishment TF, and the answer to that was also "No".

[pad152]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: pad152

Sub Transport Missions

I noticed the Porpoise class subs can carry troops but, the Sargo, SeaDragon and others can't? All of them have a cargo rating but, no troop rating, which is correct?

Sorry, you're going to have to give me a bit more on this one...

Ok, lets try with pictures![:D]

Part 1

Here's an example with the USN Perch (Peach class), it's docked but it can't load troops, also there is another TF with another sub with a transport mission at the same port (Manila port size 5) that is loading troops. See part II next post.

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Part II

Same port, this is the other sub TF with a transport mission, USN Tarpon (shark class). Notice it is loading troops.

So the question is why can the Tarpon load troops and the Perch can't?

[Don Bowen]

Post your save, and I will take a look. Hurry please.

[pad152]

I refuel issue also

I had a surface group out of fuel, so I sent a couple of TK's (didn't have any Oilers) and set the TF's to meet, they met but could not refuel (no Oilers, no replenish mission, ok), so I combined both the Surface TF and the Tanker TF into one Escort TF but, I still can't refuel. It sure looks other ships can refuel from tankers in transport missions, so why can't ships refuel in an escort mission?

So your just SOL?  if your carrier or surface group runs out of fuel and you don't have any oilers, there are no oilers in the Indian Ocean.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: pad152

I refuel issue also

I had a surface group out of fuel, so I sent a couple of TK's (didn't have any Oilers) and set the TF's to meet, they met but could not refuel (no Oilers, no replenish mission, ok), so I combined both the Surface TF and the Tanker TF into one Escort TF but, I still can't refuel. It sure looks other ships can refuel from tankers in transport missions, so why can't ships refuel in an escort mission?

So your just SOL?  if your carrier or surface group runs out of fuel and you don't have any oilers, there are no oilers in the Indian Ocean.

I assume SOL means Slightly Out of Luck?

Tankers can not refuel from their fuel cargo at sea. Don't have the fittings.

All ships are allowed to refuel other ships underway from their own bunkers - which is non-historical but the ability could not be removed for playability reasons.

[pad152]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Post your save, and I will take a look. Hurry please.

Don

Can't upload a rar or zip file, how can I get it to you? It times out if I try to send it as a txt file.

I tried to PM you with an attachment and I get file too large!

I tried again and still get file too large, the file size is 4,063 KB (scen 27 + Save game file).