I noticed that a number of Jap Subs have an A/C capacity of one. I tried to base a seaplane on it, but no subs were listed as "transfer base to ship" even though there were eligible subs in port. Not that it's a huge deal, but I want to fly a seaplane off my sub, dammit!
Has anyone based a plane on a sub? If so, what did you do with it?
AC Capacity on Jap Subs
Q-Ball,
I thought that the capacity on IJN subs just represented their ability to carry troops/supplies in the game (even though some did have hangers built into the base of the conning tower historically).
Unless you get a 1 a/c (squadron?), can't see how you could do it. Maybe tie 12 subs together and practice formation moves?
I do admire your determination for trying though.
I thought that the capacity on IJN subs just represented their ability to carry troops/supplies in the game (even though some did have hangers built into the base of the conning tower historically).
Unless you get a 1 a/c (squadron?), can't see how you could do it. Maybe tie 12 subs together and practice formation moves?
I do admire your determination for trying though.
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Q-Ball,
A lot of the large "cruiser" subs had them for scouting purposes. Reports I've read indicated that, by the time of Midway, they were rarely used (sub was too vunerable when operating a/c). Hanger was sometimes removed and replaced by extra deck gun. Maybe Matrix will explain it (I'd put my money on capacity just being there to carry supplies etc).
A lot of the large "cruiser" subs had them for scouting purposes. Reports I've read indicated that, by the time of Midway, they were rarely used (sub was too vunerable when operating a/c). Hanger was sometimes removed and replaced by extra deck gun. Maybe Matrix will explain it (I'd put my money on capacity just being there to carry supplies etc).
Have no fear,
drink more beer.
drink more beer.
Drongo, you're probably right, but that's the confusing part. They have a capacity of "1", right where the cruisers and BB's have their A/C capacities. The CARGO capacity is listed in the main ship screen, and it's different, 46 points for most of the I-subs if memory serves (I don't have the game on right now). I've seen one picture of a IJN Sub with a submersible hanger on deck; it looked so ungainly, it had to cut down the subs manueverability and dive rate tremendously.
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Oleg Mastruko
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Yes but with the inclusion of aircraft it would be possible to reconnoitre so far behind enemy lines, which would be cool. Check out:
http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindie ... newar.html
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/japrecce/recce02.htm
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http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindie ... newar.html
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/japrecce/recce02.htm
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Oleg, great reference post! You're right, though that capability will be more important in WITP than UV, since an Emily based in Rabaul can recon the entire map anyway. I just wanted to play head games with my opponent, drop a couple bombs on Noumea, or just freak someone out with a seaplane appearing out of nowhere! But in reality, wouldn't make a huge difference in UV.
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they bombed america
this is cool i knew jap subs could operate aircraft but did not know it was modeled in the game.....in january of 42 a jap sub with a pilot his name escapes me he was in the book miracle at midway (great book btw) shot down six planes before the akagi gunners mistook him for american and shot him down he was rescued survived the war...anyway in jan of 42 he was sent on a mission to bomb oregon loaded with incindearies he bobmbed the forest of oregon in the hopes it would trigger a massive forest fire and take resources away from the war effort...now I remember reading this in the LA times many years ago other subs like this were sent in abortive raids to hit the locks at the panama canal...anyway my 2 cents.
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I don't think it is modeled in the game. The subs have an "capacity" in their data but no a/c come with the subs (they only have a capacity of one). I think it just represents cargo carrying ability (the subs are listed with a cargo capacity (not a/c capacity) on the individual ship screen). I agree it would be fun to have in the game.
The pilot who bombed the wooded, Oregon Coast was Warrant Officer Fujita, the same one who flew over Australian coastal cities in Oleg's second link (same sub, the I-25).
If you want more unneccessary information. The aircraft used was the tiny E14Y (Glen) which was about 1/2 the weight of the zero float fighter (Rufe). It was the only float plane in '42 that could operate from subs. It carried 2 men, max bomb load of 60kg (300kg if single crew) and had a recon range of about 550 miles (about 9 hexes (max) if it was in UV).
But wait, there's more. The IJN ordered the M6A (Seiran) in 1942 for use on the intended I-400 class subs. It was the first "attack" float plane ever built. The first prototype was ready in Nov '43 and the M6A started full production in Oct '44 (26 built in total). The I-400's could carry 3 each (ths smaller I-13 class, 2). The plane had a crew of 2, could carry almost 2000lb's of bomb's (or a torpedo) and had a range of about 750 miles (recon). It could be made ready to fly in 7 minutes. Now there's something that would be fun for WitP.
The M6A was the aircraft that was intended to attack the lock gates of the Panama Canal late in the war.
this is cool i knew jap subs could operate aircraft but did not know it was modeled in the game.....in january of 42 a jap sub with a pilot his name escapes me he was in the book miracle at midway (great book btw) shot down six planes before the akagi gunners mistook him for american and shot him down he was rescued survived the war...anyway in jan of 42 he was sent on a mission to bomb oregon loaded with incindearies he bobmbed the forest of oregon in the hopes it would trigger a massive forest fire and take resources away from the war effort
I don't think it is modeled in the game. The subs have an "capacity" in their data but no a/c come with the subs (they only have a capacity of one). I think it just represents cargo carrying ability (the subs are listed with a cargo capacity (not a/c capacity) on the individual ship screen). I agree it would be fun to have in the game.
The pilot who bombed the wooded, Oregon Coast was Warrant Officer Fujita, the same one who flew over Australian coastal cities in Oleg's second link (same sub, the I-25).
If you want more unneccessary information. The aircraft used was the tiny E14Y (Glen) which was about 1/2 the weight of the zero float fighter (Rufe). It was the only float plane in '42 that could operate from subs. It carried 2 men, max bomb load of 60kg (300kg if single crew) and had a recon range of about 550 miles (about 9 hexes (max) if it was in UV).
But wait, there's more. The IJN ordered the M6A (Seiran) in 1942 for use on the intended I-400 class subs. It was the first "attack" float plane ever built. The first prototype was ready in Nov '43 and the M6A started full production in Oct '44 (26 built in total). The I-400's could carry 3 each (ths smaller I-13 class, 2). The plane had a crew of 2, could carry almost 2000lb's of bomb's (or a torpedo) and had a range of about 750 miles (recon). It could be made ready to fly in 7 minutes. Now there's something that would be fun for WitP.
The M6A was the aircraft that was intended to attack the lock gates of the Panama Canal late in the war.
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drink more beer.
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They DO fly
The subs don't have any air groups assigned to them but if you edit the scenario and add airgroups to them they DO fly. I added some to a hypathetical scneario I made and I was getting sighting reports from them and they were flying missions. It was very cool. You can even set them on naval attack, but then you have no one to scout out the ships to attack. If you have two subs together you can set one to search and one to attack.
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DoomedMantis
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Was the pilot killed
He seems like a Japanese dare devil to me, and Japan didn't have too many of them. What happened to him. I know he was shot down but did he survive?
I wonder how well known he is in Japan?
DoomedMantis
I wonder how well known he is in Japan?
DoomedMantis
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IIRC the hanger were also used to transport supplies. The USA was bombed by a Japanese Float plane from one of these subs.Originally posted by Drongo
Q-Ball,
A lot of the large "cruiser" subs had them for scouting purposes. Reports I've read indicated that, by the time of Midway, they were rarely used (sub was too vunerable when operating a/c). Hanger was sometimes removed and replaced by extra deck gun. Maybe Matrix will explain it (I'd put my money on capacity just being there to carry supplies etc).
I created air groups with one plane in them and placed one group on each sub. The subs started out at sea and I kept them at sea so I don't know if the air groups would automatically grow oversize if you went into port. Probably would and then they wouldn't fly. Anyway, it was fun to use them.Originally posted by Drongo
Yamamoto,
Nice effort.
How many a/c were in the airgroup that you attached to each sub? Did they only have one ready a/c at any one time?
Yamamoto