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jrlans: That is the million dollar question on my mind too.

India is somewhat vulnerable though since some units start with low experince and poor equipment. It will slow going though here since the country has so many bases and he would be facing up terrain issues too.

To me Oz is the most likely target. for several reasons. As where the hammer would fall first, well most likely Darwin since it is hard to supply and he can support his operation with lba bombers after he seizes Timor. (I will go into greater detail below since Q-Ball asked the same question)

I think Perth is total disaster now since these off map bases give new opportunity to the allied player. Allthough it will be nuisance for sure. I'am moving Australian Cavalry units plus some AT weaponry there already.

Remenents: Thank you and welcome. Appreciated. (I think the others will feel the same)

Swenslim: Thank you. This stuff is time consuming so appreciate the words.

Rob: I have been keeping an eye on the pools. Allthough just checked and these monster battles have depleted my infantry reserves. Damn, there were plenty a month ago but those airstrikes, bombardments really do hurt the chinese alot.

I will revamp the whole replacement "system" here when the next turn arrives.

This really is the diffrence between disabled (casulaties) and destroyed category that I have been talking about. A lot of my losses have been in the destroyed category while his losses have disabled ones.

I have some 80 P40E's that I would love to use for AVG. The only BIG problem here is that I don't have +20 000 supplies even at Chungking so I'am unable to upgrade these squadrons! Annoying as ever.

Q-Ball: Thanks! I really appreciated. Your AAR is solid as ever too.

Yeah, "phase 2" has been on my mind a lot lately and here are the the danger zones in my opinion.

1. OZ

Darwin and northern coast is almost impossible to defend so I think he will land here once he completed his missions at Java and Timor area. He might be heading towards Perth too and that is why I'am sending reinforcements in this area. These are already enroute,

Another thing speaking for these landings are the allied fighter pools. He knows I cannot afford to send much into Oz this early. (I know he has calculated this since Dave does his homework)

Japanese annihilated the ANZAC cruisers so he has naval upperhand too. Allthough I have send the ABDA fleet into Oz since they would only get killed near Java and accomplish nothing.

2. New Zealand

An possible target and pretty much the same reasons as above.

Only big diffrence being that it will strech his frontlines even further so that kind of destroys quite a few benefits he would gain here.

3. Midway and Johnston Island

I think he will show up in these bases in some strenght. These bases might not seem important ones but they will give a) buffer zones for his rear areas and b) he can recon and keep some annoying torpedo planes here.

These two are likely targets.

4. Burma

The allied signit is already indicating that he is moving reinforcements here.

The thing he gains from this is to limit my offensive options later on when and if he seizes this country. He will not do this offensive for resources or such.

So I expected to see some divisions here very soon.

5. India

Not likely target but maybe he might try to seized some southern areas here.

If so I think Chittadong and Calcutta areas are most likely ones. I would say that these operations are tied down to how succesfull and swift campaign he executes at Burma.

Another good thing for him here is the fact that he does not need to commit his carriers. This is lba support operational area.

6. Southern Pacific

I expect to see something here. What it is, well hard to say I must admit. This is just an gut feeling I have though.

Another gut feeling is that the KB is parked here somewhere. It is waiting for something to happen since it ain't sailing around Java for sure.

7. Hawaji and Alaska

The least likely targets.

Alaska only gives him pride and some protection on possible B29's later on. Adding these in equation it kind of tells you that this is not worth it.

Hawaji! I know every japanese player would love to capture these islands. Not an high risk target though since I got a lot aircraft on standby and his carriers would suffer a lot of damage.

There are solid naval forces on standby too.

8. China

He is most definately not done with. As said he does his math and notices on how much infantry squads he has destroyed.

At least I expect to see more bomber squadrons deployed here for training purposes etc.

The activity around Changhsa area is intense and I bet it is not an decoy operations ongoing.

This my estimate on the realism and possible targets on the "2nd phase". Keep in mind that these are just well educated guesses and some gut feelings.

We shall see whether none of these were true.

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Samoa Islands (march 25th and 26th 1942)

This marks as the 1st allied invasion of the pacific war.

Dave has been building up airfield at Suvaii ever since the KB visited Pago Pago area.

Last turn an US Marine regiment started an amphibitous operation againts the enemy forces occupying base.

Even if this an small scale invasion you really need to start somewhere. Lets hope this will become the 1st succesfull assault of the war.

Fiji's and Pago Pago has significant forces of ground units plus they have strong fighter cover present.

I'am also building up the Christmas Island a bit further up north. Happy to say this is going along very nicely.

I have +400 av points, good supply levels and leaders in each of these bases and more are enroute.

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Java (march 25th and 26th 1942)

IJA troops continue to push forward. (see pic below)

The main news was that Dave moved an infantry unit between Tijitap and Batavia. Nice move and he is trying to cut off these bases.

Accordingly I'am ordering an retreat from Tijitap in order lift up this blockade.

ABDA bombers flew few missions but these were not succesfull ones. As you can also see he has moved out most of his transport ships from this region.

So, instead of setting my bombers into naval strikes and I have ordered them to start bombing enemy ground units. If we cannot sink ships than we might as well start bombing troops. Maybe this will slow their movement down a bit.

Allied signit indicated that Imperial Guards division is heading towards Java.

Enemy carriers and battleships remain some 100 miles offshore of Soerebaja. This is NOT the KB itself though.

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Hm, I guess he will not like this invasion, so wait for Fiji japan invasion.
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Great AAR! Really enjoying it! Keep it up! Thanks for taking the time! [:D]
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If he invades NZ, you'll get some strong units as reinforcement, mainy NZ Division and IIRC some other units.
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aztez, you and seydlitz both have AAR´s running which i only can compliment on! [&o]

its a fascinating read and very educative.
im atm running a witp against the AI to gear up for the challange of AE and enjoying it tremendousely.
i always wondered if there ever will be a game that gets my braincells working like witp still does and well...i guess AE will
be the one.

i think you are doing very well (never forget that those 2 CV´s could already have shifted the weight a bit in your favour
if they werent on the bottom of the pacific)

which brings me to my question:

i see you got 3 carriers ready to use, which, by itself wont be a match for the KB but 3
big US carriers can hurt an invasion TF very bad.
2-3 days of combat operations near a japanese beachhead often means irreplacable losses for the jap player
without exposing you CV TF´s too long to give the KB chance to react.

as your offensive options are limited at the moment i was thinking if you could use them in a kind of semi-defensive
way, deploying them forward out of japanese naval search range but near an expected route of advance.

as things are now they seem to be sitting around and their only effect is to keep your opponent guessing (which
is good in itself but wont make him lose much sleep as long as he keeps KB together)

i know its way too early to be a match against a japanese CV TF. so you could use em on low risc missions in
central pacific for example.
with this you could accomplish 2 things:
- without detection you have an asset to strike at a line of advance of your choosing when the situation seems
right
- if your carriers are detected by something like a lucky sub you still have a desireable effect. its a threat for his
supply routes and/or offensive planning so at least he has to react with (at least a part of) the KB to minimize it.

as the new AE a2a combat seems to make it possible for even a smaller strike to survive the CAP even a clash of carriers
could be dangerous for the japanese side. remember he cant replace his CV losses the way you can (im in no way implying
you should force such an engagement [;)] )

at least this could give you one important option: grabbing the initiative from him in an area where you have
assets.

keep up the good fight! its a better read than some of the books i finished lately...

LoBaron

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Swenslim: That is an possibility. I say let him come. Actually I have now ordered 2 RN carriers + CVL Hermes into Cape Town. These ships will move into pacific theatre thus adding to my carrier power here.

I can protect India with lba fighters and surface fleet vessels.

Within 2 months I can muster 4 US carriers, 3 RN carriers and CVL Hermes. That force carries a punch. Add those new battleships and we are ready to rock againts KB itself.

Tanaka: Thank you! I will do just that.

Sardaukar: That's good information and weights on the 2nd phase of operations. I missed that part on the manual. I know I get extra troops if he invades southern oz or moves towards norhern india.

Checked the ground reinforcements and I will be getting a lot of british/indian troops within next 6 days. These will be deployed around Dacca, Chittadong and Calcutta.

LoBaron: Thank you and welcome to the thread.

I still do remember the 1st time I loaded up witp. At first I was ready to give up since I'am really not that much into hex wargames before. I stick to it and started "foolishly" my first PBEM againts Vorsteher (later he was replaced by FDR) ... and well rest is history as they say.

Actually I'am thinking to that effect myself. That is why RN carriers are heading into Pacific to join up with US ones. As said above I can muster total of 7 CV's and 1 CVL within next two months. That is an power that I feel can crush even the KB. If opportunity rises and I'am able to add some lba fighters + bombers into that mix than... well we might achieve a great victory.

Having said all this I must say that I need to be careful though since we are playing with NO respawn (it is an standard on gc scenario and we haven't edited this option) rule.

The iniative is important. It is not much so vs AI but againts an human opponent its an diffrent story. I learned that in my previous PBEM's with witp. I guess the master in this department would be Nemo since his psychological warfare can throw anyone out of balance.

We will do fight for it most definately. Don't worry about typos since It happens a lot to me too.
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China (march 27th and 28th 1942)


It became quite obvious what the constant ground bombardments and airstrikes meant.

Dave moved an blocking unit north of this hex and has now encircled the chinese army. I have some 1300av trapped.

Well, I have moved strong unit to intercept this "blocking" unit and expect this to be moved swiftly.

Another thing that I have now decieded is to start assaulting his forces occupying the entrapped hex. If you look back at the previous posting and check the rifle squad pools than it is quite obvious that I can sacrifice these troops if needed.

After realizing that it is much obvious that I want to inflict maxium damage to Dave so what is an better way to do this than start hammering his troops. I doubt these are well supplied either. These troops are actually expendable so let the battles begin,

I changed the Chungking supply needed to 21 000 supply points. At the moment there some 9000 piled up. If this is succesfull than we can upgrade some +70 AVG planes into P40E's and start our aircampaign here.

In the further up north 3 enemy tank regiments finally captured Kiuchuan. This was expected and we need to deal with this a bit later on.

Another good news is that my reinforcements are getting towards Sian quite nicely now since the roads are better. After this I can shuffle my troops around.

I changed quite a few replacements "on" units last turn. The key factor on these were the unit experience levels.

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Burma (march 27th and 28th 1942)

The IJA infantry division overrun the base at Magwe. This was not an suprise at all.

It seems that the main push is coming through Meikhta though since 8 enemy untis popped up in the base last turn.

I have withdrawn my infantry into Mandalay but considering the option to move them into Schwebo and finally into Myithkina. This is kind of 50/50% decision since I really don't want them to get routed too early.

That decision time is when next turn arrives.

Allied recon spotted some transports unloading at Rangoon. No information on the troop strenghts though.

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Java (march 27th and 28th 1942)


The battle continues here. ABDA bombers flew mostly ground offensives here and managed to damage an IJA infantry division here. The casualty levels were not high but at least we hit something which is better than nothing.

ABDA bombers also flew againts BB Mutsu and BB Nagato near Soerabaja. Unfortunately the ships AA along with lba cap proved too much. The combat report indicates no hits made.

We were unlucky with submarines too. The allied submarines made assaults in this region and launched 16 torpedoes. No enemy ships reported hit though.

Japanese bombers are conducting heavy raids againts Bandoeng, Batavia and Soerabaja. These assaults are large scale operations.

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ORIGINAL: aztez

I still do remember the 1st time I loaded up witp. At first I was ready to give up since I'am really not that much into hex wargames before. I stick to it and started "foolishly" my first PBEM againts Vorsteher (later he was replaced by FDR) ... and well rest is history as they say.

i know that feeling. on a first glimpse all those possibilities and detail were a frightening view. even as an UV "vet" - witp raised the complexity of the game that it felt like learning everything from scratch.
UV really looks like a tactical RBS compared to this monster.
Actually I'am thinking to that effect myself. That is why RN carriers are heading into Pacific to join up with US ones. As said above I can muster total of 7 CV's and 1 CVL within next two months. That is an power that I feel can crush even the KB. If opportunity rises and I'am able to add some lba fighters + bombers into that mix than... well we might achieve a great victory.

Having said all this I must say that I need to be careful though since we are playing with NO respawn (it is an standard on gc scenario and we haven't edited this option) rule.

oh i did not know there was such a thing like a no respawn option in AE.
anyways 7CV´s are a mighty force. how do you move the British CV´s? to australia and then in a loop via fiji to PH?

this is just farfetched theory but it may be possible to show him a smaller part of your CV TF so he sends the KB out hunting?
im sure he didnt forget that he sunk your carriers, maybe he is not aware that you already are able to assemble such a strike force.

waiting to break up a large invasion where he uses the KB as protective screen might be another option but since the airstrikes then might
split up between the japanese CV´s and any invasion TF´s nearby theres an increased risk that he hast more planes to strike your flattops than you.
or ist this something that AE treats differently than stock?

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Rob: I have been keeping an eye on the pools. Allthough just checked and these monster battles have depleted my infantry reserves. Damn, there were plenty a month ago but those airstrikes, bombardments really do hurt the chinese alot.

I will revamp the whole replacement "system" here when the next turn arrives.

This really is the diffrence between disabled (casulaties) and destroyed category that I have been talking about. A lot of my losses have been in the destroyed category while his losses have disabled ones.

I have some 80 P40E's that I would love to use for AVG. The only BIG problem here is that I don't have +20 000 supplies even at Chungking so I'am unable to upgrade these squadrons! Annoying as ever.

You can fly them to ledo via some size 3 NW chinese base (cant remember the name off hand) then upgrade using commonwealth supplies. And i was wrong on the chinese P40's they arrive 12/42 , its the lancers in 4/42 and a20's follow on soon. but i cant see the lancer being much of an improvement over the exisiting flying rubbish the chinese operate D . AVG will upgrade to P40's peoviding spares for the other sqds.

RE casualties v disblements , yeah , thats why i mentioned it .. lost a lot in my game vs the AI , though not on your scale :D and the replacemenst are all to easily eaten up by the endless less than 100% chinese Divs and Corps. Best to really make sure that they go where needed else its a tiny bit everywhere that does you no good whatsoever.

I just had a thought (rare) , to save supply in china try and move the chinese bombers (fighters wont have the range) to india for a v long training schedule. bomber training seems to gobble up supply quite fast.

LoBaron , i think its a bit early to go KB hunting, one bad die roll and the entire allied CV forces are history till 43/4 , far too much to lose on a gamble imo. although i agree on the anti invasion duty if KB isnt covering it.
sorry for the spelling . English is my main language , I just can't type . and i'm too lazy to edit :)
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By chance, there was a post on forum, telling what extra troops you get released if IJ player invades certain areas (I added some comments):

these are units you don't get normally
us invasion
1x arm div
2x mot div
1x inf div
2x tank bde

india
5x inf div
1x arm div

australia
2x inf div
1x arm bde
1x para bde
1x AA bde
1x inf bde
1x arm/cav regt

NZ
1x INF DIV
(this is the veteran NZ division from Europe, should be at least as good as  6th and 7th AUS Div)
3x inf bde
2x tank bde
1x cav regt
1x inf bn


IIRC, by AndyMac, NZ Div will arrive either in Aden or Cape Town. These are extra troops you get, I am not sure if other reinforcements are also accelerated like in WitP.
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Looking over your analysis on longer term Japanese targets, I was reminded of something I was wondering about earlier. An invasion of PH in the original WITP was certainly a huge challenge, in fact I have only seen it attempted twice in PBEMs.

What really struck me when looking at the new PH defences though, is that the number of CD guns there is huge!

There must be around 30+ guns over 10-12 in, and something like 40 155mm guns. Try invading against that!

Add that to the restrictions on carrier ordinance, and the sheer number of aircraft at Pearl Harbor, slow beach unloading, and well.... everything else.... and it seems completely impossible.
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Looking over your analysis on longer term Japanese targets, I was reminded of something I was wondering about earlier. An invasion of PH in the original WITP was certainly a huge challenge, in fact I have only seen it attempted twice in PBEMs.

What really struck me when looking at the new PH defences though, is that the number of CD guns there is huge!

There must be around 30+ guns over 10-12 in, and something like 40 155mm guns. Try invading against that!

Add that to the restrictions on carrier ordinance, and the sheer number of aircraft at Pearl Harbor, slow beach unloading, and well.... everything else.... and it seems completely impossible.

looks daunting.. but i dont see how it couldn't be possible in real life.. there must be a way to invade a stupid island lol is it that much harder than iwo jima?
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If somebody wants to invade Perl Harbor, he must do it at first month of the game, and I think it quite possible. Of course it will cost you very much but with luck it can be completed. I think to accomplish it would be enough 3 free divisions on Islands - 33, 4, and and more(I dont remember number), 5-6 BB, all CV's.
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LoBaron: I never played an UV before I jumped into witp. It certainly looks like a very small scenario when you compare it to AE or even witp.

The no respawn is standard option in AE so if you want to change before you jump into GC than this needs to be done via editor.

Decoying KB is an possibility but it is very risky business. Those RN carriers are enroute to Cape Town and than to pacific. The only viable situation I see when it worth of committing carriers is when I can bring in lba support. With that.. well I think it might work without it too risky.

You cannot control whether the ac's target to transports or carriers so that is still an high risk move. The carrier force game that I'am beta testing is diffrent story than again it is completely diffent game too.

Rob: Hmmm, intresting and don't be too modest you do have ideas! I'am moving those squadrons into quick visit to India. We shall soon have some 80 operational P40E's patrolling the skies above china.

I didn't know those bombers eat up a lot supplies when training. If so it might be worth moving them out too since they don't do too much good at the moment.

Absolutely golden advice regarding chinese replacements.

Sardaukar: Thanks. That clarifies a lot of things. These actual reinforcements were kind of mystery at least to me.

This is an vast improvement over witp to my opinion.

Those figures kind of spells that the northern oz sector is definately an target. Also confirms that my decision to move RN carriers out towards pacific was an right thing to do under these circumtances.

Xxzard: I also read few AAR's where the invasion of Hawaji was done. I personally think it is doable in AE too but you need to advance towards immediately.

At the moment taking those CD guns, reinforcements in terms of ground and air units into consideration I think it is an suicide mission.

The IJN carriers would propably sunk within few days and leaving the transports to suffer the mayhem.

krupp_88mm: Nice pic. Personally I love those CD guns and they kind of make Bataan ones look like piece of cake... and those ones already sunk BB Ise near Luzon.

Swenslim: I kind of agree that Hawaji offensive is doable from the start and It brings in a lot of benefits. As you stated though it must be done immediately.

I'am in no doubt that we will see some PBEM games where this is actually done.
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Java (march 29th and 30th 1942)


Dave is continuing is two headed push towards Batavia and Soerebaja.

Japanese airpower conducted heavy offensives againts Badoeng and thus closed down the airfield in this region.

I'am moving my infantry units from Badoeng into Batavia. The terrain is good but those units would be isolated soon if not moved out.

The base at Tjilitjap is next to fall. I have ordered an counterstrike 40 miles north of this city. No guarantees that this will actually work out.

The main advance is definately coming through northern shores of Java. It seems that the assault on Soerebaja will commence within next 2 turns.

I did withdraw a lot depleted ABDA air units last turn. They have battered badly.

Personally I think those banshee divebombers plus some P40E's would have made an impact. This is definately an hindsight thought but I strongly believe so now.

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China (march 29th and 30th 1942)


The encirclement is complete near Sian. We did try to push those Japanese units out but the operation was unsuccesfull.

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Ground combat at 85,43

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 55587 troops, 291 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1218

Defending force 23185 troops, 145 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 635

Allied adjusted assault: 45

Japanese adjusted defense: 532

Allied assault odds: 1 to 11

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1479 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 89 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 79 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Vehicles lost 55 (1 destroyed, 54 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1992 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 136 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 113 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled


Assaulting units:
96th Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
47th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese/C Corps
1st War Area
36th Group Army
14th Group Army
Jingcha War Area
4th Chinese Base Force
8th Group Army
10th Chinese Base Force

Defending units:
15th Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th Mongol Cavalry Division
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th Armored Car Co
59th Infantry Brigade
28th Engineer Regiment
15th RGC Temp. Division
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

...but in the next day Dave conducted an bombardment assault here. Notice the the potential av value that nearly doubled now.

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Ground combat at 85,43

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 20339 troops, 142 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 1245

Defending force 58358 troops, 290 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1117


Allied ground losses:
302 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Assaulting units:
110th Division
15th Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th Armored Car Co
9th Armored Car Co
59th Infantry Brigade
28th Engineer Regiment
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
24th NCPC Route Brigade
51st Recon Regiment
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th Mongol Cavalry Division
15th RGC Temp. Division
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
61st Chinese Corps
47th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese/C Corps
4th Chinese Base Force
14th Group Army
1st War Area
8th Group Army
36th Group Army
Jingcha War Area
10th Chinese Base Force

These troops can soon be written off. It is not an total disaster since the replacement pools are not in good shape anyways. I get these units back in 1/3 of strenght within a month or so once they are annihilated.

Japanese conducted heavy raids againts Changhsa and Sian area. I have now started moving AVG squadrons into India in order to equip these pilots with P40E's fighters.

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