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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Samoa Islands (march 29th and 30th 1942)


We concluded the amphibious operations at Savaii. The base was seized on the 30th of march by 7th Marine Defense batallion.

This was not an large scale operation but as said the first allied offensive of the war.

There also was an raid of some +30 Bettys flying out of Noumea. The target was our transports unloading at Suva.

The good thing is that none of the ships were hit and we shot down +10 Betty bombers. Nice going by those US pilots defending the base.

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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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3. Midway and Johnston Island

I think he will show up in these bases in some strenght. These bases might not seem important ones but they will give a) buffer zones for his rear areas and b) he can recon and keep some annoying torpedo planes here.

These two are likely targets.

Your opponent cannot use it as a Betty base unless he is willing to station one of his Air HQ's there. The Pacific atolls do not have the same value for the Japanese in the AE as they had in WITP.
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Can you post a world map view?

thanks!
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Not so sure it should be done even if it can. This is a different game from WITP and the Japanese supply and shipping situation is much more limited. The loss of Pearl would be a sore point for the Allies but the costs to Japan would be prohibitive and the costs of keeping the base could cause Japan to lose out in some of the more important campaigns due to lack of resources. Biggest problem is that holding Pearl really opens up an opportunity for the Allied carriers. They can interdict shipping to Pearl and force Japan to keep KB in the Central Pacific as a counter measure. Probem is, Japan needs KB elsewhere to suport campaigns in the South West Pacific or India. If held by Japan-and American carriers are intact then Pearl becomes the "Tar Baby" for Japan, sucking up troops, supplies and shipping.

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If somebody wants to invade Perl Harbor, he must do it at first month of the game, and I think it quite possible. Of course it will cost you very much but with luck it can be completed. I think to accomplish it would be enough 3 free divisions on Islands - 33, 4, and and more(I dont remember number), 5-6 BB, all CV's.
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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3. Midway and Johnston Island

I think he will show up in these bases in some strenght. These bases might not seem important ones but they will give a) buffer zones for his rear areas and b) he can recon and keep some annoying torpedo planes here.

These two are likely targets.

Your opponent cannot use it as a Betty base unless he is willing to station one of his Air HQ's there. The Pacific atolls do not have the same value for the Japanese in the AE as they had in WITP.


Not sure off hand about johnson but Midway is a lvl 4 AF at game start so japan can definately use it as a torpedo bomber base if he has enough supplies (unless im getting the lvl 4 confused over old WITP stats) . not sure he will need an HQ for lvl 4 , deffo for a lvl 2 mind you and very vulnerable to counter attack on an atoll. Im huessing those Japanese air hqs are very valuable for him.

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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Not sure off hand about johnson but Midway is a lvl 4 AF at game start so japan can definately use it as a torpedo bomber base if he has enough supplies (unless im getting the lvl 4 confused over old WITP stats) . not sure he will need an HQ for lvl 4 , deffo for a lvl 2 mind you and very vulnerable to counter attack on an atoll. Im huessing those Japanese air hqs are very valuable for him.

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"Absolutely golden advice regarding chinese replacements." /blush [;)]


As I understand the mechanic regarding Air HQs and torps, an Air Hq must be in range and the unit assigned to the proper HQ for it to use torps even if there is suffcient supply and a large enough AF. This makes the small attols with low troop garisons significantly less valuable for the Japanese. The real question and I am sure its gamey, is can you put and Air HQ fragment and have it function as if it were a the parent unit.

However, I would still expect an attack either or both islands. They are great scouting bases and can effectivly wall off cent pac from any "sneak" invasions.
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Not sure off hand about johnson but Midway is a lvl 4 AF at game start so japan can definately use it as a torpedo bomber base if he has enough supplies (unless im getting the lvl 4 confused over old WITP stats) . not sure he will need an HQ for lvl 4 , deffo for a lvl 2 mind you and very vulnerable to counter attack on an atoll. Im huessing those Japanese air hqs are very valuable for him.

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"Absolutely golden advice regarding chinese replacements." /blush [;)]


As I understand the mechanic regarding Air HQs and torps, an Air Hq must be in range and the unit assigned to the proper HQ for it to use torps even if there is suffcient supply and a large enough AF. This makes the small attols with low troop garisons significantly less valuable for the Japanese. The real question and I am sure its gamey, is can you put and Air HQ fragment and have it function as if it were a the parent unit.

However, I would still expect an attack either or both islands. They are great scouting bases and can effectivly wall off cent pac from any "sneak" invasions.

Looks like im carrying over baggege from WITP then , i do remember seeing a thread re the fragment option for torp supply and iirc andy sstated that ONLY the combined HQ or fragment /1 would allow it. So i believe its not exploitable afaik.
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Could you post a pic of ship and aircraft sunk/lost? And maybe a world map? Would help get a big picture of whats going on. :)
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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First. I do Appreciate the intresting debates/feedback guys. Good stuff.

I'am suffering the 1st flu of forthcoming winter season. Hopefully it will ease up overnight since I'am getting my daughters to stay with me over the weekend.

Here are few answers and comments. I do not have turn yet so expect the monthly update to be posted tomorrow.


Kereguelen: In a way yes and In a way no. I think some atolls are valuable even if they serve as recon base in frontlines.

I think Midway is an such an base and Johnston Island not far behind.

Dave has already proven how effective it is to blockade the recon missions. His carriers and transports have showed up unexpected few times already. Also I have had couple of lucky submarine sightings too.

Yamamoto_Blitzer: No problems. I will post the world map view when the next turn arrives. It is also time for the monthly recap of losses so far.

crsutton: Hmmm. I think it actually might still be worth the assault if you can capture it by end of january 1942. If not than it becomes more problematic.

If Hawaji is lost than the allied player must keep units at wc. If he loses his carriers defending the islands and his battleship row is sunk than you have bought yourself time and also kind of putting up an blockade towards south pacific.

Intresting to see whether someone will actually try to do this. I think it is beneficial in longterm even if the japanese can't hold it forever.

Thankfully he chose not to do so. I have headaches to last a lifetime already. I wouldn't want to think that I would lost Hawaji too in the opening months.

Rob: No need to blush! Yeah, what I have read those seem very valuable HQ's indeed. Maybe those bases are not that valuable but ie. divebombers do not use torpedoes so it could be nasty place to counterstrike.

Another great value is the recon factor. This has changed a lot from the old witp. It is way more important now.

That is my take on those things. I do hope that you are correct about those fragmented Air HQ's not working.

jrlans: I do agree. One key element is scouting/recon. If I had better recon in place at Noumea we would not have lost bulk of the ANZAC fleet.

On the other hand our recon saved a lot of troops in Suva when we got an "early" warning and had chance to react.

Hopefully those fragments wohn't work or we have some serious issues rising up. With Betty range as long as it is they could hit ships far away. I really cannot provide aircover for every single TF that is sailing around.

I actually already had an look at Marshall Islands. Well, with an well placed HQ it could become quite an stronghold.

Remenents: No problem at all. I will post those screenies along with the monthly update when I have recieved the turn.

The japanese empire is already vast as you will see when next update is posted. Keep in mind that FOW factor is on so the ships / aircraft losses are not written into stone.
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Have a nice weekend aztez!
 
how do you interprete the japanese attack on savaii?
 
i see a potentially dangerous situation arising.
if this was not just a lucky try but an attack to path the way open for an invasion of suva i think id do something similar. "encircling" the fijis to
prevent reinforcements and then hit with a large invasion force.
if you lose fiji this adds to the loss of noumea and could result in a total isolation of australia.
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RE: March 1942 begins... Japanese push forward...

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Have a nice weekend aztez!

how do you interprete the japanese attack on savaii?

i see a potentially dangerous situation arising.
if this was not just a lucky try but an attack to path the way open for an invasion of suva i think id do something similar. "encircling" the fijis to
prevent reinforcements and then hit with a large invasion force.
if you lose fiji this adds to the loss of noumea and could result in a total isolation of australia.

Thank you. These weekends are the ones that mean most to me. Already had an very nice evening back here.

Now that the little ones are at sleep had time update this thread.

I think your situation analysis is definately on to something. Check the monthly and turn reports for more details.
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April 1942 in this war...

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Java (March 31st - April 1st 1942)

Nothing significant happened in past two days.

There are steady progress made by the japanese army.

Only significant note here is that Dave seems to have withdrawn his carriers and battleships. The disappearence might also be related to poor recon capabilities now. The japanese bombing runs are starting to take toll in this region.

I have some 750av of troops in Batavia and 600av placed in Soerabaja. Both bases have almost level 4 forts.

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China (March 31st - April 1st 1942)

As suggested the AVG squadrons are temporarily moved into India for upgrades and refit. This is simply because it seems I cannot muster 20 000 supply points currently in any single base in China.

The japanese launched two ground offensives againts the "pocket" near Sian. As expected the losses were horrific.

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Ground combat at 85,43

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43771 troops, 281 guns, 166 vehicles, Assault Value = 1254

Defending force 57929 troops, 288 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1111

Japanese adjusted assault: 611

Allied adjusted defense: 172

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2322 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 160 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 107 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Vehicles lost 45 (33 destroyed, 12 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
3417 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 183 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 91 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled


Assaulting units:
51st Recon Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
15th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
24th NCPC Route Brigade
5th Mongol Cavalry Division
28th Engineer Regiment
59th Infantry Brigade
9th Armored Car Co
110th Division
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
15th RGC Temp. Division
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
96th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
47th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese/C Corps
Jingcha War Area
4th Chinese Base Force
1st War Area
8th Group Army
36th Group Army
14th Group Army
10th Chinese Base Force

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Ground combat at 85,43

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41783 troops, 281 guns, 148 vehicles, Assault Value = 1127

Defending force 55487 troops, 287 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 973

Japanese adjusted assault: 306

Allied adjusted defense: 163

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1688 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 84 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 41 (24 destroyed, 17 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
3665 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 171 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 221 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled


Assaulting units:
51st Recon Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
110th Division
15th Ind.Mixed Brigade
59th Infantry Brigade
24th NCPC Route Brigade
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Armored Car Co
5th Mongol Cavalry Division
28th Engineer Regiment
15th RGC Temp. Division
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
61st Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
47th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese/C Corps
4th Chinese Base Force
14th Group Army
Jingcha War Area
36th Group Army
8th Group Army
1st War Area
10th Chinese Base Force

At least we are inflicting some casualties againts the stronger enemy here. You need to look at the bright side of things even at the darkerst hours.

The good news of the turn came from north of Lanchow. There two tank regiments were forced to retreat.

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Ground combat at 81,33

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15273 troops, 141 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 484

Defending force 2676 troops, 0 guns, 284 vehicles, Assault Value = 157

Allied adjusted assault: 254

Japanese adjusted defense: 118

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 99 (56 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Units retreated 2


Allied ground losses:
146 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
56th Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese/A Corps

Defending units:
23rd Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment

Another bunch of armour destroyed or disabled. I wonder how much of these tanks he really has here. There are additional 3 tank regiments furhert up in the north raiding.

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Burma (March 31st - April 1st 1942)

This battlefield is heating for sure. RAF recon indicates that there are now 13 enemy units at Mandalay.

You don't need to be an einstein to figure that next turn shall see the 1st assault againts the base.

I think he can have maybe around 1500av worth of troops here. I'am shocked if he has brought in more.

The decision whether to start falling back towards Myithkina will be made after the next turn.

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Samoa Islands (March 31st - April 1st 1942)

The US marines wiped out the remaining japanese resistance at Savoaii.

By looking at the pic I think Dave might have tried to evac some of those troops via submarines.

The most disturbing news however came in the Allied Signit report:

"9/4th Division is planning for an attack on Pago Pago."

This intel news caused some grave concerns in Allied HQ.

I wonder whether Dave actually reads these reports too. To me these signit reports really should be ALLIED ONLY stuff but I think it is visible for him too.

This was one my main gripes in the old witp and remains to be such in the AE too.

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The "world map"...

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The intel screen...

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The aircraft losses...

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Allied ship losses...

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Japanese ship losses...

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