joliverlay vers guctony testing production

[joliverlay]

OK

I'm going to see if I can stop the mass conversion of factories to TA152s by bombing the socks of of Guctony. He can put TA152cs in production in 3-5 months using massive factory re-tooling. My theory is he is vulneralbe while his factories are not producing.

I'm going to try to prove that. Problem is....I don't play Allied much.

Here is my plan.

1. Bomb Engine Factorys every way possible.
2. Bomb Parts and Airframes after that.
3. Escort my Bombers
4. Escort my Bombers more.

Turn 1.
The 8th Hits Engine Factorys near Paris with Heavies
The Mediums in the UK hit aircraft related sites near Amsterdam and Paris.
Bomber Command Hits Factorys in SE France
(I wish I knew what I was doing.)
The 12 will send Heavies to the Engine Factory near Naples after some diversions.

Ive got fighters on close escort, and running top cover.

Im not doing much with sweeps or radar. Actually, if he is going to convert 1/2 of his production to research for 3-4 months...I'm ready for a fight.

[wernerpruckner]

Use BC for deep raids in Germany!

[guctony]

hello And Good luck.

I am not going in to this tread for 20-30 turns so not to see What joliverlay plans daily so he can make effective suprise moves.

But I am opening a sister Treat until we merge at Turn 30. He can look after my writings. I am planning to discuss some of my tactics openly. To simulate Enigma-Ultra and the greater effect of information services of Allies.

[joliverlay]

Results for turn 1.

(see attached files)

49 Allied losses (1B17) 24 Axis losses (8 German + 7 German Training)

Results

Engine Factory Damage: Hispano-Suiza 99%
Pornigiano d"Arco 12%

Parts Factory Damage: Amsterdam 6%
Morane-Saulnier 34%
Stampeet-Vertongen 12%

If I really did level the Hispano Engine Factory that represents a good start.
I did not attrit his forces much, but I lost on 1 B17. I'm going to attrit him using my mediums and fighters while I preserve the heavies. The when I do use the heavies deep the use will be truely massive and they will be trained. I'm hoping to wear him down

[wernerpruckner]

Also....no real losses [:D] - try to wear his forces down......use the Tiffies for A/F attacks......sweep.....and more a/f attacks with the medium bombers.......get him to move his forces around.....use the 8th to weaken his forces near the Ruhr and Bremen.......
Ignore the Avalanche political targetting for your heavies in Italy.......attack the sites in Austria......

[Hard Sarge]

he shouldn't be locked in yet, it will be a little bit before the manatory kicks in

[joliverlay]

I'm actually a bit timid about going deep and getting my forces mauled.

This turn (2) allied losses 32 (5 B17) to 22 axis (No german except 8 training pilots).

The reason for the Italian losses is mostly their apperance in France!

My bombing did the following:

EFCF Pornigliano dArco Damage 68%
CFAF Caudron-Renault Damage 10%
AFAC Porngliano_Macchi Damage 4%

Ive plotted turn 3 already to hit factorys in Italy and France again.

After Avalance all the Italian forces in France will disappear.

Do you really think I should go deep this early? I was going to wait until after Italy surrenders.

[joliverlay]

Another Turn.

I don't have the status in front of me but wanted to post this.

I'm deliberately keeping my raids close to the coast. I manually plot bombing runs and use the AI to plot recon and sweep missions.

This last turn (3) I got killed losing 37 of 48 B26s on a raid to the Ruhr. Problem is, I did not plot a raid to the Ruhr. Perhaps my AI recon and sweep raids inadverntaly produced this raid as well. Has anyone else seen this.

[joliverlay]

Turn 5. I'm starting to get the loss ratio under control.


This time it was something like 90 allied to 80 axis (approximately).

I sent to bombing raids against airfields north of the Ruhr. The deeper one went to Steenwijk (heavies) and the other two went to Steenwijk (mediums) and Deelen (fighters/fighter bombers). He is comming up to defend his airfields, and my B17s when properly escorted are killing machines. The fighter bombing raid was also very effective.

A couple of things of note.

1. He is not defending Italy much. I've started bombing the AC/Eng/Parts factories in N. Italy.

2. He seems to have moved 80-90% of the Italian AF to France. Even when I raid airfields in Holland/Netherlands near the Ruhr I'm fighting mostly Italians. Since he has stopped producing many AC to retool production, he is avoiding combat. I will plot some B17 Raids to the Ruhr and Bremen staying within fighter cover and take out something related to Aircraft production while the Luftwaffe is on holiday.

On a side note....the replay is not working so I can't see his aircraft on the replay. (They use the same symbols as mine!).

[joliverlay]

The bombing reports....

[joliverlay]

Sorry, I'm having problems with this forum stuff....trying again.

[Hard Sarge]

Hammer while you can, those It's will just be cannon fodder for most of your units and they will gain exp for the real fight later

southwest France, is a number of 190 F production sites, most people miss them, it is a deep raid, but mostly not covered if you head there across from Beast

if he is not defending Italy, clean up, the Med bombers will take out factories, pretty good, with out being attacked, but you will lose some to Flak

keep a eye out to see if he moved any of the Romy or Bugs out of the area, there will be a number of sites of they type he wants in there homeland

(so he should be protecting them)

[joliverlay]

My not so deep raid was to deep. It was slaughtered. I lost 1/4 of the force. I consider this my Black Thursday. Time to rethink my plans. Got thing I had almost no B17 losses on the prior turns.

This was plotted before your suggestion HARD Sarge. I've changed tactics. Now that I know where he has units based I picked 3 airfields. I will hit each at 6:00 am, 6:30 am, 7:00 am, and 7:30 am. the follow ups will get a chance to get someone landing or engage the interceptors attacking my returning aircraft.

The raids are close to the French Coast so my fighters will get some combat time.

In Italy I've been ordered to Avalanch support.

[joliverlay]

Here is the combat report.

[joliverlay]

It is clear the patch was absolutely necessary. On day 29 of the 1943 campaign I shot down a TA-152C. My opponent has 190 planes in production. He moved ALL Axis aircraft to France and grounded the Germans until Italy Surrendered. After the surrender of the Italians he refused combat unless I ventured to the Ruhr. I did a couple of major raids to the Ruhr to try to atrit his airforce, figuring he had shut down most of his production to change over. My calculations suggest he must have retooled about 163? factories (2 point units) to convert by day 21 and about 27? (1 point factories) to convert by day 10. This would produce 190 factories total and give 1600? research points in 28 days. I'll have to count the numbers of 1 and 2 point factories. I wondering if the model is fudging somehow with the partial months or some other factor. It may be that the formula is simply broken, it does not seem right to move something from 1/45 to 9/43. Hardly enought time to retool and also produce the research airframes!