Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)

[seydlitz_slith]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

hi seydlitz!

congrats to this unconvential strategy. [:)] im really looking forward
how this developes.

how much effect does the winter have on your advance?
would it make sense to slow the op tempo till the temperature and
weather gets better or does dely only make the russians stronger?

Winter increases ops losses on the ground and in the air. It also sets up many situations where some or all of your aircraft do not fly. Very bad if your fighters do not fly due to weather but your bombers do....right into the enemy cap. Ships also take significantly more system and engine damage.

I opted to go at game start since waiting only allows the allied player to increase fortification levels, training, and prep levels for the soviets. Also, the sooner you start the fight, the sooner it will be over and I can use the units elsewhere.

Theoretically, you can also use more of your obsolete army aircraft in Russia with better chances of success. In practice the Russians seem to do very well in those biplanes.

[seydlitz_slith]

Turn 45 20 Jan 42

Very quick summary.

Clark Field fell to my forces and Mark's troops have retreated to Bataan for their last stand.

In China, I have several attacks scheduled for next turn.

[seydlitz_slith]

Battles coming up in Manchuko also.

[seydlitz_slith]

Davao

[seydlitz_slith]

Getting ready to attack in Rabaul also.

[seydlitz_slith]

I put my fighters on LRCAP over Kotou this turn and as predicted he focused his attacks on my fort unit there.
This gave him a nasty surprise.

[seydlitz_slith]

Here is what the aircraft losses looked like for the turn. No naval losses for either side.

[TOMLABEL]

ORIGINAL: seydlitz

AWESOME PLANE TOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These look like they belong to Cathartes - very, very nice!!!!

OK - WHERE CAN i GET THEM????[&o][&o][&o]

[Streptokok]

Aye, nice planetops. Are they downloadable from somewhere?

[seydlitz_slith]

TomLabel wins the prize. You need to email Carthes.

I believe that these are still a work in process and he wanted to see what kind of comments we received. Some I like better than stock and some I don't. Overall his work is very good as always.

[seydlitz_slith]

Turn 46 21 Jan 1942

This turn started out with a surprise....A large naval battle with the Russians.

[seydlitz_slith]

The odds weren't really with the Soviets and they lost. However, I did lose a few small ships in the action including a sub chaser that was run down by my larger ships as they formed their battle formation.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Shikuka at 127,45, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 4
BB Ise, Shell hits 2
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2
CA Myoko
CA Haguro, Shell hits 10
CL Natori
CL Yura
CL Kitakami
DD Hatsushima
DD Wakaba
DD Amagiri, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Akebono
DD Sazanami
DD Ushio
DD Wakatake
DD Kuretake
DD Sanae
PB Seikai Maru, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #12, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
SC Ch 10
SC Ch 11
SC Ch 12, and is sunk
xAK Seia Maru
AMC Nosiro Maru
xAK Momokawa Maru
xAK Takao Maru
xAK Aki Maru
xAK Kashu Maru
xAK Koyo Maru
xAK Misaku Maru
xAK Soyo Maru
xAK Sugiyama Maru
xAK Tsuyama Maru
xAK Ueizuru Maru
xAK Yasuteru Maru
xAP Asama Maru
xAP Hie Maru
xAP Buenos Aires Maru
xAP Huzi Maru
xAP Atsuta Maru
xAP Kongo Maru
PB Suyozai Maru
PB Toko Maru #4
PB Seki Maru #3
Allied Ships
DD Rezhvyi, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Retivyi, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Gromkii, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
DD Voikov, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk



Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight...
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards......
Range closes to 2,000 yards......
Range closes to 1,000 yards......
DD Kuretake engages DD Voikov at 1,000 yards...
BB Ise engages DD Gromkii at 1,000 yards...
DD Kuretake engages DD Retivyi at 1,000 yards...
DD Rezhvyi engages CA Haguro at 1,000 yards...
Range increases to 2,000 yards...
DD Voikov engages DD Kuretake at 2,000 yards...
DD Kuretake engages DD Gromkii at 2,000 yards...
DD Retivyi engages DD Kuretake at 2,000 yards...
CA Haguro engages DD Voikov at 2,000 yards...
DD Amagiri engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
Range increases to 4,000 yards...
DD Voikov engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards...
DD Gromkii engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards...
DD Retivyi engages DD Kuretake at 4,000 yards...
DD Rezhvyi engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards...
CL Yura engages DD Rezhvyi at 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
DD Amagiri engages DD Voikov at 3,000 yards...
DD Gromkii engages DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards...
BB Nagato engages DD Rezhvyi at 3,000 yards...
CA Haguro engages DD Voikov at 3,000 yards...
CL Yura engages DD Rezhvyi at 3,000 yards...
DD Rezhvyi engages xAK Yasuteru Maru at 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
DD Voikov sunk by DD Amagiri at 2,000 yards...[:D]
BB Ise engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
BB Nagato engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
CA Haguro engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
DD Amagiri engages DD Gromkii at 2,000 yards...
DD Amagiri engages DD Retivyi at 2,000 yards...
BB Nagato engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
DD Gromkii engages DD Amagiri at 2,000 yards...
BB Ise engages DD Retivyi at 2,000 yards...
BB Nagato engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
CL Kitakami engages DD Rezhvyi at 2,000 yards...
Range increases to 4,000 yards...
BB Nagato collides with SC Ch 12 at 127 , 45 ...[:-][:-][:-]
BB Hyuga engages DD Rezhvyi at 4,000 yards...
DD Retivyi engages DD Amagiri at 4,000 yards...
BB Nagato engages DD Rezhvyi at 4,000 yards...
Range increases to 7,000 yards...
DD Rezhvyi sunk by BB Hyuga at 7,000 yards...[:D]
DD Amagiri engages DD Retivyi at 7,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru , xAP Buenos Aires Maru , xAP Hie Maru , ...
xAP Asama Maru , xAK Yasuteru Maru , xAK Ueizuru Maru , ...
xAK Tsuyama Maru , xAK Sugiyama Maru , xAK Soyo Maru , ...
xAK Misaku Maru , xAK Koyo Maru , xAK Kashu Maru , ...
xAK Aki Maru , xAK Takao Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by CL Yura , CL Natori , DD Ushio , ...
DD Amagiri , DD Hatsushima , PB Seki Maru #3 , ...
PB Suyozai Maru , SC Ch 10...
BB Hyuga engages DD Gromkii at 10,000 yards...
BB Ise engages DD Retivyi at 10,000 yards...
BB Nagato engages DD Retivyi at 10,000 yards...
CA Myoko engages DD Retivyi at 10,000 yards...
Range increases to 11,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru , xAP Buenos Aires Maru , xAP Hie Maru , ...
xAP Asama Maru , xAK Yasuteru Maru , xAK Ueizuru Maru , ...
xAK Tsuyama Maru , xAK Sugiyama Maru , xAK Soyo Maru , ...
xAK Misaku Maru , xAK Koyo Maru , xAK Kashu Maru , ...
xAK Aki Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Kuretake , DD Akebono , DD Amagiri , ...
PB Seki Maru #3 , PB Toko Maru #4 , PB Seikai Maru , ...
SC Ch 11...
BB Nagato engages DD Gromkii at 11,000 yards...
BB Ise engages DD Retivyi at 11,000 yards...
DD Wakaba engages DD Retivyi at 11,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru , xAP Buenos Aires Maru , xAP Hie Maru , ...
xAP Asama Maru , xAK Yasuteru Maru , xAK Ueizuru Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Sazanami , PB Seikai Maru , SC Ch 10...
BB Hyuga engages DD Retivyi at 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru , xAP Buenos Aires Maru , xAP Hie Maru , ...
xAP Asama Maru , xAK Yasuteru Maru , xAK Ueizuru Maru , ...
xAK Tsuyama Maru screened from combat...
BB Hyuga engages DD Retivyi at 10,000 yards...
BB Nagato engages DD Retivyi at 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru , xAP Buenos Aires Maru , xAP Hie Maru , ...
xAP Asama Maru , xAK Yasuteru Maru , xAK Ueizuru Maru , ...
xAK Tsuyama Maru , xAK Sugiyama Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by CL Kitakami , DD Wakaba , PB Kyo Maru #12 , ...
PB Seikai Maru , SC Ch 11...
BB Ise engages DD Retivyi at 7,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru , xAP Buenos Aires Maru , xAP Hie Maru , ...
xAP Asama Maru , xAK Yasuteru Maru , xAK Ueizuru Maru , ...
xAK Tsuyama Maru , xAK Sugiyama Maru , xAK Soyo Maru , ...
xAK Misaku Maru , xAK Koyo Maru , xAK Kashu Maru , ...
xAK Aki Maru , xAK Takao Maru , xAK Momokawa Maru , ...
xAK Seia Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Kuretake , DD Wakatake , DD Ushio , ...
DD Akebono , DD Hatsushima , PB Seki Maru #3 , ...
PB Toko Maru #4 , PB Suyozai Maru , SC Ch 11...
BB Hyuga engages DD Retivyi at 9,000 yards...
DD Retivyi engages DD Sazanami at 9,000 yards...
PB Kyo Maru #12 sunk by DD Retivyi at 9,000 yards...[:@]
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
xAK Koyo Maru collides with PB Seikai Maru at 127 , 45 ...[:(]
AMC Nosiro Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by PB Toko Maru #4...
DD Retivyi engages DD Wakaba at 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru , xAP Buenos Aires Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Sanae , SC Ch 10...
DD Amagiri engages DD Retivyi at 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 7,000 yards...
DD Kuretake collides with SC Ch 11 at 127 , 45 ...[X(]
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by PB Seki Maru #3...
DD Retivyi engages DD Sazanami at 7,000 yards...
xAK Koyo Maru collides with PB Seikai Maru at 127 , 45 ...[:(]
AMC Nosiro Maru , xAP Kongo Maru , xAP Atsuta Maru , ...
xAP Huzi Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Wakatake , DD Sazanami...
BB Hyuga engages DD Retivyi at 7,000 yards...
DD Amagiri engages DD Retivyi at 7,000 yards...
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape...
Task forces break off......

[seydlitz_slith]

After the battle the invasion fleet continued up the east coast of Sakhalin Island towards Okha. It was attacked several times by Soviet aircraft but only one minor hit was scored on a transport. I did have one attack where all of the bombs missed, but one of the transports lost a vehicle overboard!!!

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Toyohara at 124,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes


Allied aircraft
I-153 x 1
SB-2 x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Thames Maru

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)[8|][8|]



Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2 bombing from 8000 feet
Naval Attack: 6 x 100 kg SAP Bomb

[seydlitz_slith]

Here are the naval losses for the turn. All were from the naval battle except for the I-24. Appearantly my opponent has laid mines just outside Tokyo Bay and I-24 hit one while departing for patrol. She sank one hex from Yokohama.

[seydlitz_slith]

Again we clashed in the air over Kotou, and again I shot down a lot of Soviet aircraft. If this keeps up I will eventually gain the upper hand in the air in this region.

[seydlitz_slith]

Here is my aces leaderboard. Thanks to two days of heavy fighting over Kotou I now have two double aces and several more pilots getting close to that status. His loss of SB-2s were especially heavy.

[seydlitz_slith]

In Manchuko I again forced him back a hex towards Shilka and I am following up. I run the risk of having him cut me off from the rear but I have two more divisions moving up the road to secure that situation. For whatever reason he seems extremely weak in this area so I feel that I can hurt him badly if I am able to advance to the rail line.

[seydlitz_slith]

Here is what the area around Vladivostok looks like. He pulled a smart move by moving two large LCUs into the hex at Rybilov where my units were advancing on Voroshilov. I had already covered 33 miles of the 46 and I had to drop out of movement with the whole stack to fight him. That means that I will have to start the movement over again from scratch after the combat.

[seydlitz_slith]

Here is a snap showing my Okha invasion TF enroute.

[seydlitz_slith]

In China, I won two battles. One a defensive battle in the mountains and the other an offensive battle on the road to Sian north of the river.
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Ground combat at 85,41

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27778 troops, 243 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 822

Defending force 14350 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 318

Japanese adjusted assault: 701

Allied adjusted defense: 87

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
503 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5871 casualties reported
Squads: 233 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 224 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:...
37th Division...
41st Division...
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
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Ground combat at 85,41

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27778 troops, 243 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 822

Defending force 14350 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 318

Japanese adjusted assault: 701

Allied adjusted defense: 87

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
503 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5871 casualties reported
Squads: 233 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 224 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:...
37th Division...
41st Division...
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
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Ground combat at 85,41

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27778 troops, 243 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 822

Defending force 14350 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 318

Japanese adjusted assault: 701

Allied adjusted defense: 87

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
503 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
5871 casualties reported
Squads: 233 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 224 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:...
37th Division...
41st Division...
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment...
...
Defending units:...
1st Chinese Corps...
43rd Chinese Corps...
61st Chinese Corps...
8th Group Army...

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Ground combat at Temuloh (50,78)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3304 troops, 32 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 134

Defending force 768 troops, 0 guns, 86 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Allied adjusted assault: 17

Japanese adjusted defense: 43

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), leaders(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Assaulting units:...
8th Indian Brigade...
22nd Indian Brigade...
2nd Argylls Battalion...
5th Field Regiment...
...
Defending units:...
6th Tank Regiment...