Cost

LuckyJim1005 · Post by **LuckyJim1005** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:26 pm

Just been payed so i'd thought I would treat myself to AE.

But seriously - £52 for digital download. I was dumbstruck. I expected to pay up to about £30 but £50 for a wargame.....

Is it just me or is this really expensive for a game ?

I appreciate the time it took and the level of detail but do matrix ever consider they may be missing out on sales by such a high cost.

I suppose that those interested in the period/level will pay no matter what but I am sad I cannot justify such expense on a game I would love to play.

After all you are not starting from scratch - it is a game you have already developed and are building on.

I expect to get flamed and am doning flak vest. [:)]

treespider · Post by **treespider** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:30 pm

As many have said...

On a per minute/ per hour/ per time played basis this is the best investment in wargaming available...

n01487477 · Post by **n01487477** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:36 pm

Not again [8|]

witpqs · Post by **witpqs** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:45 pm

You will be down to less than £0.10 per hour in a year, quite possibly well under a year.

When you reach that level we all expect you to come back to this thread and post your retraction!

[:D]

SuluSea · Post by **SuluSea** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:02 pm

Heck, I'm already below 30 cent per hour played. This is the best entertainment investment  I ever made.

tocaff · Post by **tocaff** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:30 pm

I'm an addict and I have to admit the following:

After I bought WPO and WITP I didn't buy another game until AE was released and that was years ago.  This gives more bang for your buck than a, well forum rules preclude my continuing that chain of thought.  [;)]

herwin · Post by **herwin** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:35 pm

The price of comparable paper games is a good deal higher.

LuckyJim1005 · Post by **LuckyJim1005** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:36 pm

Fair point by all - except the 'Here we go again' poster. Please point out the rules that say 'dont cover what has already been said'.

Amazes me you took the time to post instead of just ignoring what has, to you, been hashed over already.

I dont think that retraction will be forthcoimg witpqs as I cannot justify the initial outlay, not the return in a year's worth of play.

Bit like saying that your £150K car only costs a £1 per hour if you drive it for 150,000 hours.

Looks good but does not really stand up to serious scrutiny.

So, is Matrix losing sales from the more casual gamer because of the price ?

Oldguard1970 · Post by **Oldguard1970** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:44 pm

LuckyJim,
 
If you are like many of us, you have old games gathering dust.  You may have paid less for them, but you never played them, or only played them a few times.  For some people, that will happen with AE.  However, if you are among those of us who are "captured" by this game, you will have gotten the best "value for money" possible.
 
Will you like the game?  Will you be captured?  Read some of the AARs.  That should help you discover if you are a good candidate for this game or not.
 
 

treespider · Post by **treespider** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:51 pm

ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005

So, is Matrix losing sales from the more casual gamer because of the price ?

AE is not for the casual gamer.

USSAmerica · Post by **USSAmerica** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:52 pm

LuckyJim, no, Matrix is not losing sales from more casual gamers because of the price.  Almost all "casual gamers" will not have much interest in a game that contains so much detail and micromanagement.  This is a "grognard's" game.  If that is your cup of tea, you can't find a better way to spend 52 pounds.  I've spent money on no other game in the 3 years I've owned WitP, and now AE.  There is honestly no better deal in computer wargames anywhere.  [8D]

witpqs · Post by **witpqs** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:56 pm

ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005

Fair point by all - except the 'Here we go again' poster. Please point out the rules that say 'dont cover what has already been said'.

Amazes me you took the time to post instead of just ignoring what has, to you, been hashed over already.

I dont think that retraction will be forthcoimg witpqs as I cannot justify the initial outlay, not the return in a year's worth of play.

Bit like saying that your £150K car only costs a £1 per hour if you drive it for 150,000 hours.

Looks good but does not really stand up to serious scrutiny.

So, is Matrix losing sales from the more casual gamer because of the price ?

OK - it's your money so take these remarks in the good nature in which they are offered. [:)]

Cannot justify the initial outlay? How many games do you purchase each year? At what cost each & total? If you wish, you have the choice of purchasing AE in place of what - 2 other games? 1.5 other games?

Want it but don't have the money now for AE? Don't buy anything now. Instead wait until you would have bought the next game. Combine the money from the two games you would have purchased, buy AE and (almost certainly) have a little left over.

Regarding the car analogy, that hardly applies. The cost ratio of AE to most games on the market is nowhere near the cost ratio of a £150K car to most cars on the market. I'm sensing that you're experiencing 'sticker shock' upon seeing the price. I understand that - so you're asking "what's so good about AE that makes it worth the price?" Fair enough. But you seem to have already made up your mind. So are you just asking out of curiosity or are you looking for some in-depth testimonials that might convince you to buy AE?

Templer_12 · Post by **Templer_12** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:58 pm

ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005

Fair point by all - except the 'Here we go again' poster. Please point out the rules that say 'dont cover what has already been said'.

>There is none!

@ LuckyJim1005,

welcome to the dark side

Here we go:
Read it, think about it - enjoy it? Post back. [;)]
Why is this game so expensive ?
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I guess that´s why n01487477 posted "Not again..." Be assured, this was no offense [:)]

TommyG · Post by **TommyG** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:07 pm

There are many of us that have been playing this game 40 hours or more a week for more than five years. I personally have spent $150 just photcopying and binding the only marginaly useful manual. But, this game is not for everybody. It can (and should) take 10 or more hours just to set up the first turn, and that is after you already know what it is you are trying to do and where everything you need to do it is located. Many of us started with board games 40 years ago and have been playing increasingly more difficult versions of this particular game since Gary's Guadalcanal Campaign came out in 1981. Yhe learning curve is steep (think cliff) and to play well also requires a great deal of familiararity with WWll equipment, geo-politics, naval and air docrrine; as well as recently added minutiae on cargo handling capacities of Cook Island ports of call. But God do I love it. And, if you do get in to it you will never, ever, regret the intial cost. Oh, yeah, you will also meet and communicate with a hell of a lot of great guys.

RevRick · Post by **RevRick** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:52 pm

ORIGINAL: USS America

LuckyJim, no, Matrix is not losing sales from more casual gamers because of the price. Almost all "casual gamers" will not have much interest in a game that contains so much detail and micromanagement. This is a "grognard's" game. If that is your cup of tea, you can't find a better way to spend 52 pounds. I've spent money on no other game in the 3 years I've owned WitP, and now AE. There is honestly no better deal in computer wargames anywhere. [8D]

I think you may be guilty of understatement. Any "casual gamer" who investigates this game with any degree of intention and, therefore, takes a long look at the detail will try to find one of the 'beer and pretzel' games instead. And, there's nothing wrong with that. But, it's not my cup of tea for this theater... And I have been playing this theater for 15 years now on computer. Not as long as some of you, but...

LuckyJim1005 · Post by **LuckyJim1005** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:59 pm

Okay guys I am going to take witpqs advice and not buy the next 2 games but get this next month. As it happens an invoice is getting paid for some software I have wrtten so WiTP AE is my next purchase.

Without getting all teared up about it can I just say that you lot should be in the pay of Matrix. You have sold me.....

LuckyJim1005 · Post by **LuckyJim1005** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:09 pm

Forgot to say i have been playing Time of Wrath and have found it a little to simple. Not to detract from it, it is a great beer & pretzel game just a little lacking in some Navel aspects so I am looking for something with a bit more bite.

And yes I admit I think it was 'sticker price shock' that kicked in.

If I have 2 more glasses of wine the credit card is coming out [:)]

Missus is going to kill me..

BTW Is it just me or do any of you old time board gamers sit here thinking we are in a great age for PC wargaming ?

Apologies if I annoyed anyone.

chesmart · Post by **chesmart** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:10 pm

This is the definitve WW2 STRATEGY GAME simple. Nothing Comes close to it. The problem it is so addictive that all other addictions will give way to this. Kiss goodbye to your life and welcome to this world. In Dantes Inferno on the gates of hell there is written "Abandon all hope all ye who enter here" Just remember that quote as all other games will become something of the past. The only thing that Pisses me off about AE is the AI Andy Mac programmed it is wicked.

pmelheck1 · Post by **pmelheck1** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:13 pm

I've seen reviewers who have been stunned by the size and scope of AE.  As many have stated this is not for the casual gamer.   I've seen one or two reviews where the reviewer complained about the work and complexity of playing.  This is exactly what some of use are looking for.  As for me and I think some others on this board the price was not an issue.  We might have had to save our pennies to get it but their was never a doubt we were going to get it.  There is simply no other program on the market that covers the subject in the depth and detail that AE does.  The next closest runner up isn't even close.  It would be sort of like comparing TIC-TAC-TOE to 3 dimensional chess.  Tic-Tac-Toe is fun if it's what your looking for but it isn't for me.  This game isn't for the faint of heart or if you hate micromanagement, it's a hard core wargamers game.  I don't want to scare you off I always like to see new blood both to AE and to wargames but I also don't want to talk you into something that isn't going to to be your liking.  If WW2 Pacific theater is your thing NOTHING does it better than AE.

fabertong · Post by **fabertong** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:41 pm

ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1005

Forgot to say i have been playing Time of Wrath and have found it a little to simple. Not to detract from it, it is a great beer & pretzel game just a little lacking in some Navel aspects so I am looking for something with a bit more bite.

And yes I admit I think it was 'sticker price shock' that kicked in.

If I have 2 more glasses of wine the credit card is coming out [:)]

Missus is going to kill me..

BTW Is it just me or do any of you old time board gamers sit here thinking we are in a great age for PC wargaming ?

Apologies if I annoyed anyone.

Have the wine......then buy the game........I doubt you'll regret either.....

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