In dark blues Allied subs usually come out in good shape even when found and attacked. Seyditz, what's your opinion of the operational damage ships take operating up north in the winter. I have some small YMS at sea for some time and they have sustained no damage at all that's why I ask.
Looking forward to seeing more as you go on.
Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
ORIGINAL: seydlitz
Medicff: I hear what you are saying, but I will say that this is a much better model than most operational level games in that you have options. We didn't even have these options in witp. So, in that way it is an improvement. Even when defending in a close battle, I will often try to pop at least one unit into reserve for a turn or two after combat if it is an even combat. It is a gamble, but rotating the units let's them recover faster and even as a defender it can help me out in some cases. It is risky to be sure, but I like having the option.
I agree with you that attacks should be wearing the defenses down and it is much improved over witp. I just think that it should take a month or more with more permanent casualties on the attacker (not able to just rest and recover squads fairly quickly after battle). As it is going you should be pretty quick to kick out of hex now having the odds close and watching other AAR's having similar results. (causing the defenders even more permanent casualties and lack of cohesive unit for the near future)
I wish the devs had implemented a form of fighting withdrawal, easily giving up ground and taking reduced casualties from witp as well.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
ORIGINAL: SuluSea
In dark blues Allied subs usually come out in good shape even when found and attacked. Seyditz, what's your opinion of the operational damage ships take operating up north in the winter. I have some small YMS at sea for some time and they have sustained no damage at all that's why I ask.
Looking forward to seeing more as you go on.
Destroyers and larger seem to take more system damage and it is common for my battleships and some carriers to pick up engine damage. I believe that the chance of receiving a point of damage is significantly higher in the winter zones instead of south of the zones. Most ships that sail up there for an extended (more than two week) cruise come back with 7-10 system damage and 1-2 engine damage.
This will drop after mid march when winter is over. It was the same way in witp.
RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
Its worth noting artillary in WWII was much more effective than WWI. It was just people new the effectiveness and didnt let spotters get close , used terrain or reverse slopes. In the open you were mince meat in WWII.
The other thing is in WW1 those are deaths not casualties.. In those bombardments deaths are prob 1000. In The first day of teh Somme there were 57,470 casualties of which 19,240 were killed .(19 divisions vs 6 divisions) .
I think the german lost 6000 casualties to artillary while entrenched from ( 1,010 field guns, 182 heavy guns and 245 howitzers plus an additional 100 French guns and howitzers + at least a similar ammount of guns in the French section including 84 Heavy batteries).
durirng WWII 58.51% of all british casualties were caused by artillery and mortars.
So the amount is not in question for bombardments.
Whats missing is
- Defensive terrains including reverse slopes
- Defensive terrains
- Entrenchments
- Amunition/Supply and intensity
the bombardments we are seeing are possible but prob would require 10* supply.
Most casualties by artillary were when firing on an attacker in the open.
The other thing is in WW1 those are deaths not casualties.. In those bombardments deaths are prob 1000. In The first day of teh Somme there were 57,470 casualties of which 19,240 were killed .(19 divisions vs 6 divisions) .
I think the german lost 6000 casualties to artillary while entrenched from ( 1,010 field guns, 182 heavy guns and 245 howitzers plus an additional 100 French guns and howitzers + at least a similar ammount of guns in the French section including 84 Heavy batteries).
durirng WWII 58.51% of all british casualties were caused by artillery and mortars.
So the amount is not in question for bombardments.
Whats missing is
- Defensive terrains including reverse slopes
- Defensive terrains
- Entrenchments
- Amunition/Supply and intensity
the bombardments we are seeing are possible but prob would require 10* supply.
Most casualties by artillary were when firing on an attacker in the open.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
Rather than shocking him and knocking him back to Vladivostok where he may have had more supply and forts , are you not better of doing bombardments for 5 days to whittle his troops down ?
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
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Rather than shocking him and knocking him back to Vladivostok where he may have had more supply and forts , are you not better of doing bombardments for 5 days to whittle his troops down ?
Oh, I am bombarding and bombing him every single turn in Voroshilov. My goal is to drive him into Vladivostok where I can starve him, pound him into the ground, then annihilate him. I have been methodically bombing Vladivostock every turn with my twin engine bombers so that the supply will be long gone by the time he needs it.
RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
What is the state of your aircraft pools? I would think you are short of planes by now. What about pilots? And, how are you with carrier aircraft? I know it is early yet and he is still weak in the Pacific but are you strong enough to counter an aggressive move?
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
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What is the state of your aircraft pools? I would think you are short of planes by now. What about pilots? And, how are you with carrier aircraft? I know it is early yet and he is still weak in the Pacific but are you strong enough to counter an aggressive move?
My pools are ok. I have about enough aircraft of each primary type to completely rebuild a major combat unit equipped with that type. (example: 29 zeroes in pool). I have been using excess over this to slowly convert the less capable units. I will take a snap of the pools after next turn and post them.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
Turn 68 12 Feb 1942
Not a lot happened during this turn. Primarily I continued the heavy bombing of his forces at Voroshilov. The artillery duel there is now one sided. For the second consecutive turn he has not fired back. His defending AV is also now dropping rapidly. I think that he could well be out of supplies.
Also note the high ratio of destroyed vs. disabled squads.
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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 4445 troops, 403 guns, 282 vehicles, Assault Value = 2055
Defending force 65080 troops, 1515 guns, 581 vehicles, Assault Value = 1650
Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 12 (12 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2100 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 75 destroyed, 72 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 54 (26 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Vehicles lost 69 (43 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Also, up north, I transferred a zero unit to Hailar and it began flying LRCAP along with my Oscar unit to protect my troops east of Shilka. This pretty much shut down his unopposed bombing of my troops up there.
Not a lot happened during this turn. Primarily I continued the heavy bombing of his forces at Voroshilov. The artillery duel there is now one sided. For the second consecutive turn he has not fired back. His defending AV is also now dropping rapidly. I think that he could well be out of supplies.
Also note the high ratio of destroyed vs. disabled squads.
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Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 4445 troops, 403 guns, 282 vehicles, Assault Value = 2055
Defending force 65080 troops, 1515 guns, 581 vehicles, Assault Value = 1650
Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 12 (12 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2100 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 75 destroyed, 72 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 54 (26 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Vehicles lost 69 (43 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Also, up north, I transferred a zero unit to Hailar and it began flying LRCAP along with my Oscar unit to protect my troops east of Shilka. This pretty much shut down his unopposed bombing of my troops up there.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
Down south I won a battle against the Brits in Malaya and they have now retreated to the Johore hex. In NW Borneo I have moved an Oscar unit to provide air cover over my transports that are unloading. They intercepted and shot down several Hudsons flying out of Singapore. Also, one of my subs got off a shot at a cruiser west of Singkawang.
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Sub attack near Pontianak at 54,89
Japanese Ships
SS I-160
Allied Ships
CL Danae
DD Vendetta
DD Isis
SS I-160 launches 8 torpedoes at CL Danae...
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
Escort abandons search for sub...
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Sub attack near Pontianak at 54,89
Japanese Ships
SS I-160
Allied Ships
CL Danae
DD Vendetta
DD Isis
SS I-160 launches 8 torpedoes at CL Danae...
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
Escort abandons search for sub...
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
Those arty results at Voroshilov are impressive considering you used just over 400 guns. That looks like a done deal next time you use a deliberate attack. Nice way to use attrition there.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
ORIGINAL: offenseman
Those arty results at Voroshilov are impressive considering you used just over 400 guns. That looks like a done deal next time you use a deliberate attack. Nice way to use attrition there.
I figure that the air raids are disrupting the men and then the artillery bombardment is killing them later during the turn. I have asked my opponent if he has any comments regarding what is going on there. We shall see what he has to say.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
Turn 69 13 Feb 1942
Lots of naval action this turn off the NW corner of Borneo. The turn started off with another of my subs taking shots at a surface combat TF.
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Sub attack near Singkawang at 55,87
Japanese Ships
SS I-158
Allied Ships
DD Vendetta
DD Isis
SS I-158 launches 8 torpedoes at DD Vendetta...
I-158 bottoming out .......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
Escort abandons search for sub...
Lots of naval action this turn off the NW corner of Borneo. The turn started off with another of my subs taking shots at a surface combat TF.
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Sub attack near Singkawang at 55,87
Japanese Ships
SS I-158
Allied Ships
DD Vendetta
DD Isis
SS I-158 launches 8 torpedoes at DD Vendetta...
I-158 bottoming out .......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
DD Isis fails to find sub, continues to search......
Escort abandons search for sub...
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
The next event was a brutal surface engagement. I had expected that he was coming and had a heavy escort for my two merchants, but I had no idea that I was going to get hit with 8 cruisers.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 56,88, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago, Shell hits 2
CA Nachi, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 5, on fire
CL Kiso
DD Kuroshio
DD Oyashio
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 1
DD Yugiri
DD Shiokaze
AK Sasako Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
AK Kaga Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Java, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 2
CL Tromp, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
CL Dragon
CL Mauritius
CL Marblehead, Shell hits 3
CL Boise
DD Alden, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Edsall
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott
DD Stewart, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Stronghold, Shell hits 2, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
231 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!...
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway...
Reduced sighting due to 7% moonlight...
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 7% moonlight: 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards......
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards......
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards...
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 6,000 yards...
CA Houston fires at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Boise fires at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Boise fires at CL Isuzu at 6,000 yards...
CL Dragon launches Torpedoes at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Tromp launches Torpedoes at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Java fires at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
DD Stronghold launches Torpedoes at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
DD Stewart launches Torpedoes at AK Kaga Maru at 6,000 yards...
DD Alden launches Torpedoes at AK Kaga Maru at 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CA Houston at 2,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Dragon at 2,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Marblehead at 2,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Java at 2,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Dragon at 2,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Tromp at 2,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stronghold at 2,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Java at 2,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stronghold at 2,000 yards...
DD Stewart engages AK Kaga Maru at 2,000 yards...
DD Edsall engages AK Sasako Maru at 2,000 yards...
DD Alden engages DD Asagiri at 2,000 yards...
Range increases to 4,000 yards...
CA Houston engages CA Nachi at 4,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Boise at 4,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Marblehead at 4,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Java at 4,000 yards...
CL Dragon engages CA Atago at 4,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Tromp at 4,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stewart at 4,000 yards...
DD Alden sunk by DD Oyashio at 4,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stronghold at 4,000 yards...
DD Stewart engages DD Asagiri at 4,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Paul Jones at 4,000 yards...
Range increases to 5,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CA Houston at 5,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 5,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Marblehead at 5,000 yards...
CL Dragon engages CA Nachi at 5,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 5,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Asagiri at 5,000 yards...
CL Java engages CL Isuzu at 5,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Oyashio at 5,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages AK Kaga Maru at 5,000 yards...
DD Stewart engages AK Sasako Maru at 5,000 yards...
DD Edsall engages DD Asagiri at 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CA Houston at 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 9,000 yards...
CL Tromp engages CL Kiso at 9,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Mauritius at 9,000 yards...
DD Shiokaze engages DD Stronghold at 9,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Edsall at 9,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL De Ruyter at 9,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Java at 9,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Kuroshio at 9,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Parrott at 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 11,000 yards...
CA Houston engages CA Nachi at 11,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Boise at 11,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Marblehead at 11,000 yards...
CL Tromp engages CL Isuzu at 11,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Dragon at 11,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL De Ruyter at 11,000 yards...
DD Stewart sunk by DD Oyashio at 11,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Stronghold at 11,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Parrott at 11,000 yards...
DD Paul Jones engages DD Shiokaze at 11,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CA Houston at 12,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Boise at 12,000 yards...
CL Marblehead engages CL Isuzu at 12,000 yards...
CL Mauritius engages CA Nachi at 12,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Dragon at 12,000 yards...
CL Tromp engages DD Yugiri at 12,000 yards...
DD Paul Jones engages DD Asagiri at 12,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Oyashio at 12,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Parrott at 12,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Parrott at 12,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages AK Sasako Maru at 12,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Edsall at 12,000 yards...
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape...
Task forces break off......
CA Nachi sank during the movement pulse after the battle. My first CA loss of the war.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 56,88, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago, Shell hits 2
CA Nachi, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 5, on fire
CL Kiso
DD Kuroshio
DD Oyashio
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 1
DD Yugiri
DD Shiokaze
AK Sasako Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
AK Kaga Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
Allied Ships
CA Houston
CL Java, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 2
CL Tromp, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
CL Dragon
CL Mauritius
CL Marblehead, Shell hits 3
CL Boise
DD Alden, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Edsall
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott
DD Stewart, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Stronghold, Shell hits 2, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
231 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!...
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway...
Reduced sighting due to 7% moonlight...
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 7% moonlight: 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards......
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards......
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards...
Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 6,000 yards...
CA Houston fires at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Boise fires at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Boise fires at CL Isuzu at 6,000 yards...
CL Dragon launches Torpedoes at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Tromp launches Torpedoes at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
CL Java fires at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
DD Stronghold launches Torpedoes at CA Nachi at 6,000 yards...
DD Stewart launches Torpedoes at AK Kaga Maru at 6,000 yards...
DD Alden launches Torpedoes at AK Kaga Maru at 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CA Houston at 2,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Dragon at 2,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Marblehead at 2,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Java at 2,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Dragon at 2,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Tromp at 2,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stronghold at 2,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Java at 2,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stronghold at 2,000 yards...
DD Stewart engages AK Kaga Maru at 2,000 yards...
DD Edsall engages AK Sasako Maru at 2,000 yards...
DD Alden engages DD Asagiri at 2,000 yards...
Range increases to 4,000 yards...
CA Houston engages CA Nachi at 4,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Boise at 4,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Marblehead at 4,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Java at 4,000 yards...
CL Dragon engages CA Atago at 4,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Tromp at 4,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stewart at 4,000 yards...
DD Alden sunk by DD Oyashio at 4,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Stronghold at 4,000 yards...
DD Stewart engages DD Asagiri at 4,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Paul Jones at 4,000 yards...
Range increases to 5,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CA Houston at 5,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 5,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CL Marblehead at 5,000 yards...
CL Dragon engages CA Nachi at 5,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 5,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Asagiri at 5,000 yards...
CL Java engages CL Isuzu at 5,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Oyashio at 5,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages AK Kaga Maru at 5,000 yards...
DD Stewart engages AK Sasako Maru at 5,000 yards...
DD Edsall engages DD Asagiri at 5,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CA Houston at 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Tromp at 9,000 yards...
CL Tromp engages CL Kiso at 9,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Mauritius at 9,000 yards...
DD Shiokaze engages DD Stronghold at 9,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Edsall at 9,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL De Ruyter at 9,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Java at 9,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Kuroshio at 9,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Parrott at 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 11,000 yards...
CA Houston engages CA Nachi at 11,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Boise at 11,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Marblehead at 11,000 yards...
CL Tromp engages CL Isuzu at 11,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Dragon at 11,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL De Ruyter at 11,000 yards...
DD Stewart sunk by DD Oyashio at 11,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Stronghold at 11,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Parrott at 11,000 yards...
DD Paul Jones engages DD Shiokaze at 11,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
CA Nachi engages CA Houston at 12,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Boise at 12,000 yards...
CL Marblehead engages CL Isuzu at 12,000 yards...
CL Mauritius engages CA Nachi at 12,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Dragon at 12,000 yards...
CL Tromp engages DD Yugiri at 12,000 yards...
DD Paul Jones engages DD Asagiri at 12,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages DD Oyashio at 12,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Parrott at 12,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Parrott at 12,000 yards...
DD Stronghold engages AK Sasako Maru at 12,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Edsall at 12,000 yards...
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape...
Task forces break off......
CA Nachi sank during the movement pulse after the battle. My first CA loss of the war.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
This was followed by a daytime engagement with a second TF. This was the force that my subs had shot at the night before.
I should have won this one hands down but my ships physically ran out of ammo and torpedoes.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Kuching at 57,87, Range 26,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago, Shell hits 7, on fire
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
CL Kiso, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kuroshio, Shell hits 4
DD Oyashio, Shell hits 3
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yugiri, Shell hits 1
AK Sasako Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
AK Kaga Maru
Allied Ships
CL Danae, Shell hits 16
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Isis, Shell hits 1
Japanese ground losses:
300 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards...
Range closes to 28,000 yards......
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards......
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Asagiri...
CA Atago engages DD Vendetta at 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 23,000 yards...
CA Atago engages DD Vendetta at 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Asagiri...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 20,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Yugiri at 20,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Isis at 20,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Kuroshio at 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 17,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 17,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Vendetta at 17,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Isis at 17,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Isis at 17,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by CL Isuzu...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 16,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Isis at 16,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 16,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Vendetta at 16,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Vendetta at 16,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 16,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 15,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages DD Isis at 15,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Tenedos at 15,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 15,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Oyashio at 15,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 15,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Yugiri...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 11,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Kiso at 11,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Danae at 11,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Vendetta at 11,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Tenedos at 11,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Kuroshio at 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Oyashio...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Isuzu at 9,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Yugiri at 9,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Asagiri at 9,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 10,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Kiso at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 10,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Isis at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Asagiri at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Oyashio at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Kuroshio at 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Isuzu at 9,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Oyashio...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 8,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 8,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages DD Tenedos at 8,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Vendetta at 8,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Asagiri at 8,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Kuroshio at 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CA Atago engages DD Vendetta at 7,000 yards...
DD Isis engages DD Asagiri at 7,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Danae at 7,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Yugiri at 7,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Asagiri at 7,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Vendetta at 7,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Asagiri...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 6,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 6,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Danae at 6,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Vendetta at 6,000 yards...
DD Vendetta sunk by DD Oyashio at 6,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Tenedos at 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Kuroshio at 9,000 yards...
DD Isis engages DD Kuroshio at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 9,000 yards...
Butler, F.J. orders Allied TF to disengage...
Range increases to 13,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 13,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 13,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Tenedos at 13,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 13,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Isis at 13,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Kaga Maru at 13,000 yards...
Range increases to 19,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 19,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Tenedos at 19,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Tenedos at 19,000 yards...
DD Isis engages DD Kuroshio at 19,000 yards...
Range increases to 23,000 yards...
Range increases to 28,000 yards...
Range increases to 28,000 yards...
Task forces break off......
I should have won this one hands down but my ships physically ran out of ammo and torpedoes.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Kuching at 57,87, Range 26,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago, Shell hits 7, on fire
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
CL Kiso, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kuroshio, Shell hits 4
DD Oyashio, Shell hits 3
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yugiri, Shell hits 1
AK Sasako Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
AK Kaga Maru
Allied Ships
CL Danae, Shell hits 16
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Isis, Shell hits 1
Japanese ground losses:
300 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards...
Range closes to 28,000 yards......
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 28,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards......
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Asagiri...
CA Atago engages DD Vendetta at 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 23,000 yards...
CA Atago engages DD Vendetta at 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Asagiri...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 20,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Yugiri at 20,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Isis at 20,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Kuroshio at 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 17,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 17,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Vendetta at 17,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Isis at 17,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Isis at 17,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by CL Isuzu...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 16,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Isis at 16,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 16,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Vendetta at 16,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Vendetta at 16,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 16,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 15,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages DD Isis at 15,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Tenedos at 15,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 15,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Oyashio at 15,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 15,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Yugiri...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 11,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Kiso at 11,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Danae at 11,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Vendetta at 11,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Tenedos at 11,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Kuroshio at 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Oyashio...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Isuzu at 9,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Yugiri at 9,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Asagiri at 9,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 9,000 yards...
Range increases to 10,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru screened from combat...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 10,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Kiso at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 10,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Isis at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Asagiri at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Oyashio at 10,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Kuroshio at 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CL Isuzu at 9,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Isis at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Oyashio...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 8,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 8,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages DD Tenedos at 8,000 yards...
DD Yugiri engages DD Vendetta at 8,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Asagiri at 8,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Kuroshio at 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
CA Atago engages DD Vendetta at 7,000 yards...
DD Isis engages DD Asagiri at 7,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Danae at 7,000 yards...
DD Vendetta engages DD Yugiri at 7,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Asagiri at 7,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Vendetta at 7,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Isis at 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
AK Kaga Maru , AK Sasako Maru screened from combat...
- escorted by DD Asagiri...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 6,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 6,000 yards...
CL Isuzu engages CL Danae at 6,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Vendetta at 6,000 yards...
DD Vendetta sunk by DD Oyashio at 6,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Tenedos at 6,000 yards...
Range increases to 9,000 yards...
CA Atago engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 9,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Kuroshio at 9,000 yards...
DD Isis engages DD Kuroshio at 9,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Sasako Maru at 9,000 yards...
Butler, F.J. orders Allied TF to disengage...
Range increases to 13,000 yards...
CL Danae engages CA Atago at 13,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 13,000 yards...
DD Kuroshio engages DD Tenedos at 13,000 yards...
DD Tenedos engages DD Yugiri at 13,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Isis at 13,000 yards...
CL Danae engages AK Kaga Maru at 13,000 yards...
Range increases to 19,000 yards...
CL Kiso engages CL Danae at 19,000 yards...
DD Asagiri engages DD Tenedos at 19,000 yards...
DD Oyashio engages DD Tenedos at 19,000 yards...
DD Isis engages DD Kuroshio at 19,000 yards...
Range increases to 23,000 yards...
Range increases to 28,000 yards...
Range increases to 28,000 yards...
Task forces break off......
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
CA Atago after the battles. Out of ammo.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
CL Isuzu
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
CL Kiso. I doubt that she will make port as the flooding will surely claim her.
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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (Allies)
Here is the naval sitrep for the SRA area at the end of the turn. My Betties and Nells flew strikes but the Betties decided that they wanted to torpedo some HDML launches in Singapore harbor instead of fleeing allied cruisers. [:@]
Looks like my opponent's decoy TF to draw my bombers away from his cruisers worked.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 50,84
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
HDML Panglima, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
HDML Panji, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
HDML Pennigat, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
Looks like my opponent's decoy TF to draw my bombers away from his cruisers worked.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 50,84
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
HDML Panglima, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
HDML Panji, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
HDML Pennigat, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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