LA Oil - Can I Ship It?

[khyberbill]

I stand by my statement: There is no need at all for the Allies to haul Oil or Resources.

I agree. I am awash in supply in my two PBEMs every where but China. Fuel is a different problem especially in Oz and SW Pac. But the way this game works, moving oil doesn't really help one. Fuel is the weak link. If you move oil to Australia, then you have to send a tanker to pick up the fuel that is made and carry it to Noumea etc. Why not just bring the fuel there first?.

[ADB123]

ORIGINAL: Rainer

Fuel doesn't move. Supply does.

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Oh oh, I didn't realize that... [X(][X(][X(]

Okay, that changes things. (...back to the drawing board...)

Thanks for correcting my misconception.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

I ship fuel to Perth from Cape Town. I stopped shipping it from Abadan, because IJ AI has nasty tendency to use some of it's carriers in raids between Colombo and Diego Garcia. Losing couple of TFs full of big TKs hurt. They are also quite valuable pointswise. I use smaller tankers evaquated from DEI to shuttle the fuel to Sydney. Those TK TFs south of Oz need to be escorted, place is sometimes infested with IJN subs.

I haven't had a CV-in-the-IO script. Hmm.

I also ship CT to Perth, as it's a short exposure time coming east. But, I wasn't careful once and sucked CT dry. I then had 950,000 supplies sitting there, and every SUPPLY convoy in the red until I could get an emergency tanker trio down from Abadan. Since then, I have a 6-tanker TF shuttling from the East Coast to CT just to keep the supply convoys in fuel.

Aden opens up for me in four months. Haven't decided yet how to play that.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Rainer

Fuel doesn't move. Supply does.

I once took the train from Adelaide to Perth, across the Nulaboor Desert. Doing that I can understand why fuel doesn't move easily.

[USSAmerica]

Guys, fuel does move between bases, as does supply.  You cannot adjust the "fuel requested" level as you now can for supply at a base, but it will still move between bases.... IF the distance is not too great.  It is to far from Perth or Darwin to the big cities in SE Australia.

[Rainer]

fuel does move between bases, as does supply

Are you sure? Any proof?

EDIT: I just checked my current game (Allied vs AI, Scen1): Darwin is full of fuel (86,843) which I "rescued" from Soerabaja. There is actually a big amount of spoilage. The fuel was brought to Darwin a couple of weeks ago.
The ports next to Darwin (Wyndham, Derby, Broome) have 0 fuel.
So this observation does not support your assumption.

But if your experience is different, please let us know. It's important to know.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: khyberbill

Not even to deny it to the Japanese?

That is what I try to do. In one of my games, I tried to do that in DEI and lost many tankers to subs and mini-kb. It is heart breaking to see a large tanker leaving Palembang, full of fuel and get two torpedoes in it the next day. In the other PBEM, I did get a lot of fuel to Darwin/Broome before the area got to hot and then my foe promptly took those two ports and got it back. I just sort of collected it for him. He did thank me. My subs have sunk some tankers trying to get it out of there and back to Japan. In both of my PBEMs, my foes struck early at Northern Australia. I do like to remove fuel from DEI but perhaps must consider taking it further away in future PBEMs.

Yes, I am beginning to think that Northern OZ is even harder to defend in AE than WITP. I am sending any spare oil to Perth. Perth is a fairly safe place to send spare ships evacuated from the DEI anyways. Although, I am really beginning to think that a lot of my surplus ships would be safer hiding in Cape Town.

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Rainer

fuel does move between bases, as does supply

Are you sure? Any proof?

EDIT: I just checked my current game (Allied vs AI, Scen1): Darwin is full of fuel (86,843) which I "rescued" from Soerabaja. There is actually a big amount of spoilage. The fuel was brought to Darwin a couple of weeks ago.
The ports next to Darwin (Wyndham, Derby, Broome) have 0 fuel.
So this observation does not support your assumption.

But if your experience is different, please let us know. It's important to know.

"Next" is not exactly accurate...

[Rainer]

"Next" is not exactly accurate...

My command of the English language is certainly limited (I'm German), however Wyndham is the next port to Darwin indeed, and it is 7 hexes away from Darwin. There is no other port nearer to Darwin.

Now, what is your definition of NEXT? [;)]

[USSAmerica]

Ranier, Wyndham is 7 hexes from Darwin as the crow flies, but supplies don't transfer by crow.  [:D]

The land path from Darwin to Wyndham is 4 road hexes and 7 trail hexes.  The terrain costs for this path add up to about 90%, based on my quick glance at the chart in the manual.  This means that any supplies that move between these two bases would only be 10% of the "needed" supplies, and transfers would rarely happen.

I would define Tokyo and Yokohama as being NEXT to each other.  They are only 1 hex apart, and connected by rail. 

[Rainer]

This is all very well.
But it doesn't prove fuel is distributed over land like supply is distributed by the program.
I have my doubts.

[freeboy]

right, I do not think fuel is distributed over land the same.. I have to ship fuel from OZ ports to other ports... in my experience

[Sardaukar]

Fuel does move, but it only moves via very good connections. I have observed fuel movements between Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane quite often. I think it happens once a week.
 
On the other hand, nothing gets out of the Perth or especially Darwin, because connections and distances are too great.

[Rainer]

You're right.
It's in the manual (9.2.2 Base Composition) page 209:

"Supply, fuel, resources, and oil stockpiles will also be moved automatically from bases overland
to restock other bases or ground units that are running low on these items if the two bases (or
ground unit) are linked by a valid supply path."

Sorry for the confusion.

[Rainer]

ADB123,
I made a false statement.
Fuel does move.
Please see post #34 for correction or manual page 209 (Base Composition, 9.2.2).
I'm very sorry for the confusion.
Rainer

[John Lansford]

I've drained SF dry of fuel and had it go right back up to 200k+ in a few days once all the TF's left.  IIRC SF has no refinery ability so the fuel must be coming from somewhere.

[Mijast727]

Does the fuel/supply transfer leap-frog bases?  Using the example above, is the fuel transfer seen as Darwin -> Wyndham or Darwin -> Katherine -> Wyndham?  If the latter, it would seem like you would need to have a stockpile of supplies at Katherine for the second leg to take place.
 
Mike