AE Naval and OOB Issues [OUTDATED]

[JWE]

ok. hopefully can fix in time. still be a CM, though.

[wpurdom]

I would request that when the meet command and the refuel command is fixed that we get a more detailed explanation than normal of the change and/or that one of the programmers (Dan Bowen, I hope) reads the manual on the commands carefully and make sure that the explanation of the function fully explains how each command is supposed to work.
(Dan Bowen consistently provides lucid explanations when he appears on the forum)

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: wpurdom

I would request that when the meet command and the refuel command is fixed that we get a more detailed explanation than normal of the change and/or that one of the programmers (Dan Bowen, I hope) reads the manual on the commands carefully and make sure that the explanation of the function fully explains how each command is supposed to work.
(Dan Bowen consistently provides lucid explanations when he appears on the forum)

From a prior question I asked, I believe the manual is NOT being updated. The manual is a huge additional piece of work. You might want to make notes in yours (or a separate file).

[Menser]

wpurdom, notes are being taken in the forums, check out this one. will probably be added too when patch 2 comes out
tm.asp?m=2260137

[gingerbread]

Page 243 of the manual has a picture that shows 2240X in red for West Virginia.

How do I calculate repair for this? Is it 10 (Pearl shipyard) x 20 (per manual) = 200;

(disregarding naval support and AR's) so 2240 by 200 = 11.2 gives 12 days?



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[wpurdom]

Thanks Menser for the cite - a very nice little list.

I understand that the manual will not be updated - I never expected such a momental task to go with the patch.

What I was suggesting was more modest - in the notes (readme file) on what is new in the patch, a longer than normal explanation of how the program is supposed to work (on the Meet and follow commands) after the change would be warranted - particularly if it is not congruent to the description in the manual (or has secret limitations)

[doc smith]

I had two ships carrying parts of the 7th Aus Div moving from Aden to Darwin. The crash occurred SW of Bombay. I formed the two klutzes into an Escort convoy and diverted them to Bombay for repair. The TF was set with Aden as home port, unload troops at Bombay, then disband.

Around the time they should have reached Bombay, I checked the port and no Aussie troops, no damaged APs!! I reloaded the game turn during which the crash had occurred and got the ship names. I did a search on the ship list and found Mt. Vernon undergoing repair in San Francisco and the other ship undergoing repair in Aden?!?!? When I right-clicked on either ship, while it was amongst the ships being repaired at the port, I saw the usual ship characteristics PLUS the lost Aussies!! When Mt Vernon finished repair at SF, I created a TF around it and, lo and behold, it still had the fragment of the Aussie div! Expect the same from the ship at Aden when it comes out of the yards.

How could 2 ships move to dock at Bombay and get instantly transported (pun intended) to Aden and SF? I admit I'm puzzled. If anyone wants the turn, I think I can still provide it.

[Jo van der Pluym]

I have just read a book about PT-Boats "
Osprey New Vanguard 148 "US Patrol Torpedo Boats"

According this book have some boat in 1945 also 2x a 8 barrel 5-inch Mk50 rocketlanchers

These boats are from the 78ft Higgins PT 791-808 Class and the 80ft Elco PT 565-622 Class

[Ron Saueracker]

Only because they were damaged and repaired in an East Coast yard. Maybe any ship sent to the East Coast has a chance of being retained for a period outside Pacific Theatre (CVs Excepted).

ORIGINAL: Dixie

Shouldn't USS Boise and Marblehead (amongst other USN ships) have a withdrawl date?  They both spent time in the Med after repair work.

[Buck Beach]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: fbs

Scenario 002 has all ACM Chimo class boats present on 1941, but perhaps they shouldn't.

(snip)

The perfect solution would be to make them available as Army MP class, and then upgrade to ACM by 1944. If not possible, I reckon it is ok to have both the Army mine planters and the Chimo ACM as a single entry, but they should be available from Apr-42 onwards, not from Dec-41.


Cheers [:D]
fbs

We are aware of the deployment of American ACM at the start of the war. There were, in fact, only three of them (one each at Manila, San Franciso, Puget Sound). Also one converted into an inter-island transport and a named working boat at Manila. There were however, large numbers of smaller carft that were used in this war. Unnamed US Army "L" and "M" boats that serviced the mines themselves and electrical connections/junction boxes to them. A similar situation existed for most countries.

We certainly weren't going to put in a fleet of these small boats. So that left us three options:
1. Build mine maintenance directly into the port size. Similar to what WITP did but was in conflict with our basic decision to separate civilian port functions (port size) from military ones (Naval Support).
2. Use Naval Support for mine maintenance. Too general, and we already have a number of functions lumped into Naval Support (one of which I would have liked to move to yet another Support type - Shore Parties).
3. Expand the ACM fleets using ships that historically could have been used in that role. This is what we did.

The two main groups of US ACM are the US Army Mine Planters (represented by the Chino Class) and US Coast Guard Buoy/Lighthouse Tenders (Alders).

Japan also has an extensive force of ACM that includes could-have-beens.

The intent is to provide the player the ability to use a reasonable force of ACM to offset the unavailability of all those working boats and to allow the use of ACM to protect the harbors that the player decides to protect.

Having said that, I am a fanatic for historical accuracy and it will probably change when my buddies and I get around to doing a mod. Still not sure what to do about the working boat issue though.

Incidentally, the DANFS history for the ex-USAMP only starts when acquired by the navy. They were in army service earlier in the war - until the threat to US ports was considered to have abated and they were no longer deemed needed. The dividing line between army and navy in minelaying has always been "interesting".

Sorry for the reserection of this old thread, but, it has stimulated some thinking about the subject.

I understand the concept use for the Chimos and that is cool, but, have you decided how to alien the ACMs types into a more historical basis for Da Babes?

I believe the armament of the Alders is more realistic for the ACM ships of the early war period than that of the Chimo.

And now a non-related question, do any of the tools allow for a cross reference of ships to ship class? Example,
what are all the Alder class ships in the game?

BTW, I see where the Alder class is listed in the "in game database" but I can't locate any ships of that class in the game.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

... have you decided how to alien the ACMs types into a more historical basis for Da Babes?

Wow, I never knew "alien" was a verb - learn something new every day!!! [:D]

[Buck Beach]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

... have you decided how to alien the ACMs types into a more historical basis for Da Babes?

Wow, I never knew "alien" was a verb - learn something new every day!!! [:D]

Spell checker sometimes does not save one from being ignorant.

I should have placed my comments under Da Babes but the subject was already here. Please move it should you care to.

Buck

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Please move it should you care to.

Buck

Hi Buck, moved the answer to Scen design .

[Gary D]

Scenario One, yesterdays patch:

Chiang Kai-Chek is "removable"! For a mere 250 PPs we can start the peoples revolution 5 years early.

Now this is one way to help the Chinese that has not been kicked around the boards [:)]

Edit: Oops sorry I dumped this in the Naval section instead of the ground pounders camp.

[Pascal_slith]

I'm somewhat surprised still at how quickly underway replenishment can take place.

I currently have the Enterprise with 15 escorts (CA's, CL's and DD's) in the same hex as the Neosho's replenishment TF. I just gave the order to replenish at sea. The indication for each ship in the Enterprise TF under the Ops listing is 250. For the Neosho it is also 250. This is surprising. I'm only going to use a quarter of a day to replenish 16 ships with one tanker? Considering that at best I should be able to replenish 2 ships at one time (one on each side of Neosho), even 8 successive replenishments, given the set-up time, should take me pretty much the whole day (no replenishment, if I recall, took place at night).

I would submit that the underway replenishment time calculator is not functioning correctly in WitP AE, but perhaps jwilkerson could comment?

Thanks.

PS the two best sources on underway replenishment are publicly available. The first is more technical. It is FTP-218, the War Service Fuel Consumption of US Naval Surface Vessels available here http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/Fuel/index.html .

The second is Wildenberg's Gray Steel and Black Oil, available here http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/GSBO/index.html .

[Don Bowen]

Not enough info here to figure anything out. If you will post a save I'll run it and verify everything is working as designed.

[Pascal_slith]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Not enough info here to figure anything out. If you will post a save I'll run it and verify everything is working as designed.

Certainly. I have saved each day. I gather I have to post you the .pws file, but how do I go about doing that? By private email?

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: Pascal

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Not enough info here to figure anything out. If you will post a save I'll run it and verify everything is working as designed.

Certainly. I have saved each day. I gather I have to post you the .pws file, but how do I go about doing that? By private email?

zip it up and start a new thread in the tech support subforum and attach it there.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Pascal

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Not enough info here to figure anything out. If you will post a save I'll run it and verify everything is working as designed.

Certainly. I have saved each day. I gather I have to post you the .pws file, but how do I go about doing that? By private email?

Post the save in the Tech Support thread.

[HansBolter]

There is an error in one of the two photos on the Game Loading screen.

The photo of the two guys taking sextant readings is a staged picture and an obvious fake.

Check out the sun angle of the shadow on the nose of the guy taking the sighting.

The only star he is going to have a prayer's chance of sighting during that time of day is good ole Sol.