Beware Bolshevik Industrialization

[AH4Ever]

For all my fellow micro-managers:

BIE Tipping Points




The Total Modifiers are rounded off

[Flaviusx]

Here's the thing about the event: morale recovers quicker than WE during peacetime. Actually, this is the only way for the Sovs to improve their war economy during peacetime. WE doesn't change at all during peacetime absent some event. Morale rises even during peacetime. So you will eventually see net gains from selecting the event in peacetime.
 
So you temporarily run down your morale some in order to boost the WE, which by the way starts off abysmally low in the Grand Campaign. The event should be ignored once you are at war with a major power.
 
 
 

[AH4Ever]

I understand how it works but I wanted to see at what point it became counter productive.

After I did the math I thought I'd share it with the community.

[AH4Ever]

I am now convinced that the BIE should never be accepted.


THE RESULTS ARE IN - Over 90 turns I accepted BIE once and rejected it 12 times with a loss of a potential 1160 PP's before the total modifiers finally balanced out.

The amount of lost potential production will vary, depending upon when the USSR goes to war and the total resources controlled.

The time it takes for the CIVIL ORDER modifier to reach 100% is why such losses are possible.

[AH4Ever]

SURPRISE!

NOW THIS IS CONFLICT RESOLUTION!

[New York Jets]

I'm new to this game.

What are BIE and WE?

[AH4Ever]

The Bolshevik Industrialization Event

When playing the USSR this event gives the choice of a 5% increase in the War Economy along with 7% decrease in Civil Order if you accept.

Versus a 1% decrease in Civil Order if you reject it.

The event actually refers to Social Unrest (SU) which is obviously the opposite of Civil Order.

It basically comes down to a battle of ( + / - ) modifiers that determine how many Production Points (PP's) you get per turn.

[New York Jets]

ORIGINAL: AH4Ever

The Bolshevik Industrialization Event

When playing the USSR this event gives the choice of a 5% increase in the War Economy along with 7% decrease in Civil Order if you accept.

Versus a 1% decrease in Civil Order if you reject it.

The event actually refers to Social Unrest (SU) which is obviously the opposite of Civil Order.

It basically comes down to a battle of ( + / - ) modifiers that determine how many Production Points (PP's) you get per turn.

Thank you very much.

I am really starting to warm up to this game.

[Marshall Thomas]

so what's the final verdict on this event? accept when at peace, but decline when at war or planning to be at war soon? Should I accept it if I'm fighting The Winter War against Finland? Thanks in advance

[Chocolino]

accept when at peace, but decline when at war

That's about it. When at war - no matter how minor - the USSR war economy rises at least to 100% without need of any additional help

The BIE can have a nasty side effect, too that I was unaware of until recently. Once it increases SU to above 50% then every turn your WE sinks an additional one per cent per turn. That is a good model of social unrest but needs to be considered when accepting. I just didn't know it existed and had to wait until the SU recovered half a per cent per turn. At the end I was back where I started.

[AH4Ever]

ORIGINAL: Marshall Thomas

so what's the final verdict on this event? accept when at peace, but decline when at war or planning to be at war soon? Should I accept it if I'm fighting The Winter War against Finland? Thanks in advance

I am now convinced that the BIE should never be accepted.


THE RESULTS ARE IN - Over 90 turns I accepted BIE once and rejected it 12 times with a loss of a potential 1160 PP's before the total modifiers finally balanced out.


Of course as with anything it is a matter of opinion but the above is my final verdict.

Any increase in production gained by accepting the event is short-lived.

Civil Order improves by 0.5% per turn the potential production lost by accepting the 7% reduction is substantial over the course of the game.

[Chocolino]

I still see the following scenario where it is beneficial to accept BIE:

The USSR reaches 100% Social Order and is at peace. Here you loose the free boon of a 0.5% SO increase that the game offers you every turn. By accepting BIE, you can get it back. While the overall PP difference may be close to a wash immediately, once you are back at 100% SO, you have a higher overall income.

But I admit that I used to play BIE wrong until AH4ever opened my eyes.

[AH4Ever]

There I was sitting around feeling good about my final verdict and...



Hoisted by my own petard.

Still while playing the '39 scenario, to reach this nirvana you speak of would take 60 to 75 turns dependent upon how many times BIE fired and was rejected.

I don't think being at peace matters as long as going to war doesn't decrease Civil Order.

I can't remember if the Winter War effects Social Unrest.

In fact it seems that Russia should go to war ASAP and stay engaged as long as it can to boost the WE.

[Chocolino]

In fact it seems that Russia should go to war ASAP and stay engaged as long as it can to boost the WE.

Fully correct in my opinion, (to the dismay of Finland and the Baltics). My argument above is a bit academic in this regard.