Da Babes Mod

[cantona2]

Spooky's?

[Buck Beach]

In the vanilla game, I don't see any Canadian merchants on the North American west coast to service her 4 coast port cities. I hope you found some to include in "Da Babes".

[Buck Beach]

From the Air Issues thread:

" (timtom) However it is recognised that the PBY ought to be able to reach PH (it's a hex short IIRC). Fear not, I'll suitably chastice the dumbo responsible.



(Buck) I don't understand. Did you mean to have it be changed so they will reach Pearl Harbor or not? As of Patch 2 they still don't reach.



(timtom) Too late to action for patch 2, sorry. Not a small thing as ALL transfer ranges has to be recomputed to avoid given any particular a/c an arbitrary advantage. It will be sorted for patch 3."

Is there any chance to get these range changes incorporated into Da Babes when it comes out? Six months till Patch 3 is a long time to wait, and then still they would have to be changed in Da Babes at that point.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Is there any chance to get these range changes incorporated into Da Babes when it comes out? Six months till Patch 3 is a long time to wait, and then still they would have to be changed in Da Babes at that point.

Likely not. There are some few areas where we ain't shy about making changes. But airplanes isn't one of them. We use the Elf/Thomas paradigm because their little fingers have forgotten more about airplanes than we have ever known.

I'll pose the question, and see what Thomas says, and maybe da Babes can anticipate patch-3 somewhat, but what the Air folks say is gonna have to be the Gospel according to Saint Elf, far as we are concerned.

Sorry Buck. Way out of our league on this one.

[Buck Beach]

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

Sorry with all the hostilities on the board, this is my pathetic attempt at humor. Seriously, not looking for an answer to the above. Please disregard.

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

Sorry with all the hostilities on the board, this is my pathetic attempt at humor. Seriously, not looking for an answer to the above. Please disregard.

I am currently pestering John about Canadian West Coast Merchants which someone suggested - probably to slow down release.

[akdreemer]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


So, when it is ready, does anyone have a recommendation on where to host it?

I could mirror it also if needed.

[Dixie]

ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


So, when it is ready, does anyone have a recommendation on where to host it?

I could mirror it also if needed.

I've got plenty of spare space available as well.

[RyanCrierie]

I can mirror it as well.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

Pretty much. Just a very few last minute tweaks on da Babes Lite.

RogueUSMC has graciously offered to host the mod. We do not want to have to do rev after rev after rev (and Rogue wouldn't appreciate it either), so we want it to be tight from the get-go.

Have a Beta-Preview available. A scenario set (with full instructions) and an Art drop-in set. Available only by sending a pm or email with a valid email return address. Will address individual beta-preview concerns, but only for a limited time, so look deep. Once we go 'live', the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune begin to take on a darker aspect.

Just a teensy weensy bit of patience. A few days.

Ciao. J&D

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

Pretty much. Just a very few last minute tweaks on da Babes Lite.

RogueUSMC has graciously offered to host the mod. We do not want to have to do rev after rev after rev (and Rogue wouldn't appreciate it either), so we want it to be tight from the get-go.

Have a Beta-Preview available. A scenario set (with full instructions) and an Art drop-in set. Available only by sending a pm or email with a valid email return address. Will address individual beta-preview concerns, but only for a limited time, so look deep. Once we go 'live', the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune begin to take on a darker aspect.

Just a teensy weensy bit of patience. A few days.

Ciao. J&D

Patience is not the only virtue that I lack.

[DuckofTindalos]

It's not?[;)]

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Patience is not the only virtue that I lack.

Don may, perhaps, lack certain virtues, but he is, after all the father, of Don's Babies.

The rest uf us may lack certain virtues, as well, but we are just midwives to what must be viewed as a Don Bowen masterpiece.

Personally, I am in awe of this man's dedication to truth and accuracy.

[Don Bowen]

Aw gee, you flatter me! But not enough to disuade me from asking for: http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/49/49033.htm

[Don Bowen]

In case you all have not yet guessed it, John is the true master of the mod. I can dig up a ship name from some obscure reference and gleefully chortle "Oh Look, a ship, a ship!". But John is the one that merges it into the OOB, determines what class is should be and what attributes, provides the artwork, and (sometimes) tells me "now that one is really too insignificant".

[Buck Beach]

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


In case you all have not yet guessed it, John is the true master of the mod. I can dig up a ship name from some obscure reference and gleefully chortle "Oh Look, a ship, a ship!". But John is the one that merges it into the OOB, determines what class is should be and what attributes, provides the artwork, and (sometimes) tells me "now that one is really too insignificant".

Well got it and looking it over. Not surprised it did not contain more than a few of the tub of ships I have discovered over the last several months, but, I am still scanning it so others may show up. This does not disappoint me in the least because after all the stuff quits hitting the fan in the regular game, I will tweak and include everything but the kitchen sink to the Da_Babes to my hearts content.

I would like to know the changes made to the devices and the locations to get a head start with my changes. Also there was some talk about trying to add some sort of adhoc or otherwise change Naval Base Force TOE to provide maybe some generic Naval Support to assist in loading and unloading ships at those bases not having any Naval Support. Was this new aspect left out as not feasible or for other reason (or is in there and I just haven't discovered it yet)?

[Kitakami]

Going through the IJN ship class database... looks VERY interesting... adds a few options, and a little breathing room in some aspects... so far I love what I see

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Well got it and looking it over. Not surprised it did not contain more than a few of the tub of ships I have discovered over the last several months, but, I am still scanning it so others may show up. This does not disappoint me in the least because after all the stuff quits hitting the fan in the regular game, I will tweak and include everything but the kitchen sink to the Da_Babes to my hearts content.

I would like to know the changes made to the devices and the locations to get a head start with my changes. Also there was some talk about trying to add some sort of adhoc or otherwise change Naval Base Force TOE to provide maybe some generic Naval Support to assist in loading and unloading ships at those bases not having any Naval Support. Was this new aspect left out as not feasible or for other reason (or is in there and I just haven't discovered it yet)?

Yes, some are there, some are not. Decided not to include them all because the majority came-and-went and were only around for a limited period, and we didn’t want to add to the withdrawal pain. 20 ships that were around an average of 6 months each is equivalent to 2.5 ships available in-game for the entire 48 month war period. I think we finally settled on 5 or 6 to keep headroom for sinkings and adjusted cargo cap so it all comes out in the wash.

If we included all the ships you found, we found, Keregurelen found, we would have ended up having to account for over 300 ship withdrawals. That was too scary even for me. Had to draw the line somewhere. But as you say, Editor City. [;)]

This is the Lite version. Playable with the standard Scen001 AI. Vast changes to BFs, HQs, Eng LCUs, organization and distribution of NavSup is in the Full version; coming soon.

Changes made to Device load costs to bring them closer to the original paradigm. Changes to LCUs were to TOEs only, to account for the LC changes, and again bring things closer to the original paradigm. No LCU slots were changed in order not to disturb the AI unduly.

[Don Bowen]

All right, all you Da Babes level historians - I am looking for detailed data on two small ships that were (at least partially) converted to tankers:

George F Downey was a World War I Laker, converted to a tanker and used by the US Army to move fuel to and around the Alaskan sector.
Nootka was a Canadian built ship, also on the Great Lakes, converted to carry some fuel and used by the British Columbia Coastal Service to support West Coast ports.

I am looking for ship's fuel and endurance, cargo capacities (liquid and bulk) and any armament data. Can you help?

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


In case you all have not yet guessed it, John is the true master of the mod. I can dig up a ship name from some obscure reference and gleefully chortle "Oh Look, a ship, a ship!". But John is the one that merges it into the OOB, determines what class is should be and what attributes, provides the artwork, and (sometimes) tells me "now that one is really too insignificant".

Well got it and looking it over. Not surprised it did not contain more than a few of the tub of ships I have discovered over the last several months, but, I am still scanning it so others may show up. This does not disappoint me in the least because after all the stuff quits hitting the fan in the regular game, I will tweak and include everything but the kitchen sink to the Da_Babes to my hearts content.

I would like to know the changes made to the devices and the locations to get a head start with my changes. Also there was some talk about trying to add some sort of adhoc or otherwise change Naval Base Force TOE to provide maybe some generic Naval Support to assist in loading and unloading ships at those bases not having any Naval Support. Was this new aspect left out as not feasible or for other reason (or is in there and I just haven't discovered it yet)?

As John points out, there are a couple of problems with including every ship that can be verified to have been in the Pacific at a certain date and time.

First of course is world wide movement. A ship might touch at a Pacific Port, then move back to the Atlantic, US West/Gulf Coast, England, Africa, then maybe an Indian Port, then do it all over again. This has been attacked since PacWar days by averaging out the ships in theatre. If 10 ships each spent some portion of their time in the Pacific, put one or two of them in and exclude the rest. Back in CHS days, when we did not have ship withdrawals, we tended to put in ships that were in the Pacific during some specific event. Ships present on December 7th if possible, or those that had some role during some campaign or another. And of course those that were lost. AE gave us ship withdrawals and returns, but only one time per ship. We have data on some ships that made several cruises into the Pacific, then right back out. Don't have the controls for this and it would not aid playability if we were to put them in. So, once again, we do averaging. That means that one can examine the database and find ships that are in that can be verified to be somewhere else at that time and ships that were in the Pacific at a specific time but are not in the OOB. I don't think anything can be done about this until some poor fool attempts to write a whole-earth World War II game.

Another issue is classing and art. Many small and interesting onsie-twosie ships might be included, but each requires a separate class and artwork. Lots of work for very little benefit. Sometimes we generalize classes - standard pacific tramp freighters in small, medium, and large for instance. Many other times we just leave them out. John and I constantly work at the boundaries of put-in/leave-out for this ship and that (currently Kaula).

And of course there is playability. Does it really help to put in a dozen coastal passenger ships that moved passengers and cargo in the Vancouver-Victoria-Tacoma triangle route? At some point even I think the detail becomes too much and playability suffers (and that is saying something!). Again, a sample here and there seems a good idea. But once again, one can find ships that were in the Pacific but are not in the OOB.

Incidentally, I too am going to take the final "babes" and make my own mod with still more detail. Only mad dogs and fools like me would ever want to play it.