Paradox aquires...AGEOD

[06 Maestro]

This is a bit of a surprise. Sometimes these events can be a good thing for both parties. In this case I think Ageod will be the clear winner-regarding sales of their games and likely reduced overhead.

Whatever people may think of PI games, they do have a lot of them and a lot of customers. I just hope they don't "stiff" owners of the original WW1 game when the new Gold version comes out. Something was promised-if reneged on, I will then be done with them. There are hundreds that bought that game well after its release with the knowledge that they would get a very low cost upgrade when the new version was complete. Corporations are suppose to honor existing contracts when they take over another company-we shall see.

In view of the past difficulties both companies have had with buggy releases, there may not be any big improvement in that area, but maybe-just maybe.

Regarding HoI add ons; the sprite pack for HoI 3 are added custom sprites. The game comes with the normal sprites. I do not feel the need to buy extra nation specific custom sprites (I don' care for sprites), but some think it is worth it. HoI 2 was a significantly different game than HoI 1 -not just an add on. The Doomsday and Armageddon were significant improvements, but they charged only 5 bucks for those-seems reasonable to me. It is true that those add ons addressed bugs also, but new features were really what those were about.

If they pulled any dirty schemes along those lines, it appears it was with Rome. I did not buy that game, so I'm just going by what I had read. It had many bugs that were not squashed until the add on. Assuming that is true, that was not very nice of them[:D].

Anyway, I hope the best for the Ageod guy's. They seemed to have a good crew that did their best to give us what we wanted. Hopefully, this will be a good thing for all concerned, including the consumer.

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

***OFF TOPIC RANT START***
I agree Mike Brough.

I also agree with Arctic Blast that add on content is fine and people who want it can buy it...however, the point he was answering to was also valid...the fact they are releasing add on content to a bug ridden game just makes me mad. I would much rather the expense and effort went into better Beta testing or fixing the core game or, at the very least, having a constant presence on the support forum with each and every logged message have at least one post from a Paradox member.

Seems like a valid point, but we really do not know if it is true. It is possible that was outsourced and not paid for before hand. It may also be that the graphics people are not involved with coding. I do not know, so I'm hesitant to hammer them on this issue.

[killroyishere]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Oh Goody... AGEOD go bye-bye...[8|]

This assumes that Paradox gives a <expletive deleted> about their customers, which they do not.

My sentiments exactly as well. Everyone go awwwwww [:(]

Wow! Another Paradox-basing thread.

basing? are we free-basing here? pass the bowl take it down 99 bases are belong to us on the wall? [:D]

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

This assumes that Paradox gives a <expletive deleted> about their customers, which they do not.

Thats why everyone who registers the HOI3 on PI forums gets a refund if they pm the ceo and request a refund.I got my money back.[:D]

[killroyishere]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

ORIGINAL: Terminus

This assumes that Paradox gives a <expletive deleted> about their customers, which they do not.

Thats why everyone who registers the HOI3 on PI forums gets a refund if they pm the ceo and request a refund.I got my money back.[:D]

That is if they can get by the gestapo moderators who ban on a whim when trying to get that information. I don't think in the history of Paradox games have I seen so many threads closed and players banned as the HOI III release.

[V22 Osprey]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

Oh, *&%$!!.

+1

[bairdlander2]

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That is if they can get by the gestapo moderators who ban on a whim when trying to get that information. I don't think in the history of Paradox games have I seen so many threads closed and players banned as the HOI III release.
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All forums have rules,such as no political discussion,no insulting others etc etc.The people that have been banned were not following the rules of the forum.I like a lot of titles from Matrix as well as PI and I think its very bad taste and kind of childish to constantly bash PI on this forum.Whats the point?Most of the bashers as well dont even own any PI games.Matrix games are also a lot less buggy(but still require patches) on release,but at the same time they are nowhere near the scope and detail of of PI games.An exception might be WitPAE,(which is at patch 8?not sure)but that only covers one theatre of war,not 130 different countries to play,with a map of the entire world.Big differance.

[MikeBrough]

ORIGINAL: Arctic Blast
MikeBrough : Why would you go back and play an older version of the game when you have a new one with tweaks and fixes? And yeah, I am planning on grabbed HttT after Christmas is over. I like the new Casus Belli overhaul, I like the improved AI use of diplomacy, I like the Sphere of Influence system and I like the changes to make playing a Merchant Republic more fun. I'd call that stuff pretty significant change.

That's my point - few people will go back and play the original EUIII, or the IN version, or Nappy's Ambition, once they've installed HttT. So, you've paid around £100 for your current game. Do you think it's worth that much?

I have a suspicion that Paradix (think I'll stick with that - thanks, Adam) roll out a beta, ask us to test it and then pay full price for the patches, thinly disguised as expansions. In some ways, it's similar to the proposed model that World in Flames was considering (haven't kept up with that game, so I can't be sure) but I also suspect that WiF won't be charging the early purchasers/beta testers full price for the patches as they come out.

[lackoo]

*off*
I only own 4 games from Paradox,bought them via DD.Stopped buying their titles,after they replied my e-mail about the language localisation of their games (digital version).The other reason their&nbsp; "let's sold more DLC instead of patches or free content" crap.

[06 Maestro]

I just saw this in the Paradox press release;

"“AGEOD will continue to operate as a self-run partner studio, with its own line of products based on the AGE-engine and its own development team while Paradox will assist with our publishing resources and networks,” Wester continued. "

Looks like it will work out well for AGEOD-I hope so.

[killroyishere]

All forums have rules,such as no political discussion,no insulting others etc etc.The people that have been banned were not following the rules of the forum

Sounds typical of a Paradox fanboy, but, I know differently. Paradox is well known for squelching threads of a negative nature of their games. HOI III just happens to be the worst one. In the state it is in I highly doubt this one will ever be patched up to a really playable state that doesn't represent anything more than real time risk.

[Titanwarrior89]

Paradox will milk a game to death, to get every penny they can and its not even ready at release. It'll be down hill from I am afraid. Matrix and Ageod are my favorite game sites. They feel like home. Oh well, we will see.

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: killroyishere

All forums have rules,such as no political discussion,no insulting others etc etc.The people that have been banned were not following the rules of the forum

Sounds typical of a Paradox fanboy, but, I know differently. Paradox is well known for squelching threads of a negative nature of their games. HOI III just happens to be the worst one. In the state it is in I highly doubt this one will ever be patched up to a really playable state that doesn't represent anything more than real time risk.

Sorry pal but that's complete nonsense. If anyone were to visit the Paradox forums, they would see PLENTY of negative threads about the game and thread after thread about bugs.

I'm no Paradox fan at the minute, but I can't sit by and watch ridiculous statements get airtime.

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: killroyishere

Sounds typical of a Paradox fanboy

Ahhh name calling,the last resort of those who cannot come up with intelligent replies in debates.As I stated the ONLY people that get banned are those who do not follow the forum rules.There are many,many threads of complaints about HOI3.In fact I have started several and Im not banned nor have my threads been closed.Though it is true when threads get to the point of people calling each other "fanboys" or worse the thread is closed.Other notable threads that have been closed are the one where the OP stated his "human rights" were violated because HOI3 is buggy or threads where OP's are making threats against PI.Others were threads of people threatening a class action lawsuit and stating they cannot function in life because HOI3 is so buggy and they cannot leave the house because of severe trauma/depression caused by HOI3 being buggy.So please know what you are talking about before making your false remarks.Are you saying that if someone comes on this forum,makes outlandish threads like the ones I mentioned above would not have said threads closed?[:)]

[killroyishere]

As I stated the ONLY people that get banned are those who do not follow the forum rules.

Sorry but the moderators themselves do not even follow the forum rules and resort to childish name calling even in their own posts. Vulture is the worst of them. But, it really makes me no nevermind. The games they actually develop speaks loads for the "non-quality" releases of Paradox games and really that's all that matters. Bickering over who gets banned or a thread deleted for what is always subjective because you can't prove I'm wrong because you weren't there when the threads I was reading got deleted. [:D] Thus you can only speculate as to why. Vulture closes them on a whim if 'he' doesn't like the topic or the way they are going and most especially when they are negative. I've been on the Paradox forums for years so I know what goes on and not just in the HOI forums, it happens in Crusader Kings, EU:Rome and EU:III as well. There's moderation and then there is over moderation to the point of dictatorship. I know the difference perhaps you don't?

Are you saying that if someone comes on this forum,makes outlandish threads like the ones I mentioned above would not have said threads closed?

If you're talking about Matrixgames forums then no not really. Only threads I've ever seen closed here dealt with politics and/or religion. As long as forumites don't get too silly with throwing mud I haven't seen Erik jump in and say "oh that's negative ban or close thread". I don't think I've ever seen a thread 'deleted' ever here though. Paradox has always been gestapolike though.

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: killroyishere

As I stated the ONLY people that get banned are those who do not follow the forum rules.

Sorry but the moderators themselves do not even follow the forum rules and resort to childish name calling even in their own posts. Vulture is the worst of them.

Please post a link with an example.As for the quality of products what you like might not what be what I like,so what?All Im saying is bashing a company because you dont like what they sell is kind of childish and doesnt really prove anything,its a matter of personal taste.If you dont like PI why are you even on their forums?If PI products are so bad why did you get them?

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: killroyishere

If you're talking about Matrixgames forums then no not really. Only threads I've ever seen closed here dealt with politics and/or religion. As long as forumites don't get too silly with throwing mud I haven't seen Erik jump in and say "oh that's negative ban or close thread".
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So you dont think someone claiming they are severely depressed/traumatized because HOI3 is buggy is not silly?Th tread was considered spam and basically a waste of time and space.When HOI3 was released there was so many posts like that,one could not even ask a question regarding gameplay.Thats why most of these threads were closed.

[killroyishere]

So you dont think someone claiming they are severely depressed/traumatized because HOI3 is buggy is not silly?

One persons silly is and can be another persons serious mental illness. One shouldn't take too lightly anyones complaints that's how those that try to tell others they are going to commit suicide end up committing it because no one would listen they thought it was 'silly'.

Also just to clarify the threads I read that eventually got deleted and some posters banned where the ones that has a topic of or like: Should I buy this now? Is it playable? Is it worth it?
Topics like those were most often either deleted or closed as more and more malcontents posted No it's a pile of crap or wait 6 months or it will never be finished. Or boycott it. I never saw a post that I felt was extreme or negative enough to be closed or deleted but Vulture and that Vlad one did and often. Of course some would reopen another thread asking why so n so thread was closed or deleted. Those that did eventually ended up banned of course.
Also let's be honest it's pretty easy to find a reason to ban anyone on any forum the way the rules are written. Ones perspective on the rules is totally different to another and mostly the moderators write their own rules as they moderate. Paradox is just way over the top in moderation imho.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel

Must be just enough suckers out there still giving them money.

I'm guilty as charged. [:(]

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel

Must be just enough suckers out there still giving them money.

[:(]
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Kind of like when Matrix calls Commander Europe at War "new" when i recall a game from 2002 called Strategic Command Europe (www.battlefront.com/products/stratcom/stratcom.html) with exact same map,graphics,sound and interface(sorry the tech screen was different).As well as Close Combat series and ED/BTR[:D][:D]which came out in 1994[:D][:D]