Combat Leader: Bang for BUCK?

[Les_the_Sarge_9_1]

I have business experience, yes actual business experience.

If an item is worth 20 bucks in the mind of the consumer, then the consumer expects it to be sold for 20 bucks. This is not the same as whining about the price though.
Selling it for 10 bucks will yield the same response as selling it for 30.

I had expected to sell coffee tables when I first started developing my business plan. I figured hmmm sell a 250 dollar table for 150 and make a killing if the table only costs me 75 to make.

The problem though, is if the consumer thinks the table is worth 250, then 150 well raise alarm bells "whats wrong with it?".

During the tail end of the 80's we lost more businesses that cut prices to far, than we did businesses that stayed as they were.
Consumers expect a product to be priced correctly regardless of how tight their budget is.

Charles, it is no cheaper to make a board game than a computer game. Both take massive amounts of research to be accurate. Computer games need to be coded so what, the graphics for board games regardless of how simple looking, don't leap out of thin air either.
My original comment though was, it is not impossible to make great games for the southern half of the war in the West.

Matrix is indeed selling to wargamers, not people that just happen to have "some wargames".
A wargamer doesn't see games the same way as "casual gamers".

I have ASL and all the things for it and have paid currently a sum of money that is like 2000+ dollars!!! It was not a single purchase of course. But the price tag for my complete collection is not some paltry 60 bucks.

60 bucks for a computer game on par with ASL, heck no real wargamer is even going to consider saying it is to expensive.
Even 100 bucks is not to expensive.

[Colonel von Blitz]

Originally posted by Voriax

120$ for a game? It better be darn good for that price.

Voriax

90$-120$ that's way out of my budget

Even 60$ is right on the upper limit and I consider that an extremely expensive game.

I hope you Matrix guys get an European distributor...

Btw, new games cost already around 50-55$ here so compared to that 60$ isn't that much.

Also, I've bought new games and found that they cost usually 45$-50$...where did you bought your EXPENSIVE games, Voriax?!? (Let me guess: Anttila )

-Colonel-

[Voriax]

Originally posted by Colonel von Blitz

Also, I've bought new games and found that they cost usually 45$-50$...where did you bought your EXPENSIVE games, Voriax?!? (Let me guess: Anttila )

-Colonel- [/B]

Where did I mentioned that I paid that sum? Besides, 50-55 euros seem to be common asking price for new games, based on browsing some Finnish game store web pages.

Voriax

[Colonel von Blitz]

Originally posted by Voriax
50-55 euros seem to be common asking price for new games, based on browsing some Finnish game store web pages.

This sum is quite usual, though I find that this 50$+ price is meant for ignorant parents and for grand-mothers, who buy the game for the 12-year-old kid

It took me 2 minutes to find, for example, that just released Mafia costs 41$ (even if you order it via mail, there will be no postage charged if you pay it in advan, or pay it with VISA)

Also, I never paid more than 35$ for Combat Mission.

One just has to know where to buy the games

-Colonel-

[Les_the_Sarge_9_1]

When you get a place to stay, it's either a rented room, a dump or an acceptable level location.
The rooms, dumps and acceptable places often don't have much difference in price either eh.

400 for the room, 500 for the dump or 650 for an entire house like in my case here. between 400 and 650 we go all the way from a lousy room, right up to a full home (some suck, some don't). My place for instance while an entire home, has wiring that is a joke (can't even run a table saw off the outlets here).

Of course buying a place can be anywhere from god only knows what for a shack equivalent, to 200,000.00 for us common people (I am ignoring idiotic priced rich people homes).

Then we have modes of transport. You can get a bike from 5 bucks at auction actually. Or a wreck for a few hundred bucks. Used for a few thousand, right up to a nice new car for hmm to many variables here lets say 20k (hey I don't know much about cars).

Food, well I don't smoke drink gamble or do "substances". So I actually eat well for a person in my income bracket.
You can live on Kraft Dinner if you want. Or eat a real steak once a week, milk as often as you like, bread like it was free, and cook meals cause it amuses you.

Just what the heck is my point.

Well Combat Leader costing 60 bucks US means only that it's not a bargain bin purchase.
You won't be getting it for a paltry 25 bucks like some new games that were just not that hard to make.
It won't be the average 40-50 dollar game, because it ISN'T an average game!!
You won't be finding it as a free download anytime soon, nor is it likely you will find it discounted in a store that gets it in bulk.

Why should anyone assume that a game that will compare nicely with a 4 inch 16 oz choice steak, should cost the same as a damned Big Mac??!!

I have paid out sums ranging from the low 40s up to the average 80s for ASL modules with absolutely no problem (and I would have to go count them just to know how many I have there are so many). And I did it willingly. I did it knowing that there are lots of full complete wargames out there for 40 bucks average.

Does it make ASL unreasonably expensive, if it is priced well beyond a common wargame? Nope, not at all. ASL is a porche wargame.

If you want Kraft Dinner grade wargames, fine, enjoy your Kraft Dinner grade wargames (hey I like KD, but it costs less than a buck a serving while a good steak doesn't).

I think saying Combat Leader is too expensive, is indicative of wanting something for nothing to much. I think comparing Porches to Ladas is also not going to get anyone interested.

If you can't afford a Porche game, just accept it. But don't try to convince Porche to make Lada grade Porches:)

[ivantheterrible]

I will pay $60 for CL when it comes out.

[Colonel von Blitz]

~60$ for Combat Leader, though it's on the upper limit of my budget, I'll probably buy it anyway (and eat macaroni and tuna for few months ). At the moment though this sum "frightens" me somewhat, since no-one really knows what CL will be...maybe if wargaming community gets their hand on a demo version someday...

But in any case, I'm not ready to pay millions of dollars for delivery to Europe, like it was with Mega Campaigns. This is where Matrix has to do better than with MCs. I know A LOT of potential customers who simply ignored MCs altogether because delivery costs were too high. Maybe "pay first, then download" version should be made available in future

-Colonel-