Swenslim: That is naturally true. However I never keep my divebombers below 10 000 feet and that was not the occasion here either.
They actually were all flying at 10 000 feet... same as in the forthcoming turn. I don't know how the combat.txt file is created but those alltitudes are incorrect in the report.
I think the bad results were due to bad weather and bad dice rolls. Hopefully the weather is other way round next time.
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RE: September 1942
Swenslim and Aztez - I think the DB's release their bombs at 1000 feet, at the end of their dive. But that doesn't indicate their raid altitude. Same with the TB's, which release at 200 feet, even though you can't set 200 feet as a raid altitude.
RE: September 1942
cfulbright: I think you are correct with that assumption regarding the combat.txt file.
I just ran the combat replay turn and it was an mixed bag. Things didn't evolve as we would have liked.
There is no pics availabe since I will get the turn tomorrow but here is an summary of the battle fought around Umnak Island.
The operation Tango will now be concluded after these actions.
Aleutians (september 25th and 26th 1942)
The surface combat action:
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 4,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CL Katori, Shell hits 8
CL Kiso, Shell hits 3
CL Kitakami
DD Yamagumo, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Umikaze
Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Shell hits 4
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Helm
DD Mugford
DD Henley, Shell hits 1
DD Patterson, Shell hits 1
DD Maury
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CM Tsugaru, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CM Sokuten, Shell hits 2
CM Shirakami, Shell hits 2, on fire
CM Hirashima, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Helm, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 7,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
AV Akitsushima
CL Yura, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Asagiri
DD Mikazuki
E Kiku
DMS W-13
DMS W-15
DMS W-19
DMS W-20
PB Chiyo Maru #4, Shell hits 3
PB Kyo Maru #8, Shell hits 2
SC Ch 10
SC Ch 12
SC Ch 15, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Erimo
AO Hayamoto
AK Hirokawa Maru
AK Sado Maru
AK Kyushu Maru
AK Akagi Maru
AK Arima Maru
AK Awazisan Maru
AK Ayatosan Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
AK Azumasan Maru
xAK Kansai Maru
xAK Kinai Maru
AK Nankai Maru
AV Sanyo Maru
xAK Aobasan Maru
xAK Yamagiri Maru
xAK Zenyo Maru
xAK Nissan Maru
xAK Nako Maru
xAK Noto Maru
xAK Nissyu Maru
xAK Johore Maru
xAK Keisho Maru
xAK Syoka Maru
xAK Terushima Maru
xAK Osaka Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Seian Maru
xAK Hankow Maru
xAK Koto Maru
xAK Tamashima Maru
xAK Kasagi Maru
xAK Maya Maru
xAK Rokko Maru
xAK Zuiko Maru
SC CHa-37, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
SC CHa-36, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAP Kongo Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
LSD Akitsu Maru, Shell hits 1
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy, Shell hits 1
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Helm, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CL Yura, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Mikazuki
SC Ch 15, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Osaka Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hokaze
AR Akashi, Shell hits 1
AKE Terukawa Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Bushu Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 8,000 Yards
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses
Japanese Ships
CL Katori, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
CL Kiso, Shell hits 30, and is sunk
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Shell hits 10, on fire
CA Quincy
CA Exeter, Shell hits 1
CL Trenton, Shell hits 1
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
Aircraft carrier action:
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,52
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 1
F4F-3A Wildcat x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD-2 Dauntless x 3
TBD-1 Devastator x 7
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
Allied aircraft losses
TBD-1 Devastator: 4 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
xAK Nako Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hatsuharu
AK Azumasan Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
3 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
7 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Chuginadak Island at 168,53
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD-2 Dauntless x 4
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-2 Dauntless: 4 damaged
Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,51
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD-3 Dauntless x 26
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Mikazuki
DD Hokaze
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 5000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,52
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 4 destroyed
Japanese Ships
AK Azumasan Maru, and is sunk
Japanese ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
CAP engaged:
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dutch Harbor at 171,53
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 60 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
B5N2 Kate x 30
D3A1 Val x 72
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 9
F4F-3A Wildcat x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 17 damaged
D3A1 Val: 13 destroyed, 28 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Illustrious
BB Mississippi
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
CA Chicago
CVL Hermes
DD Preston
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
16 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
11 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
No.880 Sqn FAA with Sea Hurricane Ib (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
VMF-212 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 3 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dutch Harbor at 171,52
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31
B5N2 Kate x 76
D3A1 Val x 49
Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 16
F4F-4 Wildcat x 43
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 28 destroyed, 22 damaged
D3A1 Val: 16 destroyed, 14 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3A Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 1
CA Chester
BB South Dakota, Torpedo hits 2
CA Northampton
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
12 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
14 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
12 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-212 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-3 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-111 with F4F-3A Wildcat (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 4 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-221 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 4 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
11 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 168,51
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 64 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 49
A6M2-N Rufe x 9
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
TBD-1 Devastator x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
TBD-1 Devastator: 4 destroyed
CAP engaged:
5th Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 32810.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 4000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 57 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 168,51
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
A6M2-N Rufe x 7
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD-2 Dauntless x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 4 destroyed
CAP engaged:
5th Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 50 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minut
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dutch Harbor at 171,53
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 21
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 13 damaged
Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
CA Astoria
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
CAP engaged:
No.880 Sqn FAA with Sea Hurricane Ib (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Raid is overhead
Conclusion:
That is how things ended on september 26th evening.
It seems that at least CV Hornet is done for but rest of the carriers should be ok if this combat.txt file is to believed. CV Yorktown, CV Saratoga and CV Illustrious are damaged but most likely fully operational.
BB Missisippi seems to be toasted as well or at least heavily damaged. Too early to tell how BB South Dakota got hammered. The brave BB Warspite is propably in need for repairs as well but that TF did what it was sent out to do.
Japanese lost another 80-120 aircraft either damaged or destroyed. Same can be said on the allied side of things.
The 2nd turn strikes got dispersed to the numerous damaged japanese vessels around Umnak Island while the japanese got 2 strikes well coordinated.
It also was quite obvious that Dave had significant numbers in terms of infantry ready to jump onto Aleutians.
Hope you all enjoyed the action. Personally somewhat shell shocked so hard to say how I feel about this slaughter.
I just ran the combat replay turn and it was an mixed bag. Things didn't evolve as we would have liked.
There is no pics availabe since I will get the turn tomorrow but here is an summary of the battle fought around Umnak Island.
The operation Tango will now be concluded after these actions.
Aleutians (september 25th and 26th 1942)
The surface combat action:
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 4,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CL Katori, Shell hits 8
CL Kiso, Shell hits 3
CL Kitakami
DD Yamagumo, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Umikaze
Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Shell hits 4
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Helm
DD Mugford
DD Henley, Shell hits 1
DD Patterson, Shell hits 1
DD Maury
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CM Tsugaru, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CM Sokuten, Shell hits 2
CM Shirakami, Shell hits 2, on fire
CM Hirashima, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Helm, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 7,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
AV Akitsushima
CL Yura, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Asagiri
DD Mikazuki
E Kiku
DMS W-13
DMS W-15
DMS W-19
DMS W-20
PB Chiyo Maru #4, Shell hits 3
PB Kyo Maru #8, Shell hits 2
SC Ch 10
SC Ch 12
SC Ch 15, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Erimo
AO Hayamoto
AK Hirokawa Maru
AK Sado Maru
AK Kyushu Maru
AK Akagi Maru
AK Arima Maru
AK Awazisan Maru
AK Ayatosan Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
AK Azumasan Maru
xAK Kansai Maru
xAK Kinai Maru
AK Nankai Maru
AV Sanyo Maru
xAK Aobasan Maru
xAK Yamagiri Maru
xAK Zenyo Maru
xAK Nissan Maru
xAK Nako Maru
xAK Noto Maru
xAK Nissyu Maru
xAK Johore Maru
xAK Keisho Maru
xAK Syoka Maru
xAK Terushima Maru
xAK Osaka Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Seian Maru
xAK Hankow Maru
xAK Koto Maru
xAK Tamashima Maru
xAK Kasagi Maru
xAK Maya Maru
xAK Rokko Maru
xAK Zuiko Maru
SC CHa-37, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
SC CHa-36, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAP Kongo Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
LSD Akitsu Maru, Shell hits 1
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy, Shell hits 1
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Helm, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CL Yura, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Mikazuki
SC Ch 15, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Osaka Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hokaze
AR Akashi, Shell hits 1
AKE Terukawa Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Bushu Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
Allied Ships
BB Warspite
CA Quincy
CA Exeter
CL Trenton
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Umnak Island at 169,51, Range 8,000 Yards
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses
Japanese Ships
CL Katori, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
CL Kiso, Shell hits 30, and is sunk
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Shell hits 10, on fire
CA Quincy
CA Exeter, Shell hits 1
CL Trenton, Shell hits 1
CL Concord
DD Gwin
DD Blue
DD Mugford
DD Henley
DD Patterson
DD Maury
Aircraft carrier action:
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,52
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 1
F4F-3A Wildcat x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD-2 Dauntless x 3
TBD-1 Devastator x 7
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
Allied aircraft losses
TBD-1 Devastator: 4 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
xAK Nako Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hatsuharu
AK Azumasan Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
3 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
7 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Chuginadak Island at 168,53
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD-2 Dauntless x 4
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-2 Dauntless: 4 damaged
Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,51
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD-3 Dauntless x 26
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Mikazuki
DD Hokaze
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 5000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,52
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 7
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 4 destroyed
Japanese Ships
AK Azumasan Maru, and is sunk
Japanese ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
CAP engaged:
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dutch Harbor at 171,53
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 60 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
B5N2 Kate x 30
D3A1 Val x 72
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 9
F4F-3A Wildcat x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 17 damaged
D3A1 Val: 13 destroyed, 28 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Illustrious
BB Mississippi
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
CA Chicago
CVL Hermes
DD Preston
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
16 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
11 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
No.880 Sqn FAA with Sea Hurricane Ib (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
VMF-212 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 3 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dutch Harbor at 171,52
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31
B5N2 Kate x 76
D3A1 Val x 49
Allied aircraft
F4F-3A Wildcat x 16
F4F-4 Wildcat x 43
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 28 destroyed, 22 damaged
D3A1 Val: 16 destroyed, 14 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3A Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 1
CA Chester
BB South Dakota, Torpedo hits 2
CA Northampton
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
12 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
14 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
12 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-71 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-212 with F4F-3A Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-3 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-111 with F4F-3A Wildcat (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 4 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VMF-221 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 4 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
11 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 168,51
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 64 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 49
A6M2-N Rufe x 9
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
TBD-1 Devastator x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
TBD-1 Devastator: 4 destroyed
CAP engaged:
5th Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 32810.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 4000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 57 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 168,51
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
A6M2-N Rufe x 7
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD-2 Dauntless x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 4 destroyed
CAP engaged:
5th Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 50 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Raid is overhead
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minut
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Dutch Harbor at 171,53
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 21
Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 13 damaged
Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
CA Astoria
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
CAP engaged:
No.880 Sqn FAA with Sea Hurricane Ib (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Raid is overhead
Conclusion:
That is how things ended on september 26th evening.
It seems that at least CV Hornet is done for but rest of the carriers should be ok if this combat.txt file is to believed. CV Yorktown, CV Saratoga and CV Illustrious are damaged but most likely fully operational.
BB Missisippi seems to be toasted as well or at least heavily damaged. Too early to tell how BB South Dakota got hammered. The brave BB Warspite is propably in need for repairs as well but that TF did what it was sent out to do.
Japanese lost another 80-120 aircraft either damaged or destroyed. Same can be said on the allied side of things.
The 2nd turn strikes got dispersed to the numerous damaged japanese vessels around Umnak Island while the japanese got 2 strikes well coordinated.
It also was quite obvious that Dave had significant numbers in terms of infantry ready to jump onto Aleutians.
Hope you all enjoyed the action. Personally somewhat shell shocked so hard to say how I feel about this slaughter.
RE: September 1942
Hmmmm, I just opened the combat summary from the game save folder.
The report posted earlier on september 24th was from the combat.txt.
The file I now checked since wanted to confirm few things was the .txt with the date on it.
It showed the allied raid as following...
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,51
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 64 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 83
A6M2-N Rufe x 2
Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 12
Sea Hurricane Ib x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 33
SBD-2 Dauntless x 23
SBD-3 Dauntless x 53
TBD-1 Devastator x 15
TBF-1 Avenger x 45
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged
Sea Hurricane Ib: 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 8 destroyed
SBD-2 Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 11 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 15 destroyed, 20 damaged
TBD-1 Devastator: 7 destroyed, 4 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 6 destroyed, 14 damaged
Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CV Zuikaku
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1
CA Furutaka
DD Yamagumo
DD Asagao
DD Hatsuharu
DD Nenohi
CV Soryu
CV Kaga
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
12 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
2 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
1 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
9 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
1 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 5000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
14 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
8 x Albacore I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
6 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
10 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 5000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
Yokohama Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 57 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
5th Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 59 minutes
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 12 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 62 minutes
10 planes vectored on to bombers
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
8 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Shokaku
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Hiyo
...go figure. If this to be believed than CV Shokaku, CV Hiyo and CV Akagi were damaged.
Damn, I hate the FOW sometimes! [:D]
I guess time will tell what actually happened.
The report posted earlier on september 24th was from the combat.txt.
The file I now checked since wanted to confirm few things was the .txt with the date on it.
It showed the allied raid as following...
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 169,51
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 64 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 83
A6M2-N Rufe x 2
Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 12
Sea Hurricane Ib x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 33
SBD-2 Dauntless x 23
SBD-3 Dauntless x 53
TBD-1 Devastator x 15
TBF-1 Avenger x 45
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged
Sea Hurricane Ib: 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 8 destroyed
SBD-2 Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 11 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 15 destroyed, 20 damaged
TBD-1 Devastator: 7 destroyed, 4 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 6 destroyed, 14 damaged
Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CV Zuikaku
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1
CA Furutaka
DD Yamagumo
DD Asagao
DD Hatsuharu
DD Nenohi
CV Soryu
CV Kaga
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
12 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
2 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
1 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
9 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
1 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 5000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
14 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
8 x Albacore I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
6 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
10 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 6000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless diving from 5000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless diving from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
Yokohama Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 57 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
5th Ku S-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 59 minutes
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 12 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 62 minutes
10 planes vectored on to bombers
Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
8 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Shokaku
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Hiyo
...go figure. If this to be believed than CV Shokaku, CV Hiyo and CV Akagi were damaged.
Damn, I hate the FOW sometimes! [:D]
I guess time will tell what actually happened.
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offenseman
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RE: September 1942
While your capital ships losses/damaged were high, if you really did do some damage to those three CVs, it was worth it. That and the loss of so many pilots! Heavy smoke obscuring Hiyo and Shokaku seem to lend credibility to the BDA.
Warspite's groups did well. It was a shame it did not sink more AKs as that can really hurt IJs war effort even in the short term, but it was better than nothing.
Take heart, this might have been a pyrrhic victory similar to the real Battle of Coral Sea. Hang in there Aztez!
Warspite's groups did well. It was a shame it did not sink more AKs as that can really hurt IJs war effort even in the short term, but it was better than nothing.
Take heart, this might have been a pyrrhic victory similar to the real Battle of Coral Sea. Hang in there Aztez!
Sometimes things said in Nitwit sound very different in English.
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krupp_88mm
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RE: September 1942
could have been alot worse.. i think in late 1942 battles of attrition are favorable for you..
RE: September 1942
Interesting what for did he moved so many xAK into this area ???? Japan has a lot AP's and in june he could convert a lot fast xAK into AK wich makes his landing operations very quick - 1-3 turns and gone.
RE: September 1942
KB will be awfully weak for some time - time to strike elsewhere!
RE: September 1942
offenseman: Yeah. We will assess the damage within few turns. More on this a bit later on.
It would be nice if that report regarding CV Hiyo and CV Shokaku was correct but with this new FOW system you cannot tell for sure. Fingers crossed though.
BB Warspite was definately the hero of the day. Happy report that she is live and well with only minor damage taken.
As for the AK's. Absolutely, but it really was not bad even without those ships sunk.
At the moment pyrrhic victory is very well said.
krupp_88mm: I know and this was an calculated risk from the get go.
If we shot down even 75% of those aircraft that were reported than job very well done.
Swenslim: That seemed odd to me too. Those ships might have carried supplies and he is busy advancing in Australian front. The spearhead closing in Alice Springs and Cooktown.
Fishbed: Hopefully that is the case. I have set objectives for ground units with variable objectives since I haven't decieded where to hit first.
Here is an pic from the aircraft losses screen detailing the losses...
It would be nice if that report regarding CV Hiyo and CV Shokaku was correct but with this new FOW system you cannot tell for sure. Fingers crossed though.
BB Warspite was definately the hero of the day. Happy report that she is live and well with only minor damage taken.
As for the AK's. Absolutely, but it really was not bad even without those ships sunk.
At the moment pyrrhic victory is very well said.
krupp_88mm: I know and this was an calculated risk from the get go.
If we shot down even 75% of those aircraft that were reported than job very well done.
Swenslim: That seemed odd to me too. Those ships might have carried supplies and he is busy advancing in Australian front. The spearhead closing in Alice Springs and Cooktown.
Fishbed: Hopefully that is the case. I have set objectives for ground units with variable objectives since I haven't decieded where to hit first.
Here is an pic from the aircraft losses screen detailing the losses...
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RE: September 1942
The loss figure for the Val is strange. Counting both strikes, there were only 120+ planes out there - and even adding destroyed planes to damaged ones + ops losses, we don't go beyond 80+... Was there some Val action elsewhere on the very same day?
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krupp_88mm
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RE: September 1942
aztez i noticed you have replied to every single person no matter what...
RE: September 1942
Fishbed: I noticed that too and FOW fluctates the losses quite substantially.
The number could be correct IF one of his carriers went to the bottom though. Or at least quite accurate.
Dave did not comment his losses for obvious reasons so no means to confirm any of these.
krupp_88mm: Oh, I'am just trying to be polite since people are taking time reading these threads.
The number could be correct IF one of his carriers went to the bottom though. Or at least quite accurate.
Dave did not comment his losses for obvious reasons so no means to confirm any of these.
krupp_88mm: Oh, I'am just trying to be polite since people are taking time reading these threads.
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krupp_88mm
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RE: September 1942
lol i knew you would reply to that message
RE: September 1942
The Vals a FOW for sure. After a few days the reported losses tend to go down.
Too bad you scored not a single torp hit. I was expecting some with all those Avengers.
Shell shocked is probably the right term looking at the carnage but heads up Aztez, I think you
put another dent in the IJN air arm.
Any news on how the new patch changes the situation in China?
Too bad you scored not a single torp hit. I was expecting some with all those Avengers.
Shell shocked is probably the right term looking at the carnage but heads up Aztez, I think you
put another dent in the IJN air arm.
Any news on how the new patch changes the situation in China?
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cfulbright
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RE: September 1942
"The number could be correct IF one of his carriers went to the bottom though"
If the planes went to the bottom with a sunk carrier, they would be listed as "Ground" losses. The aircraft loss screen doesn't show significant Ground losses.
If the planes went to the bottom with a sunk carrier, they would be listed as "Ground" losses. The aircraft loss screen doesn't show significant Ground losses.
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Rob Brennan UK
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RE: September 1942
Lawks a Lordy .. I've been silent recently as i thought this move was a major gamble/mistake by the allies but i am very happy to be proved wrong. thats KB's elite in the drink for certain now. sure he'll have a few elite left but from now on his CV's won't have the teeth they used to.
congrats. [&o]
krupp_88mm-- Aztez seems to have infinite patience and politeness bordering on the angelic/saintly. Most probably why this is so well read given the hit count [;)]
Whats the plan now aztez ? retire to fix up the dents on the west coast and try and bolster Kodiak and anchorage ? or just fight with whats there and hope he grinds to a halt sooner or later. If you could scrounge up another SC TF from CV escorts and throw them into the landings now his SC screen seems to have been hammered you might get to the transports ?? maybe ?? and its not as if your going to run out of CL's and DD's anytime soon [;)]
congrats. [&o]
krupp_88mm-- Aztez seems to have infinite patience and politeness bordering on the angelic/saintly. Most probably why this is so well read given the hit count [;)]
Whats the plan now aztez ? retire to fix up the dents on the west coast and try and bolster Kodiak and anchorage ? or just fight with whats there and hope he grinds to a halt sooner or later. If you could scrounge up another SC TF from CV escorts and throw them into the landings now his SC screen seems to have been hammered you might get to the transports ?? maybe ?? and its not as if your going to run out of CL's and DD's anytime soon [;)]
sorry for the spelling . English is my main language , I just can't type . and i'm too lazy to edit 
RE: September 1942
krupp_88mm: [:D]
LoBaron: That seems to be the case with AE. Eventhough the aircraft/pilot losses are high for sure. As for good thing my pilots are still in good shape though with +60 experience.
The Avengers didn't perform as well as expected than again maybe they did hit something but FOW did hide it.
I will post an pic from with some details when I get the turn back. Overall the bases don't seem to have much supplies but troops are supplied better.
More on that when the turn arrives.
cfullbright: Ok. Never actually checked how these were reported.
Rob: I know and to be honest this was an gamble. I had 2nd thoughts many times when these ships were travelling towards Aluetians. You guys who said caution is the best move were propably right in most cases.
I think I will retire my forces for now. I have already ordered my troops to prepare for several targets around the pacific since I'am not yet decieded on where to hit next. It will take some to build up preparation points for these so no need to hurry.
Yeah, I could muster another SC TF but the risks might not be worth the gains though since I would need to provide some carrier aircover for these raids and he still has an BB TF that contains 3 battleships in the area. This TF was not engaged in previous actions.
He seems to be advancing towards Southern Australia too so I might send in some reinforcements from India or US there. This decision needs to be made soon. Than again I could let him advance and hammer him elsewhere... decisions, decisions.
I did not get the turn last night nor this morning so hopefully we have detailed update tonight.
LoBaron: That seems to be the case with AE. Eventhough the aircraft/pilot losses are high for sure. As for good thing my pilots are still in good shape though with +60 experience.
The Avengers didn't perform as well as expected than again maybe they did hit something but FOW did hide it.
I will post an pic from with some details when I get the turn back. Overall the bases don't seem to have much supplies but troops are supplied better.
More on that when the turn arrives.
cfullbright: Ok. Never actually checked how these were reported.
Rob: I know and to be honest this was an gamble. I had 2nd thoughts many times when these ships were travelling towards Aluetians. You guys who said caution is the best move were propably right in most cases.
I think I will retire my forces for now. I have already ordered my troops to prepare for several targets around the pacific since I'am not yet decieded on where to hit next. It will take some to build up preparation points for these so no need to hurry.
Yeah, I could muster another SC TF but the risks might not be worth the gains though since I would need to provide some carrier aircover for these raids and he still has an BB TF that contains 3 battleships in the area. This TF was not engaged in previous actions.
He seems to be advancing towards Southern Australia too so I might send in some reinforcements from India or US there. This decision needs to be made soon. Than again I could let him advance and hammer him elsewhere... decisions, decisions.
I did not get the turn last night nor this morning so hopefully we have detailed update tonight.
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krupp_88mm
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RE: September 1942
i gotta be completely honest aztez i think erstad has got you beat.. but good luck
RE: September 1942
wait, what?
He just lost a CV (are we even sure Hornet is dead?), and Erstad lost three deckloads of planes. Fair trade in 1942 in my book.
He just lost a CV (are we even sure Hornet is dead?), and Erstad lost three deckloads of planes. Fair trade in 1942 in my book.
RE: September 1942
ORIGINAL: krupp_88mm
i gotta be completely honest aztez i think erstad has got you beat.. but good luck
Aztez is far from beaten krupp. [;)]
Its only ´42 and hes already making advances very costly for Japan. Don´t overestimate the Japanese capabilities in the later
years, most of all when the CV´s squads are drained of the early war elite pilots and the supply lines are streched to the limit...