Insane Steam Holiday Sale

[V22 Osprey]

I am willing to change my opinion on Steam, though what would I do with all my valve games?Also, I want to play Half Life 2 Episode 3.(if it ever comes out) I would be with you guys but I *love* the Half Life Series.Oh, and lets not forget Counter Strike Source, the best Multiplayer FPS of all time.(IMO)

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

I am willing to change my opinion on Steam, though what would I do with all my valve games?Also, I want to play Half Life 2 Episode 3.(if it ever comes out) I would be with you guys but I *love* the Half Life Series.Oh, and lets not forget Counter Strike Source, the best Multiplayer FPS of all time.(IMO)

I know exactly what you mean. I had to make that decision two and a half years ago with about ten games from Steam. Heck, if you haven't had any problems, play the games out that you like and taper off of them. Quit them slowly like a drug habit. [;)]

When I came on and said what I did about disliking (hating) Steam, it was personal with them, not anyone that likes (loves) them. They offer a good service, but not the kind that I believe in for myself. Kind of like white and dark chocolate. Neither is bad, but I sure do have a preference.

[Arctic Blast]

And that's fine. To be clear, I have zero problem with someone choosing not to use Steam, or any of the other digital retail platforms for that matter. I only become annoyed when it's done as it was by NefariousKoel on the first page.

And incidentally Larry, I didn't post the question about Steam vs. Impulse for any other reason than I've seen A LOT of people complain about Steam for being access control to their games and presenting the scenario of being one account ban away from losing access to their purchases there...but then praising Impulse to the high heavens, which makes no sense. In no way was that meant as anything more than just a question.

Anyway, overall this has actually been a pretty good conversation. In the end, it comes down to one simple thing (as everything else does), learn what you can and make up your own mind. [:)]

[JudgeDredd]

If there's something on Steam I would like and I can't get it anywhere else for similar or better price, Steam will get my money. At the end of the day, I just want to play games and I might have one or two issues with Steam, but generally, in the several years I've been using them, they've brought me trouble free gaming.

[htuna]

Original: ckammp
I see when you quoted me you edited out the smileys from my original post, to make it seem like an attack on you and other Steam users. Real classy move.

Reading posts from people like you convince me how right I am to never use Steam.

I did not 'edit out any smileys'.. just copy and pasted.. since I'm not copying the 'code', the smileys don't transfer over [;)]

[htuna]

looking around noticed other smileys stay in.. maybe it's cause I use Chrome.... I did not intentionally edit to 'remove' though.. just copy and pasted...

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Arctic Blast
And that's fine. To be clear, I have zero problem with someone choosing not to use Steam, or any of the other digital retail platforms for that matter. I only become annoyed when it's done as it was by NefariousKoel on the first page.

That was a cruel one for sure.

ORIGINAL: Arctic Blast
And incidentally Larry, I didn't post the question about Steam vs. Impulse for any other reason than I've seen A LOT of people complain about Steam for being access control to their games and presenting the scenario of being one account ban away from losing access to their purchases there...but then praising Impulse to the high heavens, which makes no sense. In no way was that meant as anything more than just a question.

I figured that to be the case. However, I have thought about Impulse not being around and someday I expect to lose another ten games in the fallout. Services like this have one thing in common, if they go under then so do we. It's like throwing your save disks in the trash.

ORIGINAL: Arctic Blast
Anyway, overall this has actually been a pretty good conversation. In the end, it comes down to one simple thing (as everything else does), learn what you can and make up your own mind. [:)]

Good way to put it, and I agree! [;)]

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

Original: ckammp
I see when you quoted me you edited out the smileys from my original post, to make it seem like an attack on you and other Steam users. Real classy move.

Reading posts from people like you convince me how right I am to never use Steam.

I did not 'edit out any smileys'.. just copy and pasted.. since I'm not copying the 'code', the smileys don't transfer over [;)]

I've done the same thing. If you use "Quote" you get everything except the tag line.

[htuna]

So how do guys do 'quote'?

[htuna]

Original: JudgeDredd

If there's something on Steam I would like and I can't get it anywhere else for similar or better price, Steam will get my money. At the end of the day, I just want to play games and I might have one or two issues with Steam, but generally, in the several years I've been using them, they've brought me trouble free gaming.

LOL Judge, Steam is nothing compared to this new addiction we signed up for "Rise of Flight"!!.. Logged on to a server in Russia, even to play single player.. and it has to run as Admin in Windows 7 cause it starts with an autoupdater!!!!

Now in this situation I feel nervous.. will have to remember to never do any 'financial' things on my 'gaming' PC..

On the other hand though, the game is awesome!!!.. and the price was right! (Thanks who ever posted that Direct 2 Drive link about 50% off!)

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

So how do guys do 'quote'?

You should see three buttons on the top of each message:



Click the middle one.

[htuna]

ok.. so is it cause I use that 'fast reply' box at the bottom?

[htuna]

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

ok.. so is it cause I use that 'fast reply' box at the bottom?

Cool.. now I understand... again.. I didn't intentionally go in and edit and remove smileys, just didn't understand the Quote process ...thanks

Also that is so much easier as well, so really thanks!!!

[LarryP]

Looking good now! You got it. [:)]

[Zakhal]

ORIGINAL: LarryP

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

ORIGINAL: LarryP
My main PC got some viruses from Steam in 2007 and during that ordeal I used their customer support.

I could imagine a false positive but real viruses from steam downloads? Its hard to believe.

Well like always I'm lying again. I do that you know. I come on here and throw out a bunch of made up lies. It excites me! Woo hoo!

Perhaps you were simply mistaken? I dont mean to offend you but if one stranger in internet claims that he gets viruses from steam I would not believe him simply based on his claim. Thats just how it is.

[06 Maestro]

As much as I would like to get Rome TW Gold for 2.50-I am not doing it. My computer will stay Steam free.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

Perhaps you were simply mistaken? I dont mean to offend you but if one stranger in internet claims that he gets viruses from steam I would not believe him simply based on his claim. Thats just how it is.

Thank you for saying it that way. [:)] Knowing what I know now about all forms of Internet intrusions, if anyone were to tell me they even think they got a trojan, virus, or malware from a site, I would be careful. I don't even have to go to a web site to get infected. All I have to do is have my PC connected to the Internet through a broadband or dialup connectoin without a good firewall configured correctly and they can come to me. It's gotten that bad. With all of the ports in a computer, it's an open freeway for intrusions without good protection.

The thread I posted here about the Steam incident was back in about April or May (I think April though) of 2007. I don't remember every detail of it now but I do remember that I had done a thorough virus check right before connecting to Steam to play Disciples, and right after I got done I scanned again and I had gotten several infections. It was so bad I had to do a reinstall of XP. Then of course when Steam customer support finally got back to me, a long time later, they denied even the possibility. I expected nothing less, they have a business and a name to protect, and sad to say, most people DO lie.

Could it have been from a hacker at the same time? Sure. The way it played out though, I would say that the odds of it being from Steam with all things considered are pretty good. However, that's not the main reason I don't like Steam, but that doesn't matter this far into this thread. [;)]

By the way, your tag line makes good sense. [;)]

[Scott_WAR]

Viruses, spyware,..etc, dont come to you, unless someone goes out of there way to find you. So unless you have pissed a hacker off you have very little to ever worry about. I have had broadband, with no firewall, no virus scanner, for over 8 years noiw,... and have never had a virus, or any spyware. In that time I have played mainly MMO's and other online games,....including buying from Steam. Yet no viruses at all,.... ever.
You cant get a virus or spyware by just going to a website, unless you have your security settings turned down, and it allows websites to download scripts etc without asking your permission first. Otherwise it asks you with a little popup at the top of the page,..and you should always say no.

Really some people have bought inot the BS spread by the companies that make firewalls and virus scanners. Its not NEARLY that bad out there unless you are an idiot and basically ask to get infected.

But, peace of mind is a valuable thing too and if having firewalls and virus scanners and being scared of the shadows makes you feel safer, then by all means.......enjoy. To each his own.


Set your security settings for IE or whatever browser you use to at LEAST medium (so that you have to agree to ANYTHING downloaded to your computer)DONT use torrents, dont download something from joe random. Dont download music files, dont download anything that isnt from an 'official' site. Follow those rules, you should never have problems with viruses or spyware.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

Viruses, spyware,..etc, dont come to you, unless someone goes out of there way to find you. So unless you have pissed a hacker off you have very little to ever worry about. I have had broadband, with no firewall, no virus scanner, for over 8 years noiw,... and have never had a virus, or any spyware. In that time I have played mainly MMO's and other online games,....including buying from Steam. Yet no viruses at all,.... ever.
You cant get a virus or spyware by just going to a website, unless you have your security settings turned down, and it allows websites to download scripts etc without asking your permission first. Otherwise it asks you with a little popup at the top of the page,..and you should always say no.

Really some people have bought inot the BS spread by the companies that make firewalls and virus scanners. Its not NEARLY that bad out there unless you are an idiot and basically ask to get infected.

But, peace of mind is a valuable thing too and if having firewalls and virus scanners and being scared of the shadows makes you feel safer, then by all means.......enjoy. To each his own.


Set your security settings for IE or whatever browser you use to at LEAST medium (so that you have to agree to ANYTHING downloaded to your computer)DONT use torrents, dont download something from joe random. Dont download music files, dont download anything that isnt from an 'official' site. Follow those rules, you should never have problems with viruses or spyware.

That's hilarious! You made my day. [:D]

[Scott_WAR]

Well if you find the truth funny so be it. Everything I posted is fact,..not opinion.

Edit- but as I posted above, if you feel better with a firewall and virus scanner,.....thats your choice.