Insane Steam Holiday Sale

[Scott_WAR]

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

What good does it do to back up Steam games if Steam is still required to run them and/or Steam no longer exists or is purchased by a company that changes the terms of use?

Sorry, but I've seen too many PC game companies disappear and all support for their games disappear with them.

That can be said about any publisher/developer. Whether they sall via download or CD/DVD.

What about games made for DOS, or win95, or win98,....the good majority of them will not work on modern OS's. So your point about maybe someday not being able to play a game you bought on steam, well that applies to EVERY game, downloaded or bought in a store.

[JWW]

My goodness, I've enjoyed reading this thread.  Thanks for the laughs.

And in the end it all comes down to personal preference.  Period.

As for me, I prefer the simplicity of the Matrix system.  Download the game.  Secure the serial number.  I can then make as many backup copies as I want on whatever media I want.  And I make a copy on CD and another on a backup hard drive.  In the game folder I put the game install package, the SN, and any updates as I accumulate them.  I like that system.  If you prefer steam or any other system, fine.  Is one better than the other?  I don't think so. 

[Greybriar]

ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

What good does it do to back up Steam games if Steam is still required to run them and/or Steam no longer exists or is purchased by a company that changes the terms of use?

Sorry, but I've seen too many PC game companies disappear and all support for their games disappear with them.

That can be said about any publisher/developer. Whether they sall via download or CD/DVD.

What about games made for DOS, or win95, or win98,....the good majority of them will not work on modern OS's. So your point about maybe someday not being able to play a game you bought on steam, well that applies to EVERY game, downloaded or bought in a store.

The retail boxed versions of the PC games I own do not require Steam nor any other DRM. End of story.

[htuna]

Arctic, that is not true about not being able to play on multiple computers at the sametime.. you can go into offline mode and do so... I log in.. go on offline mode.. my son logs in and plays on the same account.. we've even played same strategy games together via LAN...

some games of course that won't work.. where you logged on to play over the internet, like Left 4 Dead.. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2...

But games like Men of War.. I have played with my Son... or... I may play a strategy or RPG game in offline mode, while he goes online and plays Left 4 Dead.. or COD....

He has played COD online.. at the same time that I've played COD single player in offline..

[Emobama]

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

The retail boxed versions of the PC games I own do not require Steam nor any other DRM. End of story.

Me too! And the two I have purchased from Steam were much, much cheaper. I purchased Zombie Driver based on recommendations for $2 and I purchased Hearts Of Iron III with a bunch of mods for $12 or $14. These are two games I never would have purchased otherwise so I get to check them out for minimal price. I may be able to get HOI for less than $10 but I certainly would not have been able to get the additional content as well.

Since I have been playing less games on the PC recently I figured it was worth trying something new. This can't be worse than the MMG's because they are completely worthless once the company stops supporting the servers.

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Greybriar
The retail boxed versions of the PC games I own do not require Steam nor any other DRM. End of story.

Touché’

[E]

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

What good does it do to back up Steam games if Steam is still required to run them and/or Steam no longer exists or is purchased by a company that changes the terms of use?

Sorry, but I've seen too many PC game companies disappear and all support for their games disappear with them.

That can be said about any publisher/developer. Whether they sall via download or CD/DVD.

What about games made for DOS, or win95, or win98,....the good majority of them will not work on modern OS's. So your point about maybe someday not being able to play a game you bought on steam, well that applies to EVERY game, downloaded or bought in a store.

The retail boxed versions of the PC games I own do not require Steam nor any other DRM. End of story.

Point, Set and Match.

[Arctic Blast]

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

What good does it do to back up Steam games if Steam is still required to run them and/or Steam no longer exists or is purchased by a company that changes the terms of use?

Sorry, but I've seen too many PC game companies disappear and all support for their games disappear with them.

Could it happen? Sure, I guess. I find it hard to believe that nobody would pick up the rights to the Steam platform considering how much it dominates the digital download market, but I guess it could happen. I guess I just don't tend to sit around focusing on worst case scenarios. Were that to happen...I played some great games that I enjoyed, and I move on with my life.

And there is one HUGE reason that I do support digital download...sale prices. Every weekend, every one of them knock prices down on some chosen items. I have not paid more than $20 for more than 4 or 5 games in total in the last 18 months.

[Widell]

It's a matter of preference, and so all the very logic and well thought out arguments posted here will not convert anyone that has taken their stand. However, great entertainment with all the still rather friendly "pen fighting" going on [:)]

[Emobama]

ORIGINAL: E

Point, Set and Match.

Well it is not of course. Over night Steam did no close nor did DRM go away. People who think in the past like that are a very small part of the market who will adapt or the companies will move forward without them with no significant impact.

[E]

ORIGINAL: Emobama

ORIGINAL: E

Point, Set and Match.

Well it is not of course.

Greybriar takes the trophy home to display! Or he can store it away and display it sometime in the future... without asking anyone's permission!

[Emobama]

ORIGINAL: E

Greybriar takes the trophy home to display! Or he can store it away and display it sometime in the future... without asking anyone's permission!

Yes! Because it is a small timers trophy for lack of foresight and inability to adjust. The same trophy that extinct species and the US Auto industry have on their mantles.

Big timer trophies like The FIFA World Cup Trophy cannot be won outright. They belong to a part of a larger organization and are given back unless the trophy is won again. He doesn't even technically own the money in his pockets.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Emobama

Yes! Because it is a small timers trophy for lack of foresight and inability to adjust. The same trophy that extinct species and the US Auto industry have on their mantles.

Big timer trophies like The FIFA World Cup Trophy cannot be won outright. They belong to a part of a larger organization and are given back unless the trophy is won again. He doesn't even technically own the money in his pockets.

Have you thought about going into politics? [&:]

[GoodGuy]

ORIGINAL: E

Greybriar takes the trophy home to display! Or he can store it away and display it sometime in the future... without asking anyone's permission!

...And without having to activate it online, or having to watch its dowload limit and nagging icon in the taskbar, hm? [;)]
[:D]

[Emobama]

ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

Big timer trophies like The FIFA World Cup Trophy cannot be won outright. They belong to a part of a larger organization and are given back unless the trophy is won again. He doesn't even technically own the money in his pockets.

Yes, he paid 5-10 times more for the allusion this provides. I bet he is not installing his 5 1/4" floppy games. [:D]

[Emobama]

ORIGINAL: LarryP

Have you thought about going into politics? [&:]

Funny you should mention that. I have started accepting funds for a non-profit (read non-taxable) investigative committee which will investigate the plausibility for a presidential run.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Emobama

ORIGINAL: LarryP

Have you thought about going into politics? [&:]

Funny you should mention that. I have started accepting funds for a non-profit (read non-taxable) investigative committee which will investigate the plausibility for a presidential run.

That should help the unemployment rate a bit. More so than the... never mind. Getting political again, like in the Norad Santa thread. [;)]

[GoodGuy]

ORIGINAL: Emobama

ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

Big timer trophies like The FIFA World Cup Trophy cannot be won outright. They belong to a part of a larger organization and are given back unless the trophy is won again. He doesn't even technically own the money in his pockets.

Yes, he paid 5-10 times more for the allusion this provides. I bet he is not installing his 5 1/4" floppy games. [:D]

Dude, to designate Greybriar to be a member of an extinct species is one thing, but if you put words in my mouth i never said, I may become less polite and either set the Führer's dog on you or wash your mouth with soap. [;)]

ORIGINAL: LarryP

Have you thought about going into politics? [&:]

Reminds me of politicians, who (after they have lost an election) would still babble for hours just to come to the conclusion that the loss was in fact a win. [:D]

[Emobama]

ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

Reminds me of politicians, who (after they have lost an election) would still babble for hours just to come to the conclusion that the loss was in fact a win. [:D]

I really do not see why anyone has to be a winner or loser in this. I understand some people are afraid of change and others are afraid of technology. Others are unable to adapt to change or understand that hey themselves have already changed. I cannot say that a person who denies themselves joy because of an imaginary line in the sand is a loser or has lost but I think that people who are willing to try new things do benefit more than people who do not. What a boring world it would be if everything was the same.

[Emobama]

ORIGINAL: LarryP

That should help the unemployment rate a bit. More so than the... never mind. Getting political again, like in the Norad Santa thread. [;)]

This thread?
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This is a great example of what happens when Greybriar fails adapt and is unwilling to work with people. He can print out a copy of that picture and put it in his trophy case.

[:D][:D][:D]