
ALLIED ONLY: aztez (A) vs erstad (J) ...2nd ROUND
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RE: November 1942
Allied bomber replacement pools


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RE: November 1942
Ah well, at least you've got enough martlets.
RE: November 1942
BTW, devs said in main forum thread, that one should not use "Remain on station" and "reaction range" > 0) together, since they are conflicting orders. Reaction range is supposed to be used only with Patrol Zone.
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-


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cfulbright
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RE: November 1942
Aztez - On your global overview map, what is that Red dot halfway to Adelaide in the middle of Australia?
RE: November 1942
Athius: Oh, I cannot argue with that fact! [:D] ...just would love to have some Spitfires and Corsairs instead!
Sardaukar: That is intresting. Personally didn't know they were conflicting stuff.
Those submarines have been quite lethal lately with the current setup. I don't know whether or not it has something to do with that fact that they are moving around when they are spotted though.
That is kind of using "the patrol" system which is build into the game itself.
The subwarfare campaign is quite "aggressive" at the moment being and I don't intend to stop.
I will change few stationary submarines into reaction range of 0 to see whether or not they become even more deadly.
cfulbright: The "red dot" is an enemy tank regiment moving towards Adelaide. This has been give "free ride" so far but it is about to be destroyed once he comes within range of my bombers.
He did already lose one of these units near Cairns so an repeat lesson is in order.
Sardaukar: That is intresting. Personally didn't know they were conflicting stuff.
Those submarines have been quite lethal lately with the current setup. I don't know whether or not it has something to do with that fact that they are moving around when they are spotted though.
That is kind of using "the patrol" system which is build into the game itself.
The subwarfare campaign is quite "aggressive" at the moment being and I don't intend to stop.
I will change few stationary submarines into reaction range of 0 to see whether or not they become even more deadly.
cfulbright: The "red dot" is an enemy tank regiment moving towards Adelaide. This has been give "free ride" so far but it is about to be destroyed once he comes within range of my bombers.
He did already lose one of these units near Cairns so an repeat lesson is in order.
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Yamato_Blitzer
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RE: November 1942
Well, one positive note: You don't seem to have lost TO many ships, i've seen much worse than that in other AAR's as well as my own games
RE: November 1942
You should use button "Patrol around Target" or set dedicated patrol zones. Against AI I just use the button for subs. For ASW TFs I usually set dedicated patrol zones.
Subs were way too lethal with react range 6 when I had dozen of them with "patrol around target" set as sea hexes south of Japan (not too close to coastal hexes). Thankfully they toned down the react range to 1.
Subs were way too lethal with react range 6 when I had dozen of them with "patrol around target" set as sea hexes south of Japan (not too close to coastal hexes). Thankfully they toned down the react range to 1.
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-


RE: November 1942
Wow, seems you really stopped him cold at Kweiyang! Probably only temporary as I guess this area will
be swarming with IJA Bombers soon (at least thats what I´d do).
Good hint Sardaukar. Didn´t know this either. So you mean the best setup is a dedicated patrol zone wit "retirement allowed"?
Up to now I mostly used my subs with "remain on station" and a reaction range from 1-3 depending on area. I had a couple of occasions
where they reacted to an enemy TF, always wondered why after the reaction the subs reset to "retirement allowed".
This might be the explanation.
I bet this is also good info for my old opponent Rob.
be swarming with IJA Bombers soon (at least thats what I´d do).
Good hint Sardaukar. Didn´t know this either. So you mean the best setup is a dedicated patrol zone wit "retirement allowed"?
Up to now I mostly used my subs with "remain on station" and a reaction range from 1-3 depending on area. I had a couple of occasions
where they reacted to an enemy TF, always wondered why after the reaction the subs reset to "retirement allowed".
This might be the explanation.
I bet this is also good info for my old opponent Rob.

RE: November 1942
At work but checked email and there was turn waiting.
It looked kind of promising: "You will somewhat pleased with this turn..."
Yamato_Blitzer: True. Than again there has many AAR's where the losses are much more sustained. I guess you could say that this "AAR" is in the middle.
Always good to look on the bright side of things though! [:D]
Sardaukar: Hmmm, I was using the setup you mentioned earlier and the got very limited success.
To be honest didn't hit a damn thing. Now that I'am doing this warfare manually the hits keep coming in and his ASW will have tough time dealing with losses.
That is an mixed experience if you compare what you are saying.
At the moment the key areas will dealt with manual routing etc.
LoBaron: We shall what he has in store at Kweiyang. The good thing is that there are now extra 1000av worth of infantry available there so if he assaults than even more stiffer resistance is expected.
I'am using the same kind of setup you have and there has been numerous hits. Last turn alone saw 3 ships sunk and I expect even better soon once they are done with their upgrading. I guess the key is to move them around manually.
It looked kind of promising: "You will somewhat pleased with this turn..."
Yamato_Blitzer: True. Than again there has many AAR's where the losses are much more sustained. I guess you could say that this "AAR" is in the middle.
Always good to look on the bright side of things though! [:D]
Sardaukar: Hmmm, I was using the setup you mentioned earlier and the got very limited success.
To be honest didn't hit a damn thing. Now that I'am doing this warfare manually the hits keep coming in and his ASW will have tough time dealing with losses.
That is an mixed experience if you compare what you are saying.
At the moment the key areas will dealt with manual routing etc.
LoBaron: We shall what he has in store at Kweiyang. The good thing is that there are now extra 1000av worth of infantry available there so if he assaults than even more stiffer resistance is expected.
I'am using the same kind of setup you have and there has been numerous hits. Last turn alone saw 3 ships sunk and I expect even better soon once they are done with their upgrading. I guess the key is to move them around manually.
RE: November 1942
You can make very small patrol zone with react range, I think one can even make 1 hex patrol zone if needed. If you use react range with Remain on Station, it'll reset you sub to Return to Base when sub TF reacts to something. Not a good idea.
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-


RE: November 1942
Sardaukar: The resetting the "remain on station" orders is definately downside to this style of subwarfare approach.
Very intresting details you posted here. Thank you.
Aleutians (noverber 2nd - 3rd 1942)
It was all submarine show in the northern pacific. I would be more jubiliant if these reports were from the classic witp though.
The first assault was made by an SS Sunfish patrolling near Umnak Island. The radio reports indicated an hit on CA Aoba. With the FOW system this is very much unconfirmed. The cruiser is shown on sunk ship list. (BB Yamashiro reappeared there too this turn)
Sub attack near Umnak Island at 169,51
Japanese Ships
CA Aoba, Torpedo hits 1
DD Hatsuharu
Allied Ships
SS Sunfish
Our old friend cpt. Olsen has also kept patrolling the northern areas. Remember the submarine reported 2 hits on CV Zuikaku earlier on. Whether or not it was an carrier remains to be seen. It might be BB Yamashiro that was torpedoed earlier.
Anyways the good old submarine set its sights on CV Kaga this time though.
Sub attack near Umnak Island at 169,51
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Sub attack near Sanak Island at 173,51
Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Torpedo hits 1
CS Chitose
CS Nisshin
DD Isokaze
DD Yukikaze
DD Asanagi
DD Usugumo
Allied Ships
SS Grayling
SS Grayling launches 6 torpedoes at CV Kaga
Grayling diving deep ....
DD Asanagi fails to find sub and abandons search
The submarine escaped unharmed and continues it war effort. Again whether or not this was an FOW remains to be seen but this crew has been an nightmare for the japanese naval forces already.
The allied signit also reported the following: "17/53rd Division is loaded on xAK Kusuyama Maru moving to Attu Island." ...whether or not he is reinforcing his efforts here remains to be seen. I'am moving couple of submarines here and hopefully we get shot at this convoy.
I did rest my lba bombers last turn and most of them were on naval search missions.
To add to the glory of US submarine SS Gar hit CMc Ma 2 near Tokara Retto.

Very intresting details you posted here. Thank you.
Aleutians (noverber 2nd - 3rd 1942)
It was all submarine show in the northern pacific. I would be more jubiliant if these reports were from the classic witp though.
The first assault was made by an SS Sunfish patrolling near Umnak Island. The radio reports indicated an hit on CA Aoba. With the FOW system this is very much unconfirmed. The cruiser is shown on sunk ship list. (BB Yamashiro reappeared there too this turn)
Sub attack near Umnak Island at 169,51
Japanese Ships
CA Aoba, Torpedo hits 1
DD Hatsuharu
Allied Ships
SS Sunfish
Our old friend cpt. Olsen has also kept patrolling the northern areas. Remember the submarine reported 2 hits on CV Zuikaku earlier on. Whether or not it was an carrier remains to be seen. It might be BB Yamashiro that was torpedoed earlier.
Anyways the good old submarine set its sights on CV Kaga this time though.
Sub attack near Umnak Island at 169,51
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Sub attack near Sanak Island at 173,51
Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Torpedo hits 1
CS Chitose
CS Nisshin
DD Isokaze
DD Yukikaze
DD Asanagi
DD Usugumo
Allied Ships
SS Grayling
SS Grayling launches 6 torpedoes at CV Kaga
Grayling diving deep ....
DD Asanagi fails to find sub and abandons search
The submarine escaped unharmed and continues it war effort. Again whether or not this was an FOW remains to be seen but this crew has been an nightmare for the japanese naval forces already.
The allied signit also reported the following: "17/53rd Division is loaded on xAK Kusuyama Maru moving to Attu Island." ...whether or not he is reinforcing his efforts here remains to be seen. I'am moving couple of submarines here and hopefully we get shot at this convoy.
I did rest my lba bombers last turn and most of them were on naval search missions.
To add to the glory of US submarine SS Gar hit CMc Ma 2 near Tokara Retto.

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RE: November 1942
Australia (november 2nd - 3rd 1942)
The mini KB showed up near Perth and launched couple of strikes here.
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Afternoon Air attack on Perth , at 49,147
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N1 Kate x 43
B5N2 Kate x 17
D3A1 Val x 16
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 13
Kittyhawk I x 24
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
B5N1 Kate: 9 destroyed, 7 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 5 damaged
D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
Allied Ships
xAKL Elcano, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AVP Poolster, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
I have some ships disbanded at Perth so I'am expecting port strike to be launched next turn.
The problem with Perth is that most of the reinforcements in terms of aircraft needs to be send via railroads thus meaning it will take few days to get them there.

The mini KB showed up near Perth and launched couple of strikes here.
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Afternoon Air attack on Perth , at 49,147
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N1 Kate x 43
B5N2 Kate x 17
D3A1 Val x 16
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 13
Kittyhawk I x 24
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
B5N1 Kate: 9 destroyed, 7 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 5 damaged
D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
Allied Ships
xAKL Elcano, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AVP Poolster, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
I have some ships disbanded at Perth so I'am expecting port strike to be launched next turn.
The problem with Perth is that most of the reinforcements in terms of aircraft needs to be send via railroads thus meaning it will take few days to get them there.

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RE: November 1942
LoBaron: At the moment none. Geralton became too vulnerable when he seized those other bases up in the north.
The allied PBY replacement rates aren't exactly top notch so I did want to waste aircraft for nothing.
The good thing that if he assaults the harbour as expected than he will face additional fighters. I had 32 US Wildcats on standby/training orders at Perth.
Thankfully he did not hit any aircraft with his raid so these are definately bonus here.
The allied PBY replacement rates aren't exactly top notch so I did want to waste aircraft for nothing.
The good thing that if he assaults the harbour as expected than he will face additional fighters. I had 32 US Wildcats on standby/training orders at Perth.
Thankfully he did not hit any aircraft with his raid so these are definately bonus here.
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RE: November 1942
sorry aztez i had too man coffees this morning and i made this.. im posting it just for you because i know you will produce a comment.. GL

looks like your making him bleed pretty well.. maybe it will turn into a nice frozen prison camp.. best to just ignore alaska and go up the middle after hes bled dry?

looks like your making him bleed pretty well.. maybe it will turn into a nice frozen prison camp.. best to just ignore alaska and go up the middle after hes bled dry?
RE: November 1942
krupp_88mm: [:D][:D] ...as for the knife through middle assault. Not ready yet for this kind of push.
Allthough CV Saratoga and CV Yorktown have fully upgraded and repaired. He has too much firepower vs allies to have an guaranteed victory.
I don't want the tide to turn so again patience is an virtue here.
I'am preparing for the push forward in all fronts but at the moment I'am keeping my options open though.
It has been one hell of an battle at Alaska and I doubt it is quite over yet. Never expected this scale of daily battles and it seems he is bringing in even more units.
Allthough CV Saratoga and CV Yorktown have fully upgraded and repaired. He has too much firepower vs allies to have an guaranteed victory.
I don't want the tide to turn so again patience is an virtue here.
I'am preparing for the push forward in all fronts but at the moment I'am keeping my options open though.
It has been one hell of an battle at Alaska and I doubt it is quite over yet. Never expected this scale of daily battles and it seems he is bringing in even more units.






