windows 7 vs vista

[panzers]

I recently purchased the full version of 7 even though I had vista( didn't ever want anything to do with vista again). I have the 32 bit version. The question I have is that even though the drivers are the same as vista, I am noticing that I am having a hard time finding games that are as compatible as vista. Not so much with matrix games as much as others. Can anyone explain any of this?

[wworld7]

I am not sure what you are asking here? If you can give an example someone may be able to help.

[Hertston]

Examples would be good. I haven't yet encountered anything that won't run on Windows 7 Home Premium that did run on Vista although, of course, I can't generalize beyond my own experience.

The only Windows 7 incompatibility problems I've come across is with the dreaded Starter version that shipped with my netbook. The usual, and expected, problem was screen resolution as it has a max of 1024 x 600, but there is still stuff I expected to run that won't (and vice versa, come to that)

[htuna]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

The only Windows 7 incompatibility problems I've come across is with the dreaded Starter version that shipped with my netbook. The usual, and expected, problem was screen resolution as it has a max of 1024 x 600, but there is still stuff I expected to run that won't (and vice versa, come to that)

That's not not an issue with Windows 7.. that's the netbook's resolution limitation.... Anything that works with Vista should work with 7.. I haven't run into a game yet, that I can't get to run on 7.... some tweaks are needed now and then, but so far so good..

[hgilmer3]

I jumped straight from XP to 7, so I can't discuss a comparison but I have had no issues on 7.

[PILA]

Well just found another case where Microshaft has screwed us again..If you for some reason want to install xp mode in win7 but your processor is not vt compatible lol nice you cant use it ..nor can you install virt pc 2007 on win 7 which is something you can do on Vista...nice ha...so some nice hype you cant have by spending more money..no ultimate extras (nice games)...no xp mode unless you got dual core processor even with 32 bit OS...Keep pissin me off Microsoft I will use my big mouth to convert the world to Linux and you can keep your BS operating ala carte systems.
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[Aurelian]

I'll stick with win 7.

The only game I've had a problem with is Lost Empires: Immortals. Doesn't seem to like 64 bit.

But then again, I have XP on the D drive......

I fail to see how MS "screwed" us re XP mode, since the requirements to use it are listed.

[killroyishere]

Hopefully someone will make a WinBox program that will run all windows programs XP and previous. That compatibility wizard certainly is a crock as it only works about 1/2 the time if that with older windows games.

[GoodGuy]

ORIGINAL: PILA

Well just found another case where Microshaft has screwed us again..If you for some reason want to install xp mode in win7 but your processor is not vt compatible lol nice you cant use it ..nor can you install virt pc 2007 on win 7 which is something you can do on Vista...nice ha...so some nice hype you cant have by spending more money..no ultimate extras (nice games)...no xp mode unless you got dual core processor even with 32 bit OS...Keep pissin me off Microsoft I will use my big mouth to convert the world to Linux and you can keep your BS operating ala carte systems.

Even spambots do have a point, once in a while. [;)]

[Peter Fisla]

ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

ORIGINAL: PILA

Well just found another case where Microshaft has screwed us again..If you for some reason want to install xp mode in win7 but your processor is not vt compatible lol nice you cant use it ..nor can you install virt pc 2007 on win 7 which is something you can do on Vista...nice ha...so some nice hype you cant have by spending more money..no ultimate extras (nice games)...no xp mode unless you got dual core processor even with 32 bit OS...Keep pissin me off Microsoft I will use my big mouth to convert the world to Linux and you can keep your BS operating ala carte systems.

Even spambots do have a point, once in a while. [;)]

I'm not so sure, you can use VMWare 6.x Workstation software just fine...and you don't even need CPU with VT on hardware level either. I have 64bit CPU that support VT on hardware level but I found out that VMWare 6.0 workstation runs faster than Microsoft VM so I didn't bother. The only advantage of using MS VM is that you don't need XP license as MS is giving it to you for free with thier VM...but I could care less about that.

Actually Win 7 has been great since the day it came out...not a single crash so far, runs 98% of my games (doesn't like Tages DRM but I can live with that happily) and it's very fast.

Peter

[GoodGuy]

I was just joking, actually, as I find it amusing how some spam posts hit the bulls eye (= hit the thread topic) by making some sense, at least.
Actually, from what I read, I am looking forward to switch to Win7 some time in the future, as it seems to be anything than an incomplete patchwork system (XP).

I just don't feel like switching right now, I can't be arsed to reinstall stuff atm. I had to do that a few weeks ago, and I'm still pissy. [:)]

[Peter Fisla]

ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

I was just joking, actually, as I find it amusing how some spam posts hit the bulls eye (= hit the thread topic) by making some sense, at least.
Actually, from what I read, I am looking forward to switch to Win7 some time in the future, as it seems to be anything than an incomplete patchwork system (XP).

I just don't feel like switching right now, I can't be arsed to reinstall stuff atm. I had to do that a few weeks ago, and I'm still pissy. [:)]

I understood your comment, I was just trying to say that there are other ways to run virtualization besides MS VM, you just need your own XP license.

[Zakhal]

Windows764 is the only OS I use. Allthough I have Vista64 and XP32 installed too on the same PC.

Vista actually went bluescreen after sp3 update few weeks ago thanks to faulty windows patch before it. But I dont really need it anymore so I havent even bothered to fix it.

[ilovestrategy]

I have a 3 year old gaming rig with Vista 64 and never once had any problems. My laptop came with Windows7 64 bit and it runs like a charm.

I've been hearing the "this windows version sucks" line for almost 20 years and I really cannot remember having an issue with any version of Windows since it came out in the early 90s.

Man, I'm glad DOS is gone. Installing games was a pain!

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

Man, I'm glad DOS is gone. Installing games was a pain!

DOS was great, if you knew how to use it.

[SlickWilhelm]

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

Man, I'm glad DOS is gone. Installing games was a pain!

DOS was great, if you knew how to use it.

DOS and other command line OS's are great for admins, not for your typical end user. And patronizing people who aren't highly technical is just showing your own insecurity.

I'm highly technical now, because that's what I do for a living. But back in the day when I was a young lad, trying to get a computer game to run by editing the config.sys and autoexec.bat was a bloody nightmare. Anyone remember trying to get enough memory into "high" memory so that your game would run?

Warts and all, Windows is a godsend to computer gaming.

[leastonh1]

ORIGINAL: Slick Wilhelm
I'm highly technical now, because that's what I do for a living. But back in the day when I was a young lad, trying to get a computer game to run by editing the config.sys and autoexec.bat was a bloody nightmare. Anyone remember trying to get enough memory into "high" memory so that your game would run?

Warts and all, Windows is a godsend to computer gaming.

Yep, I remember spending many, many hours trying to squeeze a couple of kilobytes of mem to run games and having to reboot into DOS with a floppy disk in order to reduce overhead and make sure my custom autoexec and config.sys ran exclusively. I don't miss it at all! DOS was a great tool for many things (and still is), but gaming was a royal pita with it.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Slick Wilhelm

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

Man, I'm glad DOS is gone. Installing games was a pain!

DOS was great, if you knew how to use it.

DOS and other command line OS's are great for admins, not for your typical end user. And patronizing people who aren't highly technical is just showing your own insecurity.

I'm highly technical now, because that's what I do for a living. But back in the day when I was a young lad, trying to get a computer game to run by editing the config.sys and autoexec.bat was a bloody nightmare. Anyone remember trying to get enough memory into "high" memory so that your game would run?

Warts and all, Windows is a godsend to computer gaming.

Slick Wilhelm,

I was a kid too when I started with DOS. I knew nothing, but the joy of playing games and learning by trial and error actually led me into the portion of my career involving computers at a small software company (Tech Support, LAN Manager and then Manager, Information Systems). What you call a bloody nightmare to me was a great learning experiance. Sure there were nights that I "failed", but they became fewer as time went on.

Many people found Windows easier. For me, I had more difficulty with early Windows than I ever had with DOS. Only until Windows-98 came along could I say I was comfortable with it. Windows XP was a blast, Vista had no problems I couldn't overcome, and now with Windows 7 things are even better. But, for me, DOS was my greatest joy. That it was not the same for others is fine. In part, that's what keeps me employed.

Even today some network problems come up and I find a solution using some technique I learned "playing" with DOS over twenty-five year ago. To me learning is fun, and more fun if you are trying to play a game.

[GoodGuy]

Btw, are you sure Flipper was Irish? [;)]

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

But, for me, DOS was my greatest joy. That it was not the same for others is fine. In part, that's what keeps me employed.

I'd rather say that's what brought you to the path leading to your current position. You don't need to have any DOS knowledge these days. Well UNIX and Linux may be an advantage, but not DOS. A youngster who knows everything about OS's from say NT server to Win7 server and UNIX, including programming in C++, UNIX and whatnot, may outperform you easily. [:)]

I think you are romanticizing a bit here.
At a time when I thanked the Lord that AMIGAs had SCSI harddrives and that I could create and mount RAMdisks so games and apps would load in no time, my neighbor, a carpenter, had to dance with the task to get his games running on his PC, and was desperately trying to free up enough memory to launch some darn game executable.
I didn't know that much about PCs back then, but I got him alt mouse drivers, rewrote his bat and sys files, so that the poor chap could play his beloved games. He just wanted to play, and not play "trial and error" in his spare time.

To me learning is fun, and more fun if you are trying to play a game.

I love to learn. But I never really liked the fact that DOS turned you into a slave, although a PC was meant to be a human's slave. AMIGAs with harddisk still needed some scripting knowledge, as the games were usually designed for floppy users, but it was an easy task, as you just had to mount drives and assign game disks to HD volumes. No hassle at all, brilliant desktop.

In turn, DOS was primitive, the MEM-bottleneck showed the lack of vision at MS and IBM. I completely moved to the PC around 1994, but I always missed Amiga/Mac desktops, DOS rather turned me off. Win 95 was a terrible OS, I'd call that one Vaporware, in terms of having the tendency to disintegrate itself, even if you'd just tried to install a driver. [:D]
Win98 SE was actually relatively good, but still demanded maintenance (eg. regedit) to keep it clean and smooth.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: panzers

I recently purchased the full version of 7 even though I had vista( didn't ever want anything to do with vista again). I have the 32 bit version. The question I have is that even though the drivers are the same as vista, I am noticing that I am having a hard time finding games that are as compatible as vista. Not so much with matrix games as much as others. Can anyone explain any of this?

The drivers are not all the same. I had a friend upgrade from Vista to 7 and his Netgear wireless modem stopped functioning. I had to scrounge up a home-made driver pkg for it as Netgear hadn't come out with one yet! On games, I've yet to come across one that won't run on 7 vs. Vista with one cavet. 7 can be picky about game exe's running as Administrator. I recently had that experience with Mass Effect. 7 gave me no indication of what the problem was...just got a "program has stopped running" msg and the MS diagnostics were of little use (suprise!). I patched and even messed with Direct X versions before seeing a forum suggestion to "run as Administrator" Sure enough....once did that it ran fine. Why it needed this i don't know. No other program thus far needs to be run "as Administrator" but there you have it. Other than that i've had zero issues. Didn't really have any serious issues with Vista either save for the fact that it was a mighty resource hog and 7 is an improvement there. In the end a primary motivation for me was i wanted to go 64bit with 4 more Gigs of RAM so Win7 was a natural choice over Vista64.