What is the effect of Atom Bombs on cities ?

[chesmart]

What is the effect of atom bombs on cities ? I am getting one next month and I am thinking of using one on Tokyo and I am curious if it effects military units. In Tokyo the AI has 20000+ AV in 9 fort levels and i think it will be difficult for me to assault Tokyo land wise hopefully it will effect military units as well.

[CapAndGown]

ORIGINAL: che200

What is the effect of atom bombs on cities ?

Nothing good. [:'(]

[chesmart]

Lol

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: che200

What is the effect of atom bombs on cities ? I am getting one next month and I am thinking of using one on Tokyo and I am curious if it effects military units. In Tokyo the AI has 20000+ AV in 9 fort levels and i think it will be difficult for me to assault Tokyo land wise hopefully it will effect military units as well.

Please paste your results here after dropping the bomb next month. I'm sure that there's a number of allied players (and IJ too) that would be very interested in seeing what happens when Tokyo gets nuked. FWIW, in WiTP, atom bombs were very underwhelming in their effect. Hardly worth the U235 or Pu expenditure. Be interested in seeing if this has changed in AE.

[chesmart]

will do !

Bump

[captskillet]

Well if its like WITP you gets a bunch of Industry and tons of civillian casualties but you get a neagative VP bump.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: captskillet

Well if its like WITP you gets a bunch of Industry and tons of civillian casualties but you get a neagative VP bump.

Wasnt' that only if there were >2 nukes used?

[wwengr]

Ionizing radiation fries people's insides
Thermal radiation fries the outsides
Residual radiation leaves them homeless
Over-pressure crushes them
Shock wave blows them away
Electro-magnetic pulse wipes their iPods
Cratering changes the real estate
Fallout screws with their neighbors

Of course an airburst eliminates the last two.

[fflaguna]

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[Lifer]

ORIGINAL: wwengr

Ionizing radiation fries people's insides
Thermal radiation fries the outsides
Residual radiation leaves them homeless
Over-pressure crushes them
Shock wave blows them away
Electro-magnetic pulse wipes their iPods
Cratering changes the real estate
Fallout screws with their neighbors

Of course an airburst eliminates the last two.

Shadows on walls left standing.
Endless controversy over whether it was necessary to drop the bomb.
If Tokyo is nuked, installation of MacArthur as Emperor and god.

[Bradley7735]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: captskillet

Well if its like WITP you gets a bunch of Industry and tons of civillian casualties but you get a neagative VP bump.

Wasnt' that only if there were >2 nukes used?

Why is it that Allies get a lower score for using their assets, but the Japanese do not get any VP penalty for using kamikazies to their full potential?

If the Allied player needs to use two or more atomic bombs, then they are already losing. Doesn't seem logical that they'd take more of a hit to use something in their inventory.

[P.Hausser]

ORIGINAL: che200

What is the effect of Atom Bombs on cities ?

Well.. I can't Evan imagine the effect..

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735
If the Allied player needs to use two or more atomic bombs, then they are already losing. Doesn't seem logical that they'd take more of a hit to use something in their inventory.

IRL two atomic bombs were used, Bradley7735. It would be inaccurate to say that, at the time of the second bomb drop that we were 'losing' at that point, don't you think?

[chesmart]

OK guys got all the political points but what do the bombs effect ? And do they effect military units ?

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: che200

OK guys got all the political points but what do the bombs effect ? And do they effect military units ?

IRL, they affected everything in the hex-some military, lots of resources, HI, LI, everything. Don't know how things will turn out in AE with 'the bomb'. Please do tell...

[Swenslim]

Can bomber carrying A-bomb be shot down ? Or bomb activates by simple click ?

[Lifer]

Only one bomber group is allowed to carry the bomb (373rd?).  If one bomber survives the attack run then the bomb is delivered.

[xj900uk]

Perhaps the Allied player could gain VP's for not using Atomic Bombs?  Or possibly only using one?

[Bradley7735]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735
If the Allied player needs to use two or more atomic bombs, then they are already losing. Doesn't seem logical that they'd take more of a hit to use something in their inventory.

IRL two atomic bombs were used, Bradley7735. It would be inaccurate to say that, at the time of the second bomb drop that we were 'losing' at that point, don't you think?

The game gives you one starting in July (or is it August?) 1945. The 2nd in August. If you go past that date without winning, you are already doing worse than historic, hence "losing" the game to your Japanese counterpart. Using one in September will only exaserbate your "losing" status. It doesn't make sense.

Meanwhile, if you invade Paramushiro-jima in mid 43, the Japanese player can now use Kamikazes. If he didn't squander his air assets, I imagine he could use quite a bit more than were historically used (around 5k, I think), and according to other posts, use much more highly experienced pilots as well. (forgive me if I'm wrong on this aspect of the game. I really don't know how Kamikazes are used in the game, except that they activate when a base near enough to Japan is invaded, not date specific like the fancy 'special' allied weapon.) The only score effect that has on them is losing more points for airplanes lost, but likely gaining many more points in enemy ships sunk.

So, the crux of my statement is: Why is the Allied player penalized for using 'special' historic assets yet the Japanese are not?

It would seem fair that if the Allied player can only use 2 atomic bombs (as were historically used) without penalty, then the Japanese player could only use 5k Kamikazes without penalty, then they take a victory point loss as well.

Btw, if any Dev's read my post, please just take it as 'Theory discussion'. I absolutely love the game. I don't play PBEM, so the atomic bomb issue doesn't affect me at all. You guys created an astronomically awesome game and have taken a lot of crap from folks who think you could have done better. Yes, I'm whining above, but my level of gratitude for what you've done is 99x more than my whine.

[chesmart]

Kamikazes in AE are activated earlier the date now is 1st June 1943. I learnt the lesson the hard way when i had a CV group caught with its pants down near Rangoon, the AI used Emily s long range and sent me 3 CVs to the repair yard for 6 months and BTW the bigger the plane the more the damage. I do not want to use atomic bombs but Tokyo has 20000 AV in level 9 forts and i have found no solution how to attack it yet. I will be landing in Kyushu in august 1945 and as of may 1945 the IJN is dead and i have total air supremacy over japan. I have lost more ships in the last 1 1/2 years to kamikazes then ever in the game it is a very powerful weapon. Convoys have to have DEs and CVEs if you do not want to lose them and after the latest hot patch collisions have increased i have lost 10 AKs in the last 6 months to collisions.