Good to know UBER Cap is gone

[Sardaukar]

If you'd put out sarcasm...but what you do is no sarcasm in my opinion, at least not in any form I have seen. Negative vibes, so to speak.

How about thinking something positive for a while? "Game stinks cos I lost X planes vs. XX" is how it seems to come out. That is not constructive criticism, or criticism at all but something else. Even when with evidence, it makes people really biased about what one has to say.

Also, it might have skipped attention, that AE devs, at least to my knowledge, are not paid for their work, but do this in addition to their normal day jobs, like The Elf, who is USN fighter pilot, IIRC. Demanding commercial-level response from people who made AE out of their goodwill and love of WitP and putting out constantly negative posts about game is not going to endear you among those who contributed to the game...for free.

Maybe you should consider some things and count to 10 before posting...I know it helps me. [8D]

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

If you'd put out sarcasm...but what you do is no sarcasm in my opinion, at least not in any form I have seen. Negative vibes, so to speak.

How about thinking something positive for a while? "Game stinks cos I lost X planes vs. XX" is how it seems to come out. That is not constructive criticism, or criticism at all but something else. Even when with evidence, it makes people really biased about what one has to say.

Also, it might have skipped attention, that AE devs, at least to my knowledge, are not paid for their work, but do this in addition to their normal day jobs, like The Elf, who is USN fighter pilot, IIRC. Demanding commercial-level response from people who made AE out of their goodwill and love of WitP and putting out constantly negative posts about game is not going to endear you among those who contributed to the game...for free.

Maybe you should consider some things and count to 10 before posting...I know it helps me. [8D]

I know they aren´t paid. I don´t want to tell you what I think about that because this then could again lead to irritation...

negative vibes? hmm, sorry things that aren´t positive is something I can´t see positive. I´m not that esoteric. The question if I´m right or wrong is a different question and I can only admit once again that it people are of different oppinion then I´ve got no problem with them (while they seem to have with me). If my example was right or wrong, well this surely is arguable. The other one with the 130:3 is surely not arguable, at least not if you use the "sanity filter". If the reason for this is a single instance when some routine got loopsided and that´s the explanation then why not just say this. Instead this thread turned out to be a I shoot you first thing... as I am the thread starter, I´m of course responsible for all of this, so again, blame me.

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Frank

ORIGINAL: castor troy

and after a couple of hours and many more hits into this thread I can only wonder by myselve why not even one has commented on the quote I pulled out from Cuttlefish´s AAR that shows 130 Allied ac being shot down in late 42 for 3 (in words three) Zeros lost. [8|][8|][8|]

But this is probably due to me doing the wording wrong again

Hey, Castor, now please, col down a littel bit. Where is the Austrian Schmäh, your people is so famous for? [;)]

I have to support you on this one. Killing about 130 allied planes for 3 Zeroes is over the top. There weren´t any Patriot batteries there? [:'(]

I´m running out of my "Schmäh" when I see such results. Me being more a Bavarian than an Eastern Austrian I don´t have that much of "Schmäh" anyway. [;)]

Just my 2c´s:

WWII happened exactly once.
If you collect all the lopsided results of battles that actually happened, put them in a thread and let them speak for themselves without mentioning
that these were the exceptions where luck prevailed over strategy and technical performance then you can easily make a thread called
WWII is broken

We all here play WWII 100´s of 100´s of times. Sometimes strange things happen. They do, ive experienced them myself, I accept the fact that this
is not a chess game because there are dice rolls and player brains involved and sometimes both do strange things.

When things you do seem lopsided then check how many times they worked exactly as planned and compare. Not only to your one single game but
in general, in all the AAR´s, in all the different player experiences. When I do this I always come back to the conclusion that nothing
screams at me "its broken".

Battles like Midway do happen. In reality. I bet the dice rolls were much in favour of the allies.
That doesnt tell me that theres something wrong with reality, somebody only had a very bad day.

[Sardaukar]

To: castor troy

There will always be strange outcomes, called "outliers".

Now, how many of your air battles produce one of those 130:3 results? Or where "UberCap" shoots your bombers out of sky?

I know you play this game a lot and so do I. I have never seen anything like 130:3, I have seen obsolete bombers blasted out of the sky by IJN elite now and then. I think it'd be reasonable, if harsh outcome.

If one gets *consistently* bad outcomes in situations where more moderate casualties would be the norm, then it is good to have queries why it is happening. One example was artillery bombardments..and devs were very quick to to respond, to extent using THEIR holiday season to fix the problem somewhat.

Taking extreme examples or obvious player "less-than-optimal orders" and using them as proof that game is seriously flawed is not the way to go. "Tossing your toy out of the pram" will make people view the complaint exactly that way.  

I have complained quite harshly about some aspects of game too. Difference is that I used data and examples easily reproduced, not extreme examples. Probably not because my examples only, some bugs were discovered.

Unfortunately, lot of things in AE can be discovered only by "trial & error", since manual does scratch only surface and it'd take years full time from devs to explain all things. This is one reason this forum is here.

I have been on these forums bit longer even than you and I do not personally like the way you present things. I don't find it very constructive or helpful. But this is just my opinion and as it's said, opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one.

[frank1970]

Thanks a lot, seems I have to buy a new book. [:)]

[frank1970]

Now, gentlemen, please.

Would you all please stop hacking on each other?
We are all adults here, so may I apall to each of you to behave this way?

Castor found strange results and was pissed.
The Elf thought the results were so off, that one might have realised, that there was a game mechanics breakdown because of gamer abuse, instead of claiming the game was flawed per se.
mjk wanted to calm down people but somehow became a collateral damage.

So, please be good boys now and don´t screem on each other anymore, thanks.

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: Frank

Now, gentlemen, please.

Would you all please stop hacking on each other?
We are all adults here, so may I apall to each of you to behave this way?

Castor found strange results and was pissed.
The Elf thought the results were so off, that one might have realised, that there was a game mechanics breakdown because of gamer abuse, instead of claiming the game was flawed per se.
mjk wanted to calm down people but somehow became a collateral damage.

So, please be good boys now and don´t screem on each other anymore, thanks.

[8|] I stand with what I said earlier. Some people coontribute and make life better for all of us. Others simply can't deal with that and are only happy when they can belittle the few that actually contribute[:-]

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana
...However, I think castor troy has a point, as people all slogpile him. And it's kinda one sided slogpiling too, there was huge amounts of bitching about Zeroes on this board from JFBs when the game was released. What they said appears to have been taken on board by the devs as it sure isn't that way now after all the patches.

Here's some moaning at Zeroes not destroying the world at a glance :-

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On top of that there are these lame old canards being brought out, like in the 'Allied fighters suck' thread. 'You're playing it wrong'. No, they really do suck!

I've seen you say this before, but can you actually back this up ? I'm not aware of major changes to plane stats or the air models with the patches (Although I may just not have read the patch notes thoroughly enough, feel free to prove me wrong). I'm also still seeing AAR where the P-40s are pretty much going 1 on 1 with the zeroes.

[frank1970]

ORIGINAL: pompack

ORIGINAL: Frank

Now, gentlemen, please.

Would you all please stop hacking on each other?
We are all adults here, so may I apall to each of you to behave this way?

Castor found strange results and was pissed.
The Elf thought the results were so off, that one might have realised, that there was a game mechanics breakdown because of gamer abuse, instead of claiming the game was flawed per se.
mjk wanted to calm down people but somehow became a collateral damage.

So, please be good boys now and don´t screem on each other anymore, thanks.

[8|] I stand with what I said earlier. Some people coontribute and make life better for all of us. Others simply can't deal with that and are only happy when they can belittle the few that actually contribute[:-]

It is absolute no problem. The opposite is true. I would expect a gentleman to stand to what he said. It isn´t the topic, which made peolpe explode all over teh place, it was the mood (word?), that was so off a normal discussion. It isn´t what was said, but how it was said (just a try to make more understandable, what I want to say).
ImhO Castor was a little harsh in its critizism, Elf was a bit harsh in its reaction and some were giving to much weight to the words said and not the meaning of them.
of course it is absolutely possible, that I don´t get the ultra aggressive intonations of some vocabulary, ....

I have realised, my try to save the situation was somehow to late, so just quarrel on, gentlemen.

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: Smeulders
I've seen you say this before, but can you actually back this up ? I'm not aware of major changes to plane stats or the air models with the patches (Although I may just not have read the patch notes thoroughly enough, feel free to prove me wrong). I'm also still seeing AAR where the P-40s are pretty much going 1 on 1 with the zeroes.

No idea re. the patches, however I've not seen anything even close to the tests rominet did with P40s vs Zeroes in my own games now they are all patched. P40s get 1:1 with Zeroes on a good day, if you're lucky. More usually they get slaughtered - they definitely seem to get slaughtered if you try to mass them.

Plenty of AARs out there with P40s getting slaughtered. Kill ratios of 10 to 1 all the way up to 30 to 1.

[Central Blue]

ORIGINAL: Frank


It isn´t the topic, which made peolpe explode all over teh place, it was the mood (word?), that was so off a normal discussion. It isn´t what was said, but how it was said (just a try to make more understandable, what I want to say).

Since you asked. [:)]

In American English we would typically say "attitude." And the attitude can affect the mood. Americans talk about attitude so much it is practically a cliche.

[frank1970]

Thanks for clarification! [:)]

[Central Blue]

ORIGINAL: Frank

Thanks for clarification! [:)]

You're welcome. But don't take lessons from my spelling. [:)]

[Fishbed]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

But the oversensitivity especially in this thread is getting laughable too though (and I´m not pointing at the Elf with this comment). This forum is the best forum I know but even here, I´ve seen hundreds of threads with name calling and comments that have been so much further off the line than the sarcasm I put into this thread. Delete 60% of the threads then because those had worse thread titles than "good to know Uber Cap is gone". What is it? Name calling? Impolite? But hey, we can of course go on posting toes or stuff like that.

Are you kidding us? Sc**w you Castor, you used to be a much nicer AND honest person. Like if you hadn't been an ass for days on this stuff. Are you really convinced yourself when you believe "good to know Uber Cap is gone" can summarize the size of the unbelievable tank of sh*t you've been unleashing for a week?
You keep on calling people who give up oversensitive, while you merely told them they have been doing crap, and that you've got robbed when you bought AE, that you regret you left Witp? Oh yes, go back to Witp and leave us damn sinners alone and HAPPY. Damn it you spoiled kid, don't go back to Witp, go back to counter-strike instead and leave us grown-ups alone!

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

ORIGINAL: castor troy

But the oversensitivity especially in this thread is getting laughable too though (and I´m not pointing at the Elf with this comment). This forum is the best forum I know but even here, I´ve seen hundreds of threads with name calling and comments that have been so much further off the line than the sarcasm I put into this thread. Delete 60% of the threads then because those had worse thread titles than "good to know Uber Cap is gone". What is it? Name calling? Impolite? But hey, we can of course go on posting toes or stuff like that.

Are you kidding us? Sc**w you Castor, you used to be a much nicer AND honest person. Like if you hadn't been an ass for days on this stuff. Are you really convinced yourself when you believe "good to know Uber Cap is gone" can summarize the size of the unbelievable tank of sh*t you've been unleashing for a week?
You keep on calling people who give up oversensitive, while you merely told them they have been doing crap, and that you've got robbed when you bought AE, that you regret you left Witp? Oh yes, go back to Witp and leave us damn sinners alone and HAPPY. Damn it you spoiled kid, don't go back to Witp, go back to counter-strike instead and leave us grown-ups alone!

that´s exactly what I´ve meant

[Fishbed]

Well, uh, no, really, not exactly chap. Im not sure that there's anything "much further off the line" than telling a game-maker he did complete useless shit, and that you'll be better off playing the old game. Especially when you go on saying so over and over again.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Well, uh, no, really, not exactly chap. Im not sure that there's anything "much further off the line" than telling a game-maker he did complete useless shit, and that you'll be better off playing the old game. Especially when you go on saying so over and over again.

funny though what you imply in what I´ve said...

well, I don´t care being the booh booh, at least I´m not one of the brown nosers..

[fabertong]

Hi guys.....can we just let this thread go now....it has ceased to serve any usefull purpose.....from probably page 3 onward....except for being divisive.......and yes.....I do see the irony in me posting in a thread which I'm asking to be let go into the internet ether........

[Andy Mac]

I think we need to end this thread for good or ill its become personal Joe can we lock it please I understand and respect all views expressed (those that arent personal) but I think this thread has run its course.
 
In case Joe isnt around can I ask everyone to take a step back calm down and stop posting in this thread.
 
Castor you have the right to your view I think the thread demonstrates that some peiople don't agree and some people do - I think we should leave it at that
 
Now as I said can we all please just step back.
 
Andy

[Fishbed]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Well, uh, no, really, not exactly chap. Im not sure that there's anything "much further off the line" than telling a game-maker he did complete useless shit, and that you'll be better off playing the old game. Especially when you go on saying so over and over again.

funny though what you imply in what I´ve said...

well, I don´t care being the booh booh, at least I´m not one of the brown nosers..

At least I don't enjoy swallowing my own booh booh like you seem to. If you have the half of a quarter of a sens of pride, at least you'd admit being an a$$ and keep quiet instead of coming back to justify your behaviour. What you did to the man was uncalled for, looking for worst examples and start talking about oversensitivity isn't fair to him, and isn't fair to you and your image of respectable and decent mate, period.

I'll be stepping back now. But allow me to feel disgruntled (and "oversensitive") because some other guy who didn't care just whacked off the forum human support for my goddam game because he couldn't cope with not being an a$$ last week. I paid money too, and I don't see how and why, because he felt robbed, he's got to turn the tables into a position where he can actually make us feel frustrated too. Castor, how expensive would that be to shelf your ego and get done with the attitude for the sake of other players AND fairness?! You don't have to apologize to us for depraving us of our support team, but at least respect our intelligence for the moment being instead of finding new excuses, please.