How do I tell a 9/4 TF to move EXACTLY 10 hexes in one turn?

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:07 pm

Is there a way to tell a TF with 9/4 movement to move exactly 10 hexes in a turn WITHOUT burning 10 max-speed hexes worth of our precious fluids?

Mike Solli · Post by **Mike Solli** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:10 pm

Not sure what you mean. You're going to burn 10 hexes of fuel to move 10 hexes.

Cap Mandrake · Post by **Cap Mandrake** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:39 pm

Yes...set the speed to standard and set you destination hex to exactly 10 hexes and your react range to zero and set to "do not retire". Then check your planned path to the objective hex. If is circuitous and you dont want it to be then set "direct" or use waypoints.

This will only work if your low endurance vessels in the TF don't ask for fuel during the transit or an enemy force is encountered or an iar battle occurs and you have carriers or your commander soils his shorts.

like they say....**** happens.

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:45 pm

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Yes...set the speed to standard and set you destination hex to exactly 10 hexes and your react range to zero and set to "do not retire". Then check your planned path to the objective hex. If is circuitous and you dont want it to be then set "direct" or use waypoints.

This will only work if your low endurance vessels in the TF don't ask for fuel during the transit or an enemy force is encountered or an iar battle occurs and you have carriers or your commander soils his shorts.

like they say....**** happens.

There is no "standard" speed... only Mission, Cruise, and Full. I'm pretty sure it breaks down like this:

Cruise = ship ALWAYS travels at cruising speed
Full = ship ALWAYS travels at full speed
Mission = ship travels at cruise speed except for certain TF types such as Bombardment and Fast Transport, in which it switches to full speed during approach to and egress from the objective.

So how do I make a 9/4 movement TF make a 10-hex movement without setting the convoy to "Full Speed"?

Edit: Keep up the good work on your AAR, Mandrake! Don't let that string in your leg fall out...

witpqs · Post by **witpqs** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:56 pm

The terminology has wandered a bit over time:

Use "Mission Speed" - that's what's really meant by standard.

Likewise, I think "Do Not Retire" is now called "Remain on Station".

Cap Mandrake · Post by **Cap Mandrake** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:23 pm

ORIGINAL: witpqs

The terminology has wandered a bit over time:

Use "Mission Speed" - that's what's really meant by standard.

Likewise, I think "Do Not Retire" is now called "Remain on Station".

Yes, yes...like he said..and when I said "iar battle" I really meant "air battle" [:)]

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:38 pm

But mission speed doesn't make them move 10 hexes in a turn when their speed is only 9/4 or whatever. It makes them move at cruise speed unless their TF type specifies otherwise under specific circumstances.

Mynok · Post by **Mynok** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:40 pm

It has been said several times already: set your destination hex ten hexes away, remain on station, do not react The speed is irrelevant, though I wouldn't use Full.

Done.

rader · Post by **rader** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:16 pm

I believe the answer is that you can't. If you want to be sure of covering the 10 hexes, you have to set full speed and will pay for each (unfortuntaly, you can't move at a speed btw cruise and full as far as I know).

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:43 pm

ORIGINAL: Mynok

It has been said several times already: set your destination hex ten hexes away, remain on station, do not react The speed is irrelevant, though I wouldn't use Full.

Done.

This didn't make ten hexes in one turn for my 9/4 TF in game. It still required a second turn to make it under "Mission speed" or "Cruise speed".

I think the solution is to use "Full speed" in this situation, since it's possible you may only pay fuel penalties for "EXTRA" hexes moved per phase, rather than EVERY hex moved per "full speed" phase.

bradfordkay · Post by **bradfordkay** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:49 pm

At mission speed the TF will usually move in each phase a number of spaces equal to the number after slash. I say usually because I have noticed that many TFs with, say, a speed of 4/3 will move three spaces in the night phase and four in the day phase - but not often enough for me to count on it happening.

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:00 pm

9/4 moves 13 hex...? what is the issue? U set the misison speed, remain on station.. night moves 9, day moves one.. afaik it works great.. remian ofn station a must.. I NEVER use full speed exciept with near dead cripple or in a super duper emergency.. and never with merchies as they move the same...

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:05 pm

9/4 movement means the TF is capable of 9 hexes at max speed, and 4 hexes at cruise speed... just like how it's displayed in-game..

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:06 pm

ok, so... I guess you should move nine then?

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:09 pm

freeboy, that doesn't make any sense in relation to this thread. [&:]

USSAmerica · Post by **USSAmerica** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:40 pm

To move 10 hexes, you have to set the TF to Full speed.  Make sure you set the destination hex 10 hexes away and set do not retire, etc.  You will only pay the "full speed" rate of fuel consumption for each hex traveled beyond "Cruise" range in each phase.  This means at 9/4 rates, you will move 9 hexes in the night phase, consuming 4 "normal" hexes worth of fuel and 5 "full speed" hexes worth of fuel.  Then, in the day phase you will move the remaining 1 hex, at "normal" hex consumption.  The advice for making sure escorts don't need to refuel, etc is also good to remember. 

The key to remember is that the full speed fuel consumption rate only applies for every hex traveled beyond the cruise speed rate in a phase.

ETF · Post by **ETF** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:57 pm

ORIGINAL: USS America

To move 10 hexes, you have to set the TF to Full speed. Make sure you set the destination hex 10 hexes away and set do not retire, etc. You will only pay the "full speed" rate of fuel consumption for each hex traveled beyond "Cruise" range in each phase. This means at 9/4 rates, you will move 9 hexes in the night phase, consuming 4 "normal" hexes worth of fuel and 5 "full speed" hexes worth of fuel. Then, in the day phase you will move the remaining 1 hex, at "normal" hex consumption. The advice for making sure escorts don't need to refuel, etc is also good to remember.

The key to remember is that the full speed fuel consumption rate only applies for every hex traveled beyond the cruise speed rate in a phase.

Excellent I never knew that. Thanks USS!

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:29 pm

sorry, I am sleep deprived... thats muy story and I am sticking to it lol
really I was just off on that post above...[:-][:-]

fflaguna · Post by **fflaguna** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:54 am

ORIGINAL: freeboy

sorry, I am sleep deprived... thats muy story and I am sticking to it lol
really I was just off on that post above...[:-][:-]

No problem, heheh.

madgamer2 · Post by **madgamer2** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:44 pm

does that mean that mission speed means that the TF would arrive at night like in WitP is no longer true?

Madgamer

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