Yet Another Wishlist...

Norm Koger's The Operational Art of War III is the next game in the award-winning Operational Art of War game series. TOAW3 is updated and enhanced version of the TOAW: Century of Warfare game series. TOAW3 is a turn based game covering operational warfare from 1850-2015. Game scale is from 2.5km to 50km and half day to full week turns. TOAW3 scenarios have been designed by over 70 designers and included over 130 scenarios. TOAW3 comes complete with a full game editor.

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1. Option for detailed pop-up combat reporting for only one side... my side (the good guys of course!). I like and use detailed pop-up reporting when it's my turn, but would prefer to walk away while the evil nasty P.O. (the bad guys!) does it's turn (doing the menu bar thing to turn it on and off between turns isn't convenient enough for my lazy #@@ *grin?*).

2. A way to toggle directly between counters being displayed and counters being hidden (i.e. a quicker big picture terrain check) ...and back.
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Option for detailed pop-up combat reporting...

I'd like to see some detailed combat reporting during the playback. As it is now we're just told that a combat occurred in hex x,y
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IIRC originally toaw did allow one to view combat results during playback. Hopefully it won't be too much work.
Navint and an ASW values are still my main concerns. if individual ship speeds are not implemented, perhaps the addition of a NAVINT(naval intercept) value could be given to ships/fleets, perhaps aircraft as well, allowing scen designers to represent speed in that way. Naval and air units on such a mission would react to enemy movement based on distance and NAVINT value. Just another thought Ralph. I'm not sore at the game progress, just watching and waiting like everybody else -not that you said I was. I just don't want to be counted among the 'sore guns' -unless you know something I don't. I know you've spent some time on this. Apart from the implementation of a combat sequence and formula, I would hope it wouldn't be that much work. As long as people are going to post their wishlist desires, I'm obligated to include my 2 cents.
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And another thing......I could really use a "grease pencil" function so that I could "draw" a red circle around active enemy arty tubes and green circles around those I've already unentrenched.  As it is now I save a screenshot of the area and circle those in the picture.  It would be a lot faster to be able to do it in the game instead.  And maybe a toggle to turn on/off the grease pencil marks.
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And another thing......I could really use a "grease pencil" function so that I could "draw" . . .

Larry

That’s a really novel and interesting idea. Use of this feature would only be limited by the player’s imagination and needs. I can see people marking defensive lines, lines of march, formation movements, air strikes, amphibious movements . . . most anything a real commander would plot on the battle map. Great suggestion.

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Larry
That’s a really novel and interesting idea. Use of this feature would only be limited by the player’s imagination and needs. I can see people marking defensive lines, lines of march, formation movements, air strikes, amphibious movements . . . most anything a real commander would plot on the battle map. Great suggestion.
I got the idea by thinking back to my days in Army ROTC class where we would use overlays ( clear plastic a little stiffer / heavier than surran wrap ) and marking on it in grease pencil different colors for different purposes so that nothing at all goes on the 'main' map and the overlays become top secret for the duration of the operation. And yes, I thought it was a great suggestion too. Now if we could only get it implemented.

The uses are unlimited actually. You can layout routes of march, stop lines for assaults, staging areas for the next push, known enemy positions, etc. Different colored grease pencils would be a plus.
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Third that, Larry. Also I imagine once it's coded, you could allow several layers which could be toggled on and off as the player desires. Then allow the designer to add his layers and...

As you say, limitless possibilites. One could show historical battle plans, label large terrain features, mark event radii, demarcate stop lines....
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Great idea, Larry! I think it should not be that difficult to code. One should bring this forward to Ralph. Ben, aren't you in the BETA team?
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It will be interesting to see how you incorporate this feature into your FitE AAR movies. Should also make for some really good screen shots.

Most people probably don't know that you were a Nam C-130 gunner . . . is that a 105 shooting out of the tail?

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Yeah that's a 105mm Howitzer and the guy in the middle is stuffing the chamber with a 42 lb 105 shell.  The gun recoils about 2 ft because they monkey'd with the recoil mechanism to save wear and tear on the plane.  Also the muzzle has to be depressed at least 15 degrees else the blast overpressure can damage the flaps on the left wing.  I was the guy on the right that took the spent shells out of the chamber and threw it into an empty 55 gal. barrel painted red.  Why did they paint them red?  We flew every other night.  The night you didn't fly you loaded the ammo on the plane.  See the rack behind the guys?  That's the rack that holds the 105mm bullets.   The guy on the left next to the 105 is the guy that switches the master arm switch off and on.  Off to load and on just before firing.  So that switch gets a workout most of the time.  Wears out soon.  The curtains next to the ammo rack are flak curtains.  That slows down the schrapnel so that it just enters your body instead of passing all the way though.  LOL.  The skin on the plane is so thin you can stick a screwdriver through it and there's no place to hide so most of the gunners just kneel down next to the gun whenever we get shot at by AAA.  It's the most massively sturdy thing on the entire plane including the engines.  I started writing a book about Spectre gunners one time.  Stopped after the first 6 chapters....it was bringing back memories I didn't want to remember.  You can find the book at this URL:

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And another thing......I could really use a "grease pencil" function so that I could "draw" a red circle around active enemy arty tubes and green circles around those I've already unentrenched.  As it is now I save a screenshot of the area and circle those in the picture.  It would be a lot faster to be able to do it in the game instead.  And maybe a toggle to turn on/off the grease pencil marks.

Item 13.39 in the Wishlist.
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1. Option for detailed pop-up combat reporting for only one side... my side (the good guys of course!). I like and use detailed pop-up reporting when it's my turn, but would prefer to walk away while the evil nasty P.O. (the bad guys!) does it's turn (doing the menu bar thing to turn it on and off between turns isn't convenient enough for my lazy #@@ *grin?*).

Item 13.9.6 in the Wishlist.
2. A way to toggle directly between counters being displayed and counters being hidden (i.e. a quicker big picture terrain check) ...and back.

Spacebar now does this in 3.4
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I'd like to see some detailed combat reporting during the playback. As it is now we're just told that a combat occurred in hex x,y

Item 13.40 in the Wishlist.
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Hey Curtis Lemay:
Thanks for these two guys:

Item 13.39 in the Wishlist.
Item 13.40 in the Wishlist.

Muchly.
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Curtis, so it is in the wish list. I think this is a pretty outstanding idea myself and I salute Larry for it. I've outlined similar ideas. Since you're on the development team in some function, I think it would be fair to indicate how well a certain idea is received by you, and also within the group and how likely it is to get attention. This wish list itemization doen't tell much about which way TOAW is heading. But maybe I've missed something in the way the official communication about development is set up.

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1. Option for detailed pop-up combat reporting for only one side... my side (the good guys of course!). I like and use detailed pop-up reporting when it's my turn, but would prefer to walk away while the evil nasty P.O. (the bad guys!) does it's turn (doing the menu bar thing to turn it on and off between turns isn't convenient enough for my lazy #@@ *grin?*).

Item 13.9.6 in the Wishlist.

I did not see an official wishlist on the developer's blog... so I didn't know there was one. I was more musing "out loud" as I know Ralph sometimes posts around here.


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2. A way to toggle directly between counters being displayed and counters being hidden (i.e. a quicker big picture terrain check) ...and back.

Spacebar now does this in 3.4

Then let me correct that one to...

2. Having 3.4 *grin*

And amend one more..

3. What Larry said (greaseboard). *grin*
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I did not see an official wishlist on the developer's blog... so I didn't know there was one. I was more musing "out loud" as I know Ralph sometimes posts around here.

I think the wishlist here is as official as it gets. If you're talking about what is going to be in 3.4 then the draft readme from April last year is as close as it gets...

3.4.0.79 DRAFT readme

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It's not like this patch is coming out tomorrow, and apparently Ralph hasn't done anything to improve larger scenarios(again) nixing the naval completely. Should I be surprised? No. I think they should just make TOAW for the eastern front. Matrix could then have a category; 'eastern front' games; all displaying precisely the same conflict, and then comparison shop. While those of us interested more in other scenarios pray for a new game elsewhere. I guess this is what the 'sore gun' comment was about as Ralph indeed knew something I didn't. E tu brut.
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