This new stand alone release based on the legendary War in the Pacific from 2 by 3 Games adds significant improvements and changes to enhance game play, improve realism, and increase historical accuracy. With dozens of new features, new art, and engine improvements, War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition brings you the most realistic and immersive WWII Pacific Theater wargame ever!
Don, I just got a letter from the War Museum in London, and they sent me to a different museum to get information on the dry docks and floating dry docks used in the Pacific and Indian oceans by the RN. I have my fingers crossed.
Excellent. I'll cross my fingers too. In fact, I'll cross everything I got two of!
While you're there...
Looking into projected movement of ships to the Pacific after VE day. We know that large number of warships were projected to be sent but that this was aborted when Japan surrendered. The British Pacific Fleet was projected to be at full strength by the beginning of Downfall (circa 3/46).
Very interested in warships that were intended to go east. Looks like almost all remaining cruisers and carriers, plus a bunch of DD. Apparently the A-I group were stood down, some or all of the J-N group were to be sent, no reference for the O-P flotillas, and virtually everything Q and on.
Do you have any data on a projected "Ce" class? 5th flotilla of Ca, Cr, Ch, Co....
Any indication that Vanguard may have been given priority for completion by early 1946?
In general, we'd like to include the post 9/45 build up - it will be needed if a Downfall like outcome happens!
Do you have any data on a projected "Ce" class? 5th flotilla of Ca, Cr, Ch, Co....
I've never heard of that. Maybe that's a misunderstanding as the "Z" class was virtually identical to the "C" class and the five Z/C class flotillas (10th - 14th Emergency flotilla) were all ordered in 1942. After their combat experience in the Med, the RN wanted destroyers with genuine dual-purpose armament, so they stopped buying utility destroyers with the C class and concentrated on acquiring fleet destroyers with longer range for use in the PTO; the first 16 "Battle" class destroyers were also ordered in 1942 and a further 24 of a slightly modified type in 1943. The "Weapon" class which was ordered in 1944 was again a smaller type but it was a completely new design, with the engine spaces arranged on the unit principle. So I think this "CE" class is completely mythical.
In general, we'd like to include the post 9/45 build up - it will be needed if a Downfall like outcome happens!
As you may know, all the DDs of the Ch, Cr, and Co classes were completed post-WWII, mainly because of late delivery of their Mk VI directors; for the same reason, only "Barfleur" of the "Battle" class was finished early enough to deploy to the PTO before the end of the war (mid-1945, after being commissioned in September 1944). Later units of the "Battle" class apparently switched to the more readily available US Mk 37 director. Now, assuming that the ships would have to be commissioned in September/October 1945 at the latest to be present in the PTO by March 1946 (which is possibly overly generous), if we keep to the RL timetable, this would have meant at least another 7 "C" class and 6 "Battle" class DDs, possibly another "Battle" and 4-5 "C" class units assuming no slowdown after VE-Day.
The interesting scenario would be to assume that the RN, recognizing early on that the MK VI would be late in delivery, would have switched to the Mk. 37 instead, thus avoiding delayed completion of the ships. If we now assume that the timespan from launch to combat-readiness in the PTO would be 14 months for the "C" class and 16 months for the "Battle" class, that would mean having maybe 18 "C" class and 12 "Battle" class ships in the PTO for Downfall.
A "Ce" flotilla, if it existed, would have been projected in the 1941-42 timeframe. I have seen only two references to such a flotilla, neither with any supporting references. I believe one mentioned the Weapons class of 1944 as a replacement for the Ce.
I believe all of the first group of the Battle class were to ship the Mk VI director. The first 9 were completed by Jan, 1946 with this director and the remaining seven duirng the rest of 1946. Considering slowdowns in completions of all (non-cancelled) warships after VJ day, it is possible that some or all could be completed earlier. Looking for data on this.
The second group did adopt the Mk 37, along with the 4.5 DP twin turrets. I do not believe any of these could be ready in time, nor any of the third group.
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New ship classes:
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TM 4 'OJR' same as 219 Type: SC (Sub Chaser) 1x1 DC Rack (4 DCs) facing rear replacing the 45mm H1 Torpedo (2x1)
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Have never heard of this. I know that eight PTCs were ordered from the US and given OJR names. Six delivered to Java and lost, the last two to West Indies.
But PTC is a problem. They were not successful as a type as the high speed made it impossible to maintain accoustic contact with a target submarine. And, if they slowed down, there was little justification for the expense and maintenance of the high speed engines. Those in the US Navy were converted to PT or MGBs, or else lend leased to the Royal Navy - which did the same.
All the dutch sources give the same information about the three TM-Boats. The fact that only one commander of these boats is known, is an indication of their failure.
The PTCs you speak of, were OJR-1 to OJR-8. These were also known as Higgins-boats. They were absolutely useless and never became operational.
All the dutch sources give the same information about the three TM-Boats. The fact that only one commander of these boats is known, is an indication of their failure.
The PTCs you speak of, were OJR-1 to OJR-8. These were also known as Higgins-boats. They were absolutely useless and never became operational.
OJR means onderzeebootjager (= Sub Chaser).
Thanks for you data. One learns something new everyday.
These vessels belonged to the Gouvernementsmarine but were requested by the Kon. Marine. Commanders were a mix of Gouvernementsmarine and Kon. Marine.
Sources:
Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1922-1946
L.L. von Münching Schepen van de Kon. Marine in de tweede Wereldoorlog
Ph.M. Bosscher De Koninklijke Marine in de Tweede Wereloorlog (3 volumes)
P.S. van't Haaff/M.J.C. Klaassen Gedenkboek Adelborsten-Opleiding te Willemsoord 1854-1954
Chris Mark Schepen van de Koninklijke Marine in W.O. II
New Ship Classes:
Bangkalan Type: CMc Month/Year: 2/42 Max Spd: 10 Tonnage: 397 Armament: 2x12.7mmAA 30 Mines
Ciska Type: AMc Max Spd: 9 Tonnage: 133 Armament: 1x37mm 2x12.7mmAA
Holland Type: AMc Tonnage: 120 Armament: 2x12.7mmAA
Ship Class changes:
257- Name: Kawi Month: 12 Max Spd: 10 Tonnage: 51 Armament: 2x7.7mmAA
254- Name: Aroe Month: 12 Tonnage: 145 Armament: 2x37mm, 2x7.7mmAA
253- Name: Merbaboe Month: 12 Tonnage: 60 Armament: 2x7.7mmAA
256- Name: Endeh Month: 12 Armanent: 2x7.7mmAA
255- should be deleted, no ships of this class were ever launched
New Leaders:
Sax, H.N. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 420216 **
van den Berg, W.T.L. Rank: LCDR Type: Task Force Delay: 411201
Hokke, P. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
Bik, W.F.K. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
Wasch, J.A. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
Mooij, M.A. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Jonkers Both, E.J.W. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Vermeulen, J.P.C.K. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
Korthals Altes, J. Rank: LCDR Type: Task Force Delay: 411201
Diekerhoff, F.L. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Vegter, E.J.P. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Monteiro, J. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Jedeloo, H. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Kuiper, L. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Roozen, P.A.H. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Masselink, J. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
de Wolff, J.J. Rank: LCDR Type: Task Force Delay: 411201
van Gulpen, H. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
van Loopik, G.J. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
Geelhoed, P.T. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
van der Roest, H.J. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
Kraal, H.L.W. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201 *
* = Gouvernementsmarine
** = Gouvernementsmarine and Koninklijke Marine Reserve
Gouvernementsmarine Ranks:
gezaghebber (roughly equivalent to LCDR)
1e officier (roughly equivalent to LT)
2e officier/3e officier (roughly equivalent to ENS)
Why can't tanker TF replenish themselves. Running out of fuel seems stupid when you have loads on.
And fuel supply seems to very poor. Looks like you get a tanker TF to unload in port only to replenish itself...
Why can't tanker TF replenish themselves. Running out of fuel seems stupid when you have loads on.
And fuel supply seems to very poor. Looks like you get a tanker TF to unload in port only to replenish itself...
I do not recall why but the issue was considered and the decision was made not to include it. A real-world technical limitation perhaps??
Why can't tanker TF replenish themselves. Running out of fuel seems stupid when you have loads on.
And fuel supply seems to very poor. Looks like you get a tanker TF to unload in port only to replenish itself...
I do not recall why but the issue was considered and the decision was made not to include it. A real-world technical limitation perhaps??
Why can't tanker TF replenish themselves. Running out of fuel seems stupid when you have loads on.
And fuel supply seems to very poor. Looks like you get a tanker TF to unload in port only to replenish itself...
No that is silly. many ships can transfer there bunker fuel and that is in the game but tankers cannot transfer cargo to other ships for fuel. They did not have the right pumps and did not have the right cargo. So what if the tanker has crude oil or naptha or airplane gasoline, or something else? So no a tanker will not refeul from a cargo and it did not but if it has fuel it can share that and that is all it can do.
Why can't tanker TF replenish themselves. Running out of fuel seems stupid when you have loads on.
And fuel supply seems to very poor. Looks like you get a tanker TF to unload in port only to replenish itself...
No that is silly. many ships can transfer there bunker fuel and that is in the game but tankers cannot transfer cargo to other ships for fuel. They did not have the right pumps and did not have the right cargo. So what if the tanker has crude oil or naptha or airplane gasoline, or something else? So no a tanker will not refeul from a cargo and it did not but if it has fuel it can share that and that is all it can do.
In my game I see them working as you describe - they refuel escorts, but not from cargo.
People, sorry about the bother, but I've been seeing this a lot in many AARs so far: may we make sure that, in the next patch, Miss "La" Triomphant becomes Mr. "Le" Triomphant as he ought to be? [;)]
People, sorry about the bother, but I've been seeing this a lot in many AARs so far: may we make sure that, in the next patch, Miss "La" Triomphant becomes Mr. "Le" Triomphant as he ought to be? [;)]
thanks in advance!
Tres bien, Monsieur Fishbed. I do not know about the patches, but Mr. Le Triomphant has a correct gender in da babes mod. [:)]
