Murmansk and Baku

[sven6345789]

Hi, there is a thread further down showing the whole map (beautiful sight , btw).

Murmansk and Baku are not part of it
Do you get a fixed amount of supply/Lendlease?

Are there special rules planned?

[Helpless]

Baku is on map. Murmansk is not. So far the lend lease is static.

[PyleDriver]

Just in case your wondering, what Pavel means by static is you recieve it as the Soviet player, however you have no control over it...

[sven6345789]

thanks for the answer!

in the unlikely event of the finnish cutting the rail line to Murmansk, will Lend-Lease stop?
regarding the Finnish. Are they limited in their movement? After all, the finnish were mostly interested in recapturing their territory.

[Helpless]

in the unlikely event of the finnish cutting the rail line to Murmansk, will Lend-Lease stop?

no

Are they limited in their movement?

yes

[paullus99]

If, for whatever reason, the allies hadn't been able to ship to Murmansk - they would have just upped the amount of LL coming in through the Pacific & Middle East.

[HMSWarspite]

I am fairly sure that more came that way than through Murmansk/Archangel at least...

[Balou]

Lend Lease shipments from June 20, 1941 thru September 20, 1945:

North Russia & Soviet Far East (Wladiwostok) 8,696.000 tons
Persian Gulf 4,160.000 tons
Soviet Arctis (Murmansk etc) 3,964.000 tons
Black Sea 681.000 tons

Got those figures from some Lend Lease web page (can't remember which one), but there was a beautiful map with all these figures. This one I kept.

[Helpless]

http://www.o5m6.de/Routes.html

tm.asp?m=2369479

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Balou

Lend Lease shipments from June 20, 1941 thru September 20, 1945:

North Russia & Soviet Far East (Wladiwostok) 8,696.000 tons
Persian Gulf 4,160.000 tons
Soviet Arctis (Murmansk etc) 3,964.000 tons
Black Sea 681.000 tons

Got those figures from some Lend Lease web page (can't remember which one), but there was a beautiful map with all these figures. This one I kept.

Warspite1

Source: Sacrifice for Stalin
Author states that by the end of the war approx 25% came via the Arctic, 25% via Middle East and 50% via Vladivostok.

[ComradeP]

Those convoys in the Pacific were sailing right next to Japan, makes you wonder how they got through.

[Balou]

The North Pacific route .... consisted of two parts. The sea route extended from U.S. West Coast ports, such as Seattle, through Alaskan ports to Vladivostok.
Ships on the western part of this route were under Soviet flag and were treated as neutral vessels by Japan, which was anxious not to disturb its non-aggression pact with Russia.


From: The Pacific War Online Encyclopedia © 2007, 2009 by Kent G. Budge.

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/L/e/Lend-Lease.htm

[ComradeP]

I thought that would be the most likely explanation, I assumed the Soviets didn't have enough ships in the Pacific to ensure regular deliveries, but non-Soviet ships operating as "Soviet" ships by waving the Soviet flag around also makes sense.

[Balou]

Could have given some headache to the Japanese had they known what was on those ships.

[paullus99]

They probably did - but didn't want to take the chance of annoying the Russians (especially after it was clear the Germans weren't going to just roll over them).