How to upgrade units to George???

[CV Zuikaku]

I have a big problem! I have commited many efforts to speed up the arrival of N1K1-J fighters earlier... and now have more than 100 in the pool, but am able to upgrade only one A6M3 unit. PDUs are on, and this drives me nuts becouse I planned to upgrade all elite zero sentais to Georges, and now it seems I wasted time and supplies to nothing. Why it is impossible to upgrade zeroes to Georges with PDUs on? Upgrading to A6M5s also don't help since A6M5 is not path to George? Can something be done about that? I'm demoralized now... [:(]

[Mark Weston]

Well I think the answer is that all the squadrons that start with Claudes or Zeros are carrier capable and therefore won't allow an upgrade to non-carrier-capable aircraft.

This does raise the question of how useful the George actually can be, and I hadn't considered this problem until you posted. Shame, because it looks like a very nice plane.

P.S. How much earlier did you manage to push it?

[CV Zuikaku]

May '43. Along with A6M5. And now , I have an excellent figter which I can mass produce and some strange rules preventing me from upgrading units to it! Come on, what are PDUs for if I can not upgrade navy fighter unit to any navy fighter!!?? If I wanted that limitations I'd put PDUs off from the start... This is wrong...

[khyberbill]

If it makes you feel any better, Allies I have similar problems. I can only upgrade Marine F4F's to Corsairs.

[P.Hausser]

The Jap's get ONLY 5 Groups of Navy Fighters who can be Jack's or George !
So, serial producing the Jack or George is... well, would been nice but.. They way they have set it up makes your Navy Fighter Air Force useless as soon as you hit little into 43.

[viberpol]

ORIGINAL: P.Hausser

The Jap's get ONLY 5 Groups of Navy Fighters who can be Jack's or George !
So, serial producing the Jack or George is... well, would been nice but.. They way they have set it up makes your Navy Fighter Air Force useless as soon as you hit little into 43.

Sorry, but IMHO it's not true.
CV Zuikaku, just take a look at this thread: tm.asp?m=2315507&mpage=1&key=

Sometimes, some upgrade can open a new path. When you upgrade a squadron to A6M5 it opens.
But it stil looks as if some groups will never be able to upgrade into Georges or Jacks...

[n01487477]

ORIGINAL: viberpol

ORIGINAL: P.Hausser

The Jap's get ONLY 5 Groups of Navy Fighters who can be Jack's or George !
So, serial producing the Jack or George is... well, would been nice but.. They way they have set it up makes your Navy Fighter Air Force useless as soon as you hit little into 43.

Sorry, but IMHO it's not true.
CV Zuikaku, just take a look at this thread: tm.asp?m=2315507&mpage=1&key=

Sometimes, some upgrade can open a new path. When you upgrade a squadron to A6M5 it opens.
But it stil looks as if some groups will never be able to upgrade into Georges or Jacks...

Viperpool is correct, some upgrades do open up more options ... here is a look from Tracker (yes I know that it doesn't show all the upgrades if you unlock ... but I'm working on it)

[CV Zuikaku]

Thank you all, I've been experimenting last night and here are the results. The status of an airgroup opens upgrade paths. Carrier trained groups have the least options and can upgrade only to carrier fighters (Zeroes and Reppus). Carrier capable groups have similar upgrade paths, but when upgraded to A6M5 the path opens to later versions of George. And that is useless until late '44. Third type of groups are neither carrier trained or capable. And they can upgrade to anything. And now I need to know is there any way for carrier trained/capable groups to lose their status and became normal land based groups. Hope there is some. And I still can not understand why we are unable to upgrade groups to anything we want with PDUs on. Maybe something could be done in the future patch... And what to do now with hundreds of N1K1s if I have to stuck with aging A6M2s... [:@]

[LoBaron]

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ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

Thank you all, I've been experimenting last night and here are the results. The status of an airgroup opens upgrade paths. Carrier trained groups have the least options and can upgrade only to carrier fighters (Zeroes and Reppus). Carrier capable groups have similar upgrade paths, but when upgraded to A6M5 the path opens to later versions of George. And that is useless until late '44. Third type of groups are neither carrier trained or capable. And they can upgrade to anything. And now I need to know is there any way for carrier trained/capable groups to lose their status and became normal land based groups. Hope there is some. And I still can not understand why we are unable to upgrade groups to anything we want with PDUs on. Maybe something could be done in the future patch... And what to do now with hundreds of N1K1s if I have to stuck with aging A6M2s... [:@]

Thats an example of hard a dev´s work is, sometimes. [:D]

In stock everybode complained about how unrealistic it is that Japan can field 1000´s of late war high performance fighters or every US CV stuffed to the throat with uber Corsairs
and when they find a solution that is elegant (and historically rewarding [;)] ) people want the opposite again.

I like it this way personally because it forces to play a bit closer to history.

[P.Hausser]

HOW many groups in TOTAL can become Geroge (prior to 1944) ! 

Is it correct that some Carrier Capable A6M3 reinforcement groups can upgrade to the non Carrier Capable George anyway ?
(PDU ON) This is important to my personal strategy, is it possible to acces a relieble list ?

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[P.Hausser]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron


In stock everybode complained about how unrealistic it is that Japan can field 1000´s of late war high performance fighters

Why is it unrealistic ?
Japan historically build 3300 Franks, - and if - they wanted I'm sure they could made 3300 Georges instead of the Frank's.
If they had made the industrial investments necessary then maybe they could have made both.

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: P.Hausser

ORIGINAL: LoBaron


In stock everybode complained about how unrealistic it is that Japan can field 1000´s of late war high performance fighters

Why is it unrealistic ?
Japan historically build 3300 Franks, - and if - they wanted I'm sure they could made 3300 Georges instead of the Frank's.
If they had made the industrial investments necessary then maybe they could have made both.

Sorry if I wasn´t clear enough.
The OP referred to the limited upgrade path of CV based fighters and so my answer referred to CV based fighters.

Japan is still able to produce loads of land based high performance fighters, just not able to put some types on carriers.
And I truly love the simple solution by limiting the upgrade paths of carrier squads.

You can check the upgrade paths in AE tracker, Wonderful tool btw. [:)]

[CV Zuikaku]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron



Thats an example of hard a dev´s work is, sometimes. [:D]

In stock everybode complained about how unrealistic it is that Japan can field 1000´s of late war high performance fighters or every US CV stuffed to the throat with uber Corsairs
and when they find a solution that is elegant (and historically rewarding [;)] ) people want the opposite again.

I like it this way personally because it forces to play a bit closer to history.

Those who want to play it historical or close to history have the option to switch PDUs off! What's the use of PDUs switched ON if we are unable to upgrade group to whatever plane we want?! I'm playing vs. AI and do not want to play historical way. I want to change few things. I do not want to put Franks or Georges to carriers, just to eqouip land baseg navy FGs with N1K1s. So ,is there any way for airgroup to lose carrier capable status or not?

[LoBaron]

Sometimes a little trick helps: downgrad to an older type and reupgrade to a new path.

I am not totally sure but this could work.

Edit: I´ve never tried this yet, but read about it.

[CV Zuikaku]

Downgrading do not open new paths also.... [:@]

[PaxMondo]

Or mod the George to be carrier capable and then a house rule that forbids them being used on CV's except for transport.  That lets them be used how you wish.  Particularly useful if you lose a CV, but not the airgroups.

[CV Zuikaku]

That won't help me with campaign in progress... I'll need to restart ,and I don't want to do that....

[n01487477]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Or mod the George to be carrier capable and then a house rule that forbids them being used on CV's except for transport.  That lets them be used how you wish.  Particularly useful if you lose a CV, but not the airgroups.

I still think a mod that allows them to have them downgrade to the M3 and then upgrade is the best solution ... no HR's involved.

[chesmart]

Is It a Regular Scenario or a Custom Scenario ?

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

That won't help me with campaign in progress... I'll need to restart ,and I don't want to do that....

Does it really have to mean you need to restart?

It is admittedly VERY annoying but you have (non CV) squads that work fine with George.
You just need to find a fitting upgrade for your CV squads.