Late war screenshots?

[Great_Ajax]

Thanks, Steve. I have seen that site. What I really need is a listing of those army and corps level support units and who they were assigned to. Keke said he was willing to help me out

Trey

[wiking62]

Okay Trey, as Keke is from Finalnd he will probably have better access to information.

I do have some on Horse drawn field artillery regiments:

June 1941 Finnish Army had 16 light horse-drawn Field Artillery Regiments (KTR):

KTR 1 - 4.Division
KTR 2 - 7.Division
KTR 3 - 5.Division
KTR 4 - 11.Division
KTR 5 - 1.Division
KTR 7 - 12.Division
KTR 8 (motorized) - 17.Division
KTR 9 - 10.Division
KTR 10 - 19.Division
KTR 11 - 8.Division
KTR 12 - 15.Division
KTR 14 - 6.Division
KTR 15 - 2.Division
KTR 16 - 3.Division
KTR 18 - 14.Division
KTR 19 - 18.Division

Independent artillery units in June 1941 were:

6 Light Artillery Battalions (Kev.Psto 10 - 15)
20 Heavy Artillery Battalion (Rask.Psto 1 - 4, 12 - 17, 21 - 30)
3 Super Heavy Artillery Battalions (Jär.Psto 1 - 3, on 12.7.41 Jär.Psto 2 was re-named as Jär.Psto 4)
10th Separate Super Heavy Battery (10.Jär.Ptri)
Riding Battery (for Cavalry Brigade) (Rats.Ptri)
Petsamo Battery (initially "co-operated" with 36th Frontier Jäger Company in the far north)

All independent units were motorized except Rask.Psto 24 and 28 which were partially horse-drawn and Rask.Psto 25, 26, 27, 29, 30 and Riding Battery which were horse-drawn.

[wiking62]

FINNISH ARMOURED UNITS OF DIVISIONS AND ARMY CORPS IN 1941:

2. Panssari Auto Joukkue (2nd Armoured Car Platoon):
- Vehicles: 3 x BA-20M armoured car
- Subordinate of 2nd Army Corps (II AK), subordinate of 2nd Division starting 3rd of July 1941

5. Panssari Auto Joukkue (5th Armoured Car Platoon):
- Vehicles: 3 x BA-10 armoured car
- Subordinate of Ryhmä O (Group O) in Uimaharju
- In October 1941 armoured cars replaced with T-37/T-38 amphibious tanks

7. Panssari Auto Joukkue (7th Armoured Car Platoon
- Vehicles: 3 x BA-10 armoured car
- Subordinate of 7th Army Corps (VII AK) supporting Light Detachment 15 (Kevyt Osasto 15)

Kevyt Hyokkaysvaunu Joukkue (Light Tank Platoon)
- Vehicles: 3 x T-37/T-38 amhibious tanks
- Subordinate of 12th Brigade (12. Prikaati), support of Infantry Regiment 12 (JR 12). Later subordinate of 6th Division (6. DIV) supporting its Infantry Regiment 33 (JR 33).

4. Panssari Auto Joukkue (4th Armoured Car Platoon):
- Vehicles: 3 x armoured car
- Subordinate of 4th Division (4. DIV) belonging to 4th Army Corps (IV AK)
- 15th of July 1941 one of the armoured cars transferred to Vesivaunujoukkue.

Vesivaunujoukkue (Amphibious Tank Platoon):
- Vehicles: 3 x T-37/T-38 amphibious tank
- Subordinate of 4th Division (4. DIV) belonging to 4th Army Corps (IV AK)
- 15th of July one armoured car added to platoon and the platoon renamed as Erillinen Panssariauto Joukkue (Seperate Armoured Car Platoon)

1. Panssari Auto Joukkue (1st Armoured Car Platoon):
- Vehicles: 3 x armoured car
- Subordinate of 10th Division (10. DIV), later suborinate of 6th Army Corps (VI AK)
 
Source - Käkelä:Laguksen Miehet-Marskin Nyrkki.
 
I'll shut up now and leave it to Keke.
 
[:D]

[JJKettunen]

ORIGINAL: hart2412

Okay Trey, as Keke is from Finalnd he will probably have better access to information.

I do have some on Horse drawn field artillery regiments:

I could give you all of their TOEs. [8D]

For example KTR 1 (Field Artillery Regiment 1) had on 1 July 1941 (using Finnish abbreviations here):

12 x 105 H 41
16 x 76 K 02
8 x 122 H 09-03

On 1 January 1944 it had:

16 x 76 K 02
4 x 122 H 10-30
4 x 122 H 09-30
12 x 152 H 09-30

On 16 July 1944 it had:

24 x 76 K 02
12 x 152 H 09-03

No changes thereafter.

Source: Jatkosodan historia 6 (The History of Continuation War, vol 6)

[wiking62]

ORIGINAL: Keke

ORIGINAL: hart2412

Okay Trey, as Keke is from Finalnd he will probably have better access to information.

I do have some on Horse drawn field artillery regiments:

I could give you all of their TOEs. [8D]

For example KTR 1 (Field Artillery Regiment 1) had on 1 July 1941 (using Finnish abbreviations here):

12 x 105 H 41
16 x 76 K 02
8 x 122 H 09-03

On 1 January 1944 it had:

16 x 76 K 02
4 x 122 H 10-30
4 x 122 H 09-30
12 x 152 H 09-30

On 16 July 1944 it had:

24 x 76 K 02
12 x 152 H 09-03

No changes thereafter.

Source: Jatkosodan historia 6 (The History of Continuation War, vol 6)

I have information like that hidden away on my backup drive somewhere, but i really think i should leave this to you. I really struggle with the translations from Finnish to English.

[&o]

[jaw]

ORIGINAL: Helpless

We don't have much of scenarios, but units (TOE) are set. Some examples:

The 44 Guards Tank Corps strength is wrong and it is my mistake. The correct strength for the corps should be 12,000 men. Allow me to explain how this error was made:

When Gary created the first pass through the OB files he had support equal to 1 support squad per tank, gun, squad, etc. in the unit. This ratio not only created unhistorically huge units but it implied that there was no difference in the support requirements of the various combat elements so that a two man anti-tank rifle team required as much support as a 150mm howitzer and crew. In an effort to come up with something more rationale I devised a formula which allocated support based on the size and maintenance/supply requirements of the combat element. Therefore an ATR team would only receive a small fraction of the support an artillery piece or a tank would. Although the logic of this formula made sense, it still produced units unhistorically large. As a result we decided to ignore any causal relationship between combat element and support and simply have support equal to the difference between the manpower required for the combat elements of the unit and the actual (historical) size of the unit. I then went back through the data base to revise all the support elements accordingly but must have missed the 44 Guards Tank Corps. It should have (and now does) only 308 support squads giving the unit a total manpower strength of 12,000.

I want to thank Pavel for posting this screen shot so I could discover my error and ComradeP for questioning the manpower totals. Given the size and complexity of these OB files it always helps to have as many eyes looking at it as possible.

[Zovs]

Hello, I have been testing the 1943 AI's if I can get permission I can post some screen shot of the 43 actions if there was any interest. Alternatively, if permission was granted I could even do a 43 AAR.

If permission was granted which side of the AAR would be most interesting to see?

I know from personal testing (over 30 or so) that the more 'funner' side to play is the Soviets, they get to really hammer the Germans. The more challenging side and most frustrating side to play is the Axis.

[wiking62]

ORIGINAL: dlazov66

Hello, I have been testing the 1943 AI's if I can get permission I can post some screen shot of the 43 actions if there was any interest. Alternatively, if permission was granted I could even do a 43 AAR.

If permission was granted which side of the AAR would be most interesting to see?

I know from personal testing (over 30 or so) that the more 'funner' side to play is the Soviets, they get to really hammer the Germans. The more challenging side and most frustrating side to play is the Axis.

If you get permission, I would like to see a 43 AAR from the Axis side.

[pejsek]

If you get the permission, I would like to see the Soviet side, because we already have a lot of screenshots from the Axis side.

[SGHunt]

if I can get permission I can post some screen shot of the 43 actions

You have my permission!

[Captain B]

I'd like to see it from the Axis side as well...it would give us an idea of how well the AI carries the offensive to the Germans.

[Zovs]

Sorry, came up out of my hole and I could not help myself from posting this, notice anything?  [:D]



Can you fine the trapped Germans?



There are two types of attacks hasty and full, this one was a full attack near Leningrad, darn my Red Army was held!



Okay, sorry for the disturbance, back to my hole...

[Montbrun]

Awesome screenshots. Thanks!

Brad

[ComradeP]

Thanks for the screenshots!

Outnumbered 6-1 in men and almost 10-1 in artillery, the Germans held. I'd guess that was mostly because you didn't bring a large amount of tanks.

There were 3 SS PzG divisions in the Kharkov/Dnepr area in real life in mid to late 1943. In the first screenshot, I see 3 elite SS units: a division, a brigade and an unclear unit, as well as Florian Geyer. The second screenshot shows only 1 SS division and Florian Geyer. Are the rest of them dead? I'm a bit confused as to what the SS division at Leningrad is, did the AI move Florian Geyer there in the 2 months since the second screenshot?

[wiking62]

Thanks for the screenshots. Nice to see some from the Russian side.

[Plainian]

Axis had 4 Division sized units defending? Stacking limit is 3? Was 1 of these units a reserve?

It also looks like the aim for a defender is to keep straight line so that he reduces the number of hexes from which he can be attacked from. Corner hexes will be fatal.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Plain Ian

Axis had 4 Division sized units defending? Stacking limit is 3? Was 1 of these units a reserve?

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Looks like two divisions were added in reserve. Both the German units outlined in red got added as reserves. So there were probably two units stacked in the defending hex.

[Zovs]

Lee is correct, the original hex (you just can't see) had one German Inf.Div. and one Luft.Inf.Div. defending but the 2 Pz.Div. in reserve were thrown into to it's defense. If you look very carefully, you'll see I had 41 afv but the 2 Pz.Div. and 494 (these are not all tanks but tanks and other vehicles). So those two reserve units upset the attack here.

[Reedster]

I so cannot wait for this game, especially itching to try the Germans in '43 - been re-reading Manstein and Mellenthin. Can I get an early copy if I paid double or even triple the price? Yes, I'm a very desperate man [:D]

[wodin]

Like the way generals can be killed and the game informs you...great detail...love it