War Weariness... too much?

[forsaken1111]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

well, war weariness is affected by type of Gov, and perhaps by race too?

I'm sorry I didn't mention, but in the example I gave I was playing a very warlike race, one of the insect races with a natural war weariness tolerance, and had a hive mind government which also had a war weariness tolerance. I still had rebellions every time I established a new colony, and my people at home were very unhappy.

This is a race which has in its backstory that they love to conquer and war on others, and are very xenophobic. I would think they would be HAPPY about me killing someone else, especially when the war never reaches my own colonies.

[Wicky]

Forsaken1111, the problem is not just "Distant Worlds"-specific. It has been around all forums since CIV4 implemented the whole concept of war weariness, and is still discussed in the Civ-fanatics forum till this day. Other devs like matrixgames have just copied the idea.

Basically, the problem persists, as long as any enemy race can cause you to suffer the effects of war weariness as long as they want it and refuse to offer peace.

My suggestion, to split the formal declaration of war between empires. One empire could declare war on another, but the other empire refuses to declare war back war on the originator! In this solution, only the offensive empire can attack colonies, suffer war weariness. Until you declare war yourself to be able to attack their colonies, you are bound to just defend. But you don't suffer war weariness.
Basically it just boils down to, if your colonies are rebelling, you just stop the war. Your war weariness stops. You don't have to beg for peace of pay outrageous sums to stop war weariness. You won't suffer anymore, but you also can't attack anymore, just defend.

[forsaken1111]

for the more 'evil' races I'd appreciate something as simple as a propaganda option which costs money but stifles war weariness.

[idgar]

ORIGINAL: Wicky

My suggestion, to split the formal declaration of war between empires. One empire could declare war on another, but the other empire refuses to declare war back war on the originator! In this solution, only the offensive empire can attack colonies, suffer war weariness. Until you declare war yourself to be able to attack their colonies, you are bound to just defend. But you don't suffer war weariness.
Basically it just boils down to, if your colonies are rebelling, you just stop the war. Your war weariness stops. You don't have to beg for peace of pay outrageous sums to stop war weariness. You won't suffer anymore, but you also can't attack anymore, just defend.

Why shouldn't the defenders colonies suffer war weariness?

The risk of sudden death by bombing, invasion or getting shot down in an undefended trading ship seems like a pretty understandable source of unhappiness...

[Duckfang]

ORIGINAL: Wicky

Nop, there's a gargantuan mistake in your logical pattern!
If some bully punches me in the stomach, I can either fight back or stand still and have the Option B to do nothing. As stupid as it sounds, but I can just stand still and wait for more punches. For example Ghandi, when the English were at war with the Indians, but the Indians were not at war with them. They just refused to engage in any resistance.

Nice job warping history. The Indians resisted plenty -- they just didn't use violence to do it. Since when was that a "war", anyway? I'm pretty sure the British saw it as policing their colonies; not fighting a war. Wars involve organised violence committed by opposing armed forces.

As for my logic, lol? You really think you have a choice when it comes to whether or not a state of war exists between you and another state? You can refuse to engage in hostilities and be a galactic coward, but a state of war is still going to exist whether you want it to or not. A state of war can be declared by a single party, but it needs an agreement between both the aggressor and the defender in order to return to a state of peace. It does not take the agreement of both parties in order to start a war, lol.

Your people are unhappy that they're at risk of having their homes bombed from orbit, or perhaps they're unhappy that their kin are being killed defending your worlds and you aren't doing anything to stop it. I've had my race drawn into plenty of wars, some of which last for years, and I haven't had any real problem with War Weariness. I'm a Teekan Democracy, for reference.

If war weariness is messing you up that badly then perhaps you need to sue for peace. Swallow your pride and give them whatever they want. I personally think that if you're not even striking back at the enemy then your war weariness should climb even faster as your people begin to wonder why on earth they're being made to sit there and take a pounding.

In summary, all I see in your posts is "The AI is beating me and I don't like it".

[forsaken1111]

ORIGINAL: Duckfang

Your people are unhappy that they're at risk of having their homes bombed from orbit, or perhaps they're unhappy that their kin are being killed defending your worlds and you aren't doing anything to stop it. I've had my race drawn into plenty of wars, some of which last for years, and I haven't had any real problem with War Weariness. I'm a Teekan Democracy, for reference.

That's just it though Duckfang, in the example I gave I had war declared on my by an empire so distant he never even came to attack me. An entire ingame year progressed with ZERO contact between our two empires. My people weren't at risk of being bombed, my ships didn't die defending against them. Nothing at all happened as far as hostilities go... yet my colonies went into rebellion which I had to put down by dropping troops in or recolonizing those who declared independence. Why? "I AM UNHAPPY THAT WE ARE AT WAR WITH SOMEONE SOMEWHERE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THEM IN A YEAR!"

If war weariness is messing you up that badly then perhaps you need to sue for peace. Swallow your pride and give them whatever they want. I personally think that if you're not even striking back at the enemy then your war weariness should climb even faster as your people begin to wonder why on earth they're being made to sit there and take a pounding.

And in my example, I tried repeatedly to end the war. The state of war was doing more damage to my empire than any number of attacking ships ever could, and it was complete chaos. I refuse to give half my colonies to an 'agressor' who doesn't even attack me, but simply declares war and then demands payment to end it. If your answer is "Swallow your pride and end it" perhaps you should grow a backbone and not cave to ridiculous and unenforcible demands.

[Duckfang]

ORIGINAL: forsaken1111 If your answer is "Swallow your pride and end it" perhaps you should grow a backbone and not cave to ridiculous and unenforcible demands.

Not even referring to his point and he says I need a backbone. [8|]

I haven't seen the situation you described ingame yet (that is, being destroyed by war weariness from a phony war). Perhaps he was shooting up your civilian ships or your people are upset they can't get any more Sluken Red Bull due to the war.

If they're so far away, what exactly triggered the war? What does it say in your relationship screen with them? In your first post you mention they hate you too much to ever end the war with you, but I've had relations of -200 or so with enemies before and was still able to sign an unconditional peace treaty (ie white peace) or a treaty that benefit me. With just instinctive hate and dislike of your type of government, it shouldn't be more than -25.

Which race are you playing as? What type of government are you using? You haven't told us any of this, just given a claim that war weariness is too much and that people can apparently hate you so much they won't accept peace.

I have the sneaking suspicion you have a terrible reputation and it's that + war weariness that's grinding you down.