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9th - 11th august

DEI
Hollandia captured 9th august
Makassar captured 11 th august

CHINA

11 japs units have reached south of Wuchow. Does this enable the 44 units in Wuchow to receive supplies ? If so, the japs offensive would have been delayed only 13 days. With all these units here, this will mean the sure fall of all south China.

At Chansa, another jap army close to the city: 18 units are expected to reach and attack it.
West of Nanning, at Indochina border, the japs 21st Div have repulse my lone chinese corps.

We are probably close to see a general and cataclycismic falling of China.


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12TH - 13th AUGUST 1942

CHINA

1) South of Wuchow, the japs try to reopen the road toward their 44 units isolated.
There are at first 15th units.
2) In the same time, another jap army come to fight in Changsa.
3) Jap 21st div coming from Indochina repulse a chinese corps.

In these 3 cases, my lba mostly don't fly, because of weather of moral check that failed, but the result is the same : i don't have enough air support.



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CHINA 13th august

just look at the number of units that the jap commit to south china; here is a post of the now 25 units schedulded to relieve the 44 at Wuchow. A real steam-roller ..

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SOPAC

Luganville is hammered. The zeros come in waves of 2 Sentai, and with 90 bettys or so.
I loose too much here.
12th and 13th august cost me 20 P-39 and 6 others planes, for 9 zeros and 2 bettys. I start once more to evacuate the planes of this base, because my fighters are disapointing ( i need Corsair F4U NOW but sadly i must wait nearly 6 months for these).

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EFATE
I still try to close the airfield, but i think i am going to halt all raids here.
Two days of raid on this base cost me 33 bombers of all types, for 14 zeros and 2 Tonys. The airfield, wich was 50% damaged two days ago is now only 34%.....[8|]
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SOPAC

13th august, Koumac

Maybe subs evac were not fast enough for Jan to try to salvage his troops in Koumac.
In the night of 13th august, a fast transport TF sailed right in a minefield , DD Tachikaze hit a mine.
In the morning, this TF is still in range of Noumea. A bunch of B-25 and new-zeland Beaufort manage to put a torpedo in two DD (Uzuki and Mutsuki); there are ground casualties on board and the 2 DD are set on fire.
At the end of the day, DD Uzuki and Tachikaze sink.
Also I-15, previously hit by a B-26 on naval search, sink just before reaching Tulagi.

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CHINA 13th august

just look at the number of units that the jap commit to south china; here is a post of the now 25 units schedulded to relieve the 44 at Wuchow. A real steam-roller ..

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hey,

no wonder your losing in China, if you take a look at the troops working on the opening of the supply line;
there are 2 reserve arm units (starting under home island controle), and nearly all of the nav guard units he received in about 3 to 4 months. This is likely to open up a hole in the pacific, since those nav guard units are direly needed to reinforce the troopcount around the gilberts, DEI, guadal etc etc..

so while China looks lost, you could say that the pacific is "handed to you". Looking at the amount of troops invested in Koumac, your probably pretty sure where the few heavy garrisons are and where they are not.

Look at it as an opportunity, overinvesting in one area means that you got a free shot in another area! [;)]


nice job on killing KB fighters, they'll be missing those real bad [8D]
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Mon avis, c'est que tu te débrouilles bien.
Tu as réussi un très bel encerclement en Chine; bon évidemment maintenant,
il faut tenir le sud de Wuchow mais ça semble faisable.
Comme le dit flaggelant, il a utilisé beaucoup d'unités qui normalement sont dans le
Pacifique, bref, ça fait un peu le mec paniqué.

Sinon pour le ravito, il est possible que la présence d'un J au sud de Wuchow
permette son transit vers Wuchow; mais d'abord, j'en suis pas sûr et même
si c'est le cas, ça doit pas être des masses.[;)]
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hey,

no wonder your losing in China, if you take a look at the troops working on the opening of the supply line;
there are 2 reserve arm units (starting under home island controle), and nearly all of the nav guard units he received in about 3 to 4 months. This is likely to open up a hole in the pacific, since those nav guard units are direly needed to reinforce the troopcount around the gilberts, DEI, guadal etc etc..

so while China looks lost, you could say that the pacific is "handed to you". Looking at the amount of troops invested in Koumac, your probably pretty sure where the few heavy garrisons are and where they are not.

Look at it as an opportunity, overinvesting in one area means that you got a free shot in another area! [;)]
nice job on killing KB fighters, they'll be missing those real bad [8D]

Hi Flaggelant.
I must say that the fact that many japanese ground troops come in China is not really a compensation for the pacific: i am not able yet to launch high scale offensive to grab base. And i think a good part of these units could have the time to get back in time to garrison some base, after having make experience in China.
Anyway, even if i am to loose China, he has already suffer a lot; if we look at the victory point, he will have a hard time to grab autovictory, and i hope this will give me time to launch offensive in 1943.
And thanks for reading.
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Mon avis, c'est que tu te débrouilles bien.
Tu as réussi un très bel encerclement en Chine; bon évidemment maintenant,
il faut tenir le sud de Wuchow mais ça semble faisable.
Comme le dit flaggelant, il a utilisé beaucoup d'unités qui normalement sont dans le
Pacifique, bref, ça fait un peu le mec paniqué.

Sinon pour le ravito, il est possible que la présence d'un J au sud de Wuchow
permette son transit vers Wuchow; mais d'abord, j'en suis pas sûr et même
si c'est le cas, ça doit pas être des masses.[;)]

Salut Olivier, ca fait un bail qu'on s'est pas croisé. Ca me fait bien plaisir de savoir que tu me lis [:)].
J'suis pas sur de bien m'en sortir, j'ai plus le sentiment que mon adversaire réalise parfois des erreurs: je ne m'attendais pas du tout a ce qu'il se fasse pieger à Wuchow !
Je vais tenter de garder fermer la route entre Canton et Wuchow, mais les rapports d'espionnage (SINGINT) et les combats montrent tous la meme chose : il amene un max de troupes pour réouvrir la voie. Le temps que moi je rameute des troupes d'autres paties de la Chine, il sera trop tard. Bon, c'est pas une raison pour que je me laisse faire.
Son aviation va me massacrer: il peut projeter bien plus de puissance aérienne que moi (entre autre le niveau ridicule de support des base chinoises me restreint beaucoup).
Quand au ravito qui serait bloqué, j'adorerais y croire....çà, ca le bloquerais vraiment.

Mec paniqué ou pas, il se demène plutot bien, mais j'ai maintenant acquis la certitude de pouvoir a terme le battre; oh bien sur le camp allié est censé gagner, mais au point ou il en est, il a trop perdu (y'a qu'a voir le nombre d'avions detruits de chaque camp, mais aussi ses pertes navales). Mon talent consiste non pas a etre brillant, mais juste a profiter de ses erreurs en évitant d'en faire moi meme (ou des pas trop grosses).
Et merci des commentaires encourageants [:)].

And for the non-french readers, well, let's say this will be a way to keep a huge secret [;)]
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ORIGINAL: gladiatt
Mec paniqué ou pas, il se demène plutot bien, mais j'ai maintenant acquis la certitude de pouvoir a terme le battre; oh bien sur le camp allié est censé gagner, mais au point ou il en est, il a trop perdu (y'a qu'a voir le nombre d'avions detruits de chaque camp, mais aussi ses pertes navales). Mon talent consiste non pas a etre brillant, mais juste a profiter de ses erreurs en évitant d'en faire moi meme (ou des pas trop grosses).
Et merci des commentaires encourageants [:)].

Mais c'est justement ce qui fait la différence entre les bons généraux et les mauvais:
les bons tirent partis des erreurs des mauvais.

Moi non plus, je ne suis pas Napoléon (de loin [:(]) mais étant quand même assez expérimenté maintenant à WitP (un peu tard), je détecte vite les erreurs adverses.[:D]
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14th - 15th August

CENTPAC
On 14th august, SS S-32 torpedo and sink a MSW at Kwajalein. It is a VERY small victory, but is there not a saying that big stream are made of littles rivers ?
On 15th august, at Johnston, SS Whale fire at a PG and miss, and must get back home because all it's torpedoes are empty...

BURMA
Harassement of 33d jap div at Mandalay is not very effective because thunderstorms prevent most of my bombers to fly...[:@].
Just East of Mandaly, same fate about the harrassement of the 2 japs tank reg trying to cut the road to Lashio; nearly no planes fly their attack missions. The japs, 1st and 8th tank reg, launch an attack against my hinese troop guarding the place, but the attack fail...because of the 101st australian Antitank guns; bringed patiently from Sidney by ship, then by rail to Imphal, then by plane to Lashio, and just in time here !!!
In the same time, my british tank in Mandalay (3rd Carabiniers and 7th armored) launch an attack, wich fail at 0/1 but seem to cause more casualties to the japs than to me.
Anyway, i am anxious because it could well be the time for all the japs unit walking from Singapore to reach the front...

South of this front, Andaman is a milk run for japs bombers. I have no more fighters there. I must wait better times.

DEI
Koepang is bombed daily. On 15th august, my dutch gunners even manage to down a sally. My B-17 group flying from Derby to attack Maumere from max ceiling are at a halt: lack of result, high fatigue...
In Sumatra, my escaped troops from Palembang are also milk-run for japs bombers.

SoPac
Luganville is heavily bombed by the japs. My few fighters squadrons are leaving the place for stopping the bleeding.
No raids on Efate from me. There are more and more japs planes here, and it seem KB is still covering it. I have no CV to react.
Koumac is pounded by artillerie, and on 15th august, 2nd USMC and 40th US div, 138th US RCT and 3rd Australian tank reg gather to launch an attack on the japs. Odds 108/1. 6700 japs casualties, South Sea Detachement and Maizuru NLF are supposed to be destroyed (but there are probably evacuated fragment)

CHINA
This theater of operation is a real nightmare.
Japs troops are still stucked at Wuchow. The Assaut Value of the japs is raising, but no artillery shot come from these units. I fire land bombardement each day to stuck these troops here.
Another japs army try to open the road south of Wuchow.
My bombers try to support my troops. But due to bad weather or lack of coordination (or both), they come in several scattered little groups, and fall in the teeth of a band of 38 Nates. 14 allied bombers are destroyed ( Blenheim, Wellington, SB2c). Don't believe the screenshot : these LRCAP allied fighters never get involved in these fight [:(][8|].

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BUT A NEW HERO HAS ARISE
Well, it is maybe a little romantic, but that's nearly true.
The japs send bombers on the same point south of Wuchow to disrupt my troops.
As you can see from the screenshot, my LRCAP is not big. But it is enough. The brits planes and pilots are cracks !

On 14th august ,a first raid of 27 Oscar and 14 sally face my 8 spit and 2 Australians Kittyhawk. 1 kittyhawk is downed, but 9 oscar are also destroyed. A second raid gather 31 oscar and 11 sally, and another kittyhawk is downed, but 2 oscar are destroyed. These 11 kills are made solely by the 28th squadron on Spit Vb. Flt Hazard score no less than 7 kills, raising to 13 !
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14th - 15th August

DEI
Koepang is bombed daily. On 15th august, my dutch gunners even manage to down a sally. My B-17 group flying from Derby to attack Maumere from max ceiling are at a halt: lack of result, high fatigue...
In Sumatra, my escaped troops from Palembang are also milk-run for japs bombers.

jay for the Dutchy!! [:D]

how high are the stakes getting in China? in AV vs AV, in wuchow and on the railroad?
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how high are the stakes getting in China? in AV vs AV, in wuchow and on the railroad?

i will try to make an update of my AAR tonight, and to post a screenshot, but

( mutter loudly, because i am scared )

The jap steem-roller is real. There are now 34 units trying to reopen the road, nearly 6500 AV (against 2500 chinese, roughly).
So, i think China (at least south-china) is lost ... how many time will it take, i don't know ?
More comments with the screenshot to come...

Edit: as a sidenote; i used an excel folder to make some future guess.
Even if Jan throw me out of China (thus earning roughly 3500 VP of base), killing something like 60 chinese corps (thus earning roughly 6000 VP of ground troops) , he still will have a VERY hard time to achieve autovictory !! [X(]
This could let me the time to launch a offensive somewhere (maybe in 43 spring) and earn myself a few VP.
This is probably going to be a tough and bloody war ...
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16th August - 18th August

SOPAC

A raid is launched on 16th august, for supressing (and hoping to close) Efate .
17 Mitchell, 27 Marauders, 41 B-17 and 13 Liberators head for this japanese base. They expect to encounter some defenders, but not the result...65 zeros, 5 Tojo, 8 Tony are enraged, and today manage to penetrate the defensive wall of fire of my Boxes. This is a slaughter (i did try to take a screenshot, seing this scene to the bitter end, but "paint" once more was random).
4 zeros are downed for 35 allied bombers ! (12 Mitchell, 14 marauders, 6 flying fortress, 3 liberators).
The base suffer a slight 17 runway hits.
Having to wait for P-38 to give escort is not possible: the japs would have enough time to bring this base to a level 4 airfield.
But for now, i must recover the losses, and the morale that had dropped.

On 17th August, the jap launch an usual raid on Luganville.
But, after evacuating scattered squadrons a few days ago, i did transfer the whole 49th FG. 40 P-40E face the 24 zeros and 92 Bettys.
2 P-40 are downed, for 8 zeros and 7 bettys; only 40 of them attack, the others turning back. Thus the result are not as high as usual on the base: 13 hits on runway, 2 on airbase. The following day, the zeros don't come back, and my EAB clean all the damages.

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16th - 18th august 1942

CHINA

This is THE theater of operation of the war for now.
At Wuchow , things are "quiet" for now: no jap bombardement or attack. The assaut value of the japs rise slowly (7200 on 18th august). My forces fire bombardement, but without heavy results. This should stuck the japs units.

South of Wuchow , is where the japs WANT to reopen the road along the raildroad.
On 16th august, 2 japs raids ( 52 sorties of Oscars, 68 sorties of bombers) face my depleted 28th Squadron of Spitfire Vb.
I loose 2 spitfire, the japs loose 7 Oscar and 4 mary ! Flt Hazard reach 16th kill !
On 17th august, the japs make only 15 sorties, but no Spit face them, stuck on ground by weather. The 28th squadron is so depleted that i must send it back to the rear. 155th squadron (Hurricane II) is sent in Wuchow to relieve it.
On 18th august, the 155th squadron loose 3 planes against 1 Oscar ( the plane is far less efficient than the Spit).

On ground ,on 16th i launch a local attack with 754th US Tank Bn alone. The tactic that had result in Burma fail here with high losses for me. Odds 0/1, 119 jap and 3 guns for 1147 allies, 32 guns and 18 vehicules. The AV of the japs is 3500.
On 17th, new units come to reinforce the jap army, raising the AV to 5500.
On 18th, the jap AV is 6500 !!!
Now look at the screenshot: see the japs units ? 5th jap Inf Div. 18th inf Div. Imperial Guard Div.
This is threatening for China.....but this mean Burma won't have too much jap units !! If only i could take advantage of this.

Edit: i nearly forgot. Take a look at the screenshot, on the west, north of Nanning. There is the jap 21st Inf Div. It had been trapped in a minipocket: a chinese corps walk south from the moutain to cut the railroad leading to Hanoi. This corps has started to walk 25 days before ! it was a good move from me.
Now, reducing this div is beyond my hopes. I had an similar situation in my GC against AI, and it took me 6 months to kill a lone isolated jap unit. I doubt my opponant will give me this time.

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16th - 18th august

BURMA
Things were not quiet here, but seem slow.
Mandalay
On 16th august, my usual armored fist (7th Arm Bde, 3rd Carabiniers) launch a local strike against 33rd ID, 55th ID, 4th mix bde.
For the first time it reach 1/1 odd (350 japs casualties for 48 allies). The disruption level is so low that i decide to pursue the punching.
On 17th another attack reach once more 1/1. 460 japs for 120 allies. And once more the disruption level is low. This is something i had experienced just a few days ago in Koumac... This smell too good...can't be success. Anyway, another attack is launched on 18th august, with the help of 2 british brigade (well, since 8 months, they don't have the power of a healthy brigade, but anyway).
To be honest, i had to read the result 3 times before believing it. odd 3/1. 300 casualties on each side. Japs units retreating [X(].
Now, to be able to exploit this ....is another matter.
Rangoon
Japs planes are back on the airfield on 16th august. Recon is asked. Supposed to be here: 60 fighters, 100 auxiliaries.
23rd FG gather 56 P-40 and sweep the place on 18th august; the jap CAP is 5 zero (see below to understand). The 5 are downed for the losses of 3 P-40B (not a good odd, but i will do with it).
Akyab, isolated at the end of a stupid trail (after a nice raildroad along the coast) needed supplies.
A TF of 4 AK is sent there on 15th august. It start unloaded at a slow rate. The tiny base force there host 12 CW-21 Demon from a rescued dutch squadron, and a squadron of Hurricane. Both are supposed to give cover to the TF.
On 18th august, 24 zeros and 40 long range nav bombers attack this TF.
The allied CAP is very disapointing. 2 zeros are downed, for 7 Demons and 2 Hurricanes. All 4 AK are hit by torps. One of them sink immediately. Once more, supply is burn with the ships. Less than 2000 had been delivered to the place. And the jap will use one of it's favorite trick (stay tuned for next update).


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19th - 21th August 1942

CENTPAC
At Johnston Island, SS S-30 was lurking, trying to ambush a small jap patrol boat....it was spotted, hammered, hunted and depth-charged all day long on 19th august, took 2 direct hits from depth charge, and now try to get back to Pearl before sinking.

DEI
Jap landed at Kuala on 18th august. Bettys made bombing run on the poor 15th DAF base; the japs force consist of 5 NLF units and 2 SNLF.
On 20th august, SS S-38 invited himself at the party, but turned back after the watchman shake him a bit



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DD Yukaze receive a torpedo, is on fire. SS S-38 receive no direct hits, but is damage a few, lack fuel and torpedo, so get back home.

On 20th august, KUALA is Captured .

Another dutch place is under landing: Pomala (West of Kendari); should fall in 1 or 2 days.

Koepang is still under daily bombing run. Nothing is in order in the base: runway, airbase or ports are all at 100% damaged.
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BURMA

Jan is found of these kinds of tricks :

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In the night of 19th august, these 3 DD (based at Rangoon) came in Akyab harbor and sink 2 of these AK , those that managed to (hardly) survive the raid of 18th august by Nells and Bettys.

Rangoon. It is a "soft target" for my bombers. On 19th august, 30 B-17E (19th BG) and 55 Liberators (7th BG and 93 BS) plaster the base after a sweep of 50 P-40 from 23rd FG wipped the 3 zeros on CAP.
26 bombers, 6 zeros are destroyed on ground, Airbase suffer 28 hits, runway 74.
In the next day, my F5A of reccon show a nearly empty base. My bombers are ordered to finsih the work, but once more ( [:@][8|] ) the weather prevent my planes from flying. A single B-17 squadron harass Rangoon airfield on 20th and 21th august.

On 21th august, a squadron of Wellington launch a Naval Attack on the japs DD at Rangoon, facing NO air opposition, but scoring no hits.

Near Mandalay. First, a strange thing occur: on 20th, 5th mortar Bn launch a shock attack on Mandalay; probably after crossing the Irrawady. The unit was alone. Suffered 180 casualties and 19 guns, but i saw no message of destruction, no message of retreat, and the unit is no more on Mandalay hexe.
Just the time to move, and on 21th August, 7th Arm Bde bump in 2 japs Bde west of Mandalay (see post). The japs launch a shock attack, so i think in fact the 22th bde crossed the river at the same time my unit arrived. Battle ensue. The jap suffer 900 casualties for 100 allies. My troops are not disrupted.

East of Mandalay, 3rd Carabiniers Regt cross the river, and so make a shock attack against 8th and 1st jap Tk Reg, resulting in nothing particular. I received no airsupport, because my brits bombers pilots pretend they can't fly when there is a bad weather. Are they not supposed to have learn to fly in England ???
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here is the screenshot of the encounter west of Mandalay



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19th - 21th August

CHINA

South China
On 19th august, the japs launch 2 air raids on my troops along the railroad. They gather 60 oscar and 15 sally. The 155th squadron, flying the Hurricane II , made a better day than before: for the losse of 1 plane, 7 oscar are destroyed. PO Gilmour and FLT Webster each down 2 planes and each reach ace status.
The japs launch a deliberate attack. Odd 1/1. 7300 japs casualties for 3400 chinese.

On 20th august, 155th squadron trying to LRCAP my ground troops suffer badly: only 4 of the Hurricane fly the mission, and 3 are downed by a raid of 25 oscar and 18 sally.
On ground, the jap launch a attack at 0/1, but only the 5 tank regiment are involved. 570 jap casualties, 18 guns, 20 vehicules / for 870 allies, 17 guns and 2 vehic. Some of my chinese corps are near 50 disruption, but others are roughly around 10 or 15.

21th august. 155th sq sent only 3 planes on LRCAP; but they manage to shot down a oscar from the daily jap raids;
Once more, the jap launch an attack with only his tank reg. 380 japs casualties and 8 vehic for 360 allied and 4 guns.

At Wuchow, the jap AV rise slowly (now at 7500) but no shell volley or bombardement attack from these units. I keep firing rounds on them, with no result.

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Changsa
After 2 days of good result from my land bombardement, i figured i could send a local counterstrike at Changsa.
On 21th , fail ! odd 0/1. 1700 japs casualties for 2200 chinese.
The same day, a squadron of (absolutely) obsolete SB2c flew an attack mission on japs troops at Changsa. The jap have a LRCAP of 14 zeros and 18 oscar. They destroy 7 of my chinese bombers. AVG/A is present but dont get involved in the dogfight...

Homan
i was trying to disturb my opponant, and also wanted to know what was facing Homan. 5 of my chinese corps slipped south of the city, engaged a few day in artillery duel with 2 japs divs and a Bde, received some hurt from 2 raids of japs dive bombers, and then tried to repulse these japs troops.
On 21th august, fail. Odd 0/1. 148 japs casualties for 170 chinese casualties.
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