Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Distant Worlds is a vast, pausable real-time, 4X space strategy game which models a "living galaxy" with incredible options for replayability and customizability. Experience the full depth and detail of large turn-based strategy games, but with the simplicity and ease of real-time, and on the scale of a massively-multiplayer online game. Now greatly enhanced with the new Universe release, which includes all four previous releases as well as the new Universe expansion!

Moderators: elliotg, Icemania

Post Reply
Krasny
Posts: 315
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:03 pm

Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by Krasny »

The ships of an empire that have not DoWed me are attacking my ships?

Is this a bug, and if not why?

EDIT: The automated ship design process is not working properly, as no troop transports are available to be built. I had to switch off automation and design and troop transport, which was then available to be built.

ALSO: Straight answer please, do automated ships retrofit?
kafka
Posts: 163
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:18 am

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by kafka »

I had the same happening to my ships too as another race built a mining station in the system I have established a colony myself. I don't remember if I really have been first in the system though. I suppose it works like in SEV. If you interfere with an AI player in a system which it has already colonized or established whatever structure in, then you get attacked even without being DOWed.

As for your other question: I haven't seen the AI retrofitting automated ships so far
User avatar
BigWolfChris
Posts: 665
Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:26 pm
Contact:

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by BigWolfChris »

Concerning attacks
My understanding is, unless you have a treaty you aren't at an actual state of peace or war
Meaning any ships of yours going into a system of theirs is an open target if they so wish... however I believe they will only take up the option if your relations with that Empire is negative
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8 Core @3.7GHz
2x16 GB Vengeance LPX 2666MHz RAM
MSI RTX 2070 Armor 8G
SSD Drive
PDiFolco
Posts: 1195
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:14 am

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by PDiFolco »

Weirdly I ve seen attacks on freighters even from a race I had trade treaty with!
Re troop transport, the issue is that some AI designs are too large, over the 200 size starting construction limit, you have to modify them...
PDF
User avatar
BigWolfChris
Posts: 665
Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:26 pm
Contact:

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by BigWolfChris »

ORIGINAL: PDiFolco

Weirdly I ve seen attacks on freighters even from a race I had trade treaty with!

I would post this in Tech Support, I would imagine this is a bug as it would mean the AI is sending ships into hostile space when it either
a) Shouldn't
b) Is not suppose to be hostile space
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8 Core @3.7GHz
2x16 GB Vengeance LPX 2666MHz RAM
MSI RTX 2070 Armor 8G
SSD Drive
Joram
Posts: 3206
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:40 am

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by Joram »

I believe this is WAD.  You can have a treaty and be attacked however you should find the attacking race will quickly null the treaty.  If they don't, then yeah, I'd say it's bugged. 
 
You definitely do not have to have a declaration of war to be attacked or to attack someone though your reputation will suffer greatly if you start attacking without one.  I believe by declaring a blockade first you can attack the other empires shipping without taking the reputation hit but I haven't observed closely enough to be 100% sure.
 
I've not once seen something automated retrofit itself.
User avatar
Webbco
Posts: 694
Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:15 am

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by Webbco »

I think the design issue is that when the AI upgrades designs, it sometimes makes them slightly larger than your current maximum size capacity.

This means you need to research the next 'shipyard' component in order to unlock the next maximum sizes, then the AI Troop transport design will be able to be built.

I hope this makes sense...but I know, it's weird.
User avatar
JosEPhII
Posts: 173
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:47 pm
Location: Cornfields of Western IL. USA

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by JosEPhII »


The initial Designs are ALL smaller that what is allowed.

The 1st shipyards can produce 200 sized ships and 600 sized bases.

The 1st Escort is generally 104-109 in size, while the Destroyer is about 180.

With the 1.03 beta patch, a Troop transport is not an initial design. Actually I don't believe it's the next Shipyard advance but after you get Combat detection array (iirc) then the Troop design shows up. But you can build one on your own at game start. It's actually quite effective for taking over hostile Independent colonies. (But you Reputation does take a Hit for doing this).

JosEPh
"old and slow.....Watch out!"
User avatar
JonathanStrange
Posts: 114
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:48 am

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by JonathanStrange »

One's reputation still takes a hit though right, if one attack without a DOW, even if one believes the attack is justified?
The opinions expressed by JonathanStrange are solely those of JonathanStrange and do not reflect the opinions of Matrix Games, the forum members of Matrix Games, the forum moderators, or JonathanStrange.
Krasny
Posts: 315
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:03 pm

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by Krasny »

I can design troop transports and make them. The automated design system will not design them.

User avatar
Erik Rutins
Posts: 39778
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2000 4:00 pm
Location: Vermont, USA
Contact:

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by Erik Rutins »

The automated system makes Troop Transports for me. Did you delete the design at some point? If not, do you have a save file for this?

Regarding races that are not at war with you attacking you, yes, that's by design. Aggressive races in particular and those that don't like you will often try to "provoke" an incident to get you to be the one to declare war. They are testing your patience.
Erik Rutins
CEO, Matrix Games LLC


Image

For official support, please use our Help Desk: http://www.matrixgames.com/helpdesk/

Freedom is not Free.
User avatar
Wade1000
Posts: 771
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:21 pm
Location: California, USA

RE: Non Hostiles Attacking My Ships

Post by Wade1000 »

Good design, Erik. It makes sense and is less towards artificial limitations.
Wish list:population centers beyond planetary(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture):Ships,Ring Orbitals,Sphere Orbitals,Ringworlds,Sphereworlds;ability to create & destroy planets,population centers,stars;AI competently using all advances & features.
Post Reply

Return to “Distant Worlds 1 Series”