Warhammer 40,000

CCB · Post by **CCB** » Sun Oct 06, 2002 12:39 am

Anyone play this one? Its a tabletop miniatures game set in the very, very distant future. The local comic book shop has a tournament once a month or so and I thought I'd check it out. I bought the basic rule book and some soldiers (Cadians.)

Might be nice to get away from WW2, away from the PC and actually talk to people face to face for a while. :p

Kraut · Post by **Kraut** » Sun Oct 06, 2002 3:48 am

I didn't play the table-top game, but I tried the computer versions. You are probbaly not interested in those because you want to get away from the PC.

CCB · Post by **CCB** » Sun Oct 06, 2002 4:44 am

Originally posted by Kraut
I didn't play the table-top game, but I tried the computer versions. You are probbaly not interested in those because you want to get away from the PC.

Is that the SSI version?

scimitar · Post by **scimitar** » Sun Oct 06, 2002 10:56 am

I'm playing W40K, but just a beginner. Have bought an Eldar army and I'm busy with the painting of all the figures. I'm playing with my son and my nephew. My son bought an Ultramarines army; my nephew a Black Eldar one. Actually we are assimilating the rules. I must say we're more speaking painting techniques for the time being then playing... Serious play would begin next year.

Kraut · Post by **Kraut** » Sun Oct 06, 2002 1:03 pm

Originally posted by CCB

Is that the SSI version?

I've got a collection from SSI: Final Liberation and Chaos Gate and from "medieval" Warhammer Shadow of the Horned Rat.

There are some utilities for those:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Ba ... puter.html

(never used them myself, though).

There is a online multiplayer versionof Warhammer in the works, release about 2004

http://www.eurogamer.net/content/i_gamesworkshop

http://www.games-workshop.com/warhammer ... ed/wol.htm

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Sun Oct 06, 2002 4:04 pm

My kids love Warhammer....they spend nearly all of there pocket money on the stuff. I have to admit to liking the space marines.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 12:37 am

I have only this to same about Warhammer.

When you get past table top miniatures being fun....

The makers of Warhammer have the industry's most arrogantly over priced and most offensively poorly made models in existence.

The leads might be marginally acceptable, but this expert model craftsman (yes expert is deserved, I have worked in the field professionally) spits on Citadel and their disgustingly worthless plastic models.

I think the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay game is one of the nicer manuals to have been made, but the won't get the slightest positive remark from me for their miniatures.

If the hobby appeals to a person, I won't spoil their fun, but they will pay a fortune to get, in the opinion of someone that has made a Tamiya Tank, would call a disgusting waste of plastic.

Cheap models do NOT deserve top dollar.

CCB · Post by **CCB** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 1:29 am

I'll have to agree with you there Les. Though I haven't yet purchased one of their 'tanks', I have seen the prices and they are very much overpriced. I could get the latest Tamiya or DLM panzer kit for less, including photo-etched parts!

I was planning on just purchasing just the lead infantrymen and scratchbuilding my own vehicles, if I use vehicles at all.

Thanks for the links Kraut!

And I'm like you scimitar, right now I'm just painting too. I chose the Cadians because they look the most like my idea of futuristic infantrymen. I almost chose the Valhallans (and may yet get some) because they look like WW2 Soviet infantrymen in winter coats.

Karnaaj · Post by **Karnaaj** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 3:12 am

P'raps Games Workshop has changed some since I was watching my local gaming group (back in Montana), but they sed to have a *very* annoying habit of coming out with new figs (only available via mail order immediately) advertised in the same issue of WHITE DWARF as the new rules for 'em. I knew someone who would drop wads of cash out *every* new release, as the rules (local houserules? I dunno) were "you ain't got it, you can't play it". From discussions along the way, it seems that all those cool new rules tended to crock older ones, and were subsequently patched or superceded/neutralised by the next month's selections... which, of course, needed the new figs to use...

Me? I looked at the books. Some neat artwork, stealable bits here and there...roleplay? Nyet. I deided to stay out of that stuff - saved untold buckage and aggrivation.

Notes: all this was primarily Epic scale stuff - 4/5? mm, itty bitty four or five guys on a 1/2" x 1/2" stand. And me with stubby-fingered meathooks, painting this stuff? <insert guffaws here> The idea being floated past me by mltiple players was that I buy a boxed set ($50-60 US, in the mid-'90s), which would get me a "starting" force, and leave parts for said other players to beg for. Did I mention that I'd have to buy at least one book on top of that?

Later, they drifted into the "regular" 25mm scale stuff - both 40k and WH Fantasy; although, I remember going on a road trip with one guy to Spokane - I just wanted a free ride <G> - where he spent like unto $200-300 on whatever the epic-scale fantasy naval game was. I think they were just getting into Gorkamorka around the time I left.

Ah well. Just my experiences/opinions... Your Mileage May Vary.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 4:53 am

Although to put my thoughts into a new perspective, because I don't like being painted arbitrary or mindlessly hostile, I see people routinely spend insane sums on all manner of hobbies, and still enjoy the hobby fully.

I see people pay insane sums for questionable items, and wonder about the stability of their thinking. And I would be one of them too I guess heheh.

We all generally know the game Magic the Gathering...card board crack, Magic the Squandering etc. It was a fine game at one time (I think they just took pumping out cards to far at some point).

But recognising it was a dead issue with my local friends I finally realised it was time to just get over it and sell my cards. I knew I would not get their real worth. But oh well, I would by a Jointer Planner with the money. Surely I could get 350 with my custom stash. Nope lousy 100 bucks (Canadian too eh).

Frustrated, miserable, and stuck knowing I had nothing I needed that was 100 bucks or less I decided to buy something I liked that was admittedly insane. I bought 100 bucks in Sailormoon cards heheh (yeah you read that right, hey remember I am trained to kill too eh heheh, so watch the tauts hehe).

A stupid looking Pokemon rip off really heheh.

That is all Warhammer really is eh, a stupid wargaming rip off. But hey, some like the game (and who am I to talk heheh).

So when your buddies line up telling you to get into Warhammer with a starter set, and yatter about how great the game is, picture Sarge with Sailormoon cards, and ask yourself, do you reeeeeeally like the game enough.
You might end up feeling as foolish later,

Kraut · Post by **Kraut** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 1:26 pm

Les, for all those reasons I confine myself to the computer versions of Warhammer. It's less social, but also much less aggravating and expensive.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 4:54 pm

Kraut are there any demo versions of computer Warhammer to be found out there? Does anyone know?

Kraut · Post by **Kraut** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 6:06 pm

Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
Kraut are there any demo versions of computer Warhammer to be found out there? Does anyone know?

Les, here's a link for downloading the Chaos Gate demo:

http://www.gamesdomain.com/demos/demo/741.html

Chaos Gate was on a cover CD here in Germany about 18 months ago, so it should be pretty cheap. If you get the game, use the
patch for version 1.2

Here's the link for downloading Dark Omen
http://www.gamesdomain.com/demos/demo/726.html

link for Rites of War demo
http://www.actiontrip.com/files/demos/w ... fwar.phtml
This game uses an upgraded Panzer General engine.

The collection with Chaos Gate, Final Liberation and Shadow of the Horned Rat ought to be pretty cheap by now, too.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 7:18 pm

Thanks Kraut

Tried Dark Demo, runs after Win XP uses its compatibility feature. Not to bad a game I guess, but it's a RTS game so it's out of my own preference range.

I suggest the RTS crowd take a look though.

Tried the Chaos Gate demo. It too needed Win XP compatibility feature. Both needed Win 95 plus set for 256 colour mode eh.

Chaos gate looks like a miniatures turn based game with nice graphics, but game crashed on me after a few minutes.
I give it a thumbs up for the cool background audio tracks though.

Again I think the forum might want to look at this game too. Some might enjoy the mecha look to the game.

Kraut · Post by **Kraut** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 9:20 pm

You are welcome. Yes, Chaos Gate is a XCOM-style game. The full version doesn't crash after the patch to version 1.2 is applied.

HerrGeneral · Post by **HerrGeneral** » Mon Oct 07, 2002 11:15 pm

I play Warhammer 40K (and lots of of miniature games) and spend lots of money on it. It's still fun to me, mostly the painting and modeling part.

The computer games haven't been bad and I have enjoyed them also.

Rod

Scharfschütze · Post by **Scharfschütze** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:45 pm

I bought the original WH40K when it was releases in 1987 (I think), together with a friend since we were maybe thirteen years old and had to save money...

The second edition rules are fun to play, I have heard rumours that GW has done a third ed., which is supposedly over simplified.

I havent played WH40k in years, but still boast a small but deadly World Eater Traitor Marine force with four (yep!) Dreadnoughts, a Land Raider, a converted Rhino (assault gun w/ Missile Launcher) and a Bloodthirster. Add some thirty infantry, and there we go. All nicely painted, of course. All of this stuff is about ten years old, so I cannot comment on the newer plastics. The old metal miniatures are quite goth, though, and probably no longer available.

Those were the days...I own both Realm of Chaos books, especially Slaves to Darkness is superb.

I will do a RPG weekend with a few old friends in early November, mastering the WFRP "Shadows over Bögenhafen" scenario. I am expecting the book in the mail every day now, and am driveling...

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:44 pm

Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
I have only this to same about Warhammer.

When you get past table top miniatures being fun....

The makers of Warhammer have the industry's most arrogantly over priced and most offensively poorly made models in existence.

The leads might be marginally acceptable, but this expert model craftsman (yes expert is deserved, I have worked in the field professionally) spits on Citadel and their disgustingly worthless plastic models.

I think the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay game is one of the nicer manuals to have been made, but the won't get the slightest positive remark from me for their miniatures.

If the hobby appeals to a person, I won't spoil their fun, but they will pay a fortune to get, in the opinion of someone that has made a Tamiya Tank, would call a disgusting waste of plastic.

Cheap models do NOT deserve top dollar.

Whoa! Oh great expert model craftsman, just a take a minute to stop and think. The next time that you walk past a war hammer shop, just take a note of how FULL it always is with kids.....doing modelling and table-top wargaming. Yeah so it is over priced, and yeah the quailty of the models is on the same level as say Airfix and Revell (S?), but the fact is this war hammer craze is the breeding ground of future modellers, and wargamers, be they table top or computer.
It fills my heart with joy to see my two boys on their hands and knees glueing and painting to their hearts content. And in this day and age that is something to marvel at !

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Wed Oct 09, 2002 7:42 pm

Yeah but Raverdave, think how crowded that shop would be, if one of those shitty "we only sell Citadel in our bloody store" models was priced the same way as all the rest of the industries equally worthless models was.

A 5 dollar kit should be sold as a 5 dollar kit.

But Citadel has no competition (hmmm that explains why Windows sucks eh, almost no competition).

I pay top dollar for Tamiya and hey guess what, it is also worth every cent.

If Tamiya decided tomorrow to market the same product concept Citadel does, you wouldn't be able to give away Citadel models.

If my son asks for a model, and insists on doing it himself, I will buy him those junky 5 dollar kits to experience the basics on. Then when he sees that they don't look like dad's I will point out why. And I will explain it took me years and years to build them that well, and it also takes a great deal more than 5 bucks too.

I would not mind getting him an expensive kit, but I will then sit with him and show him that it is a lot more work, takes a lot more patience, and is just not worth it if he doesn't want to really do it all the way (thats what worthless 5 dollar kits are for).

Raverdave · Post by **Raverdave** » Fri Oct 11, 2002 3:54 pm

Well the cost does not seem to both the kids......and it does not bother me either.......I would be more bothered if I saw a model shop that was empty. Kids these days have more money than I ever had at their age....how they spend it is up to them. But I am pleased as punch that they are spending it on model kits so that they can play table-top wargames. Love them or hate them, but the warhammer crowd will mature, and move onto the things that you and I love doing now. Look upon it as a nursery for budding wargamers/modellers. The older they get the more of a critical eye they will develop and in their onw time make an informed opinion on what is a good kit and what is not........lets just get them hooked first.

And lets face it, these days there are far worse things that the kids could be spending their money on than Warhammer.