AE/AKE Census

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RE: AE/AKE Census

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ORIGINAL: khyberbill

I am up to 2/44 and have 5 AKE's with this problem. It has occurred when trying to reload large bombardment task forces. Not sure what to do with the ships. I did try to get them to unload in a small port with no success and now I am sending them to Sydney to see if that makes a difference.

Thinking about what I did in Darwin, and including Don's comments about the logic, what I think happened was I got down to zero fuel in Darwin at a point I needed to send out a combat TF, so I "robbed" a transport TF in port of fuel by using the Replenish at Sea button. That got me fuel, but it might also have pulled the organic supplies in the AE down below zero rather than "pulling supplies through the AE" from the port supply. I tend to think of Replenish as being fuel, but it's ammo too. I think that causes the supply variable in the AE to wrap around somehow as any time you get a value near 64k in an 8-bit variable it's pretty suspicious. Even more when it's negative.

Without checking, I also think the various AE/AKE models, both factory-made and conversions, have supply capacities ranging from the low 2000s up to over 8000. This makes it very easy to pull the smaller guys dry if you forget and Replenish at Sea. I think.

I'll take a couple of my bugged guys and try a big port. I've tried to unload the supplies and that hasn't worked. I'll see if any will load resources or oil too, and free up.
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Were you ever able to unload it and use it again?

I cant answer 100% sure. I sent TF back in Tokyo, tried to unload and it didn't worked, and disband TF there. Since i use APD in my fast convoys i think that i used him again to load lcu+supplies and that "cured" APD. I just checked them now and all my apd's are empty (thank good on that :) ).

Interesting. I can't load or unload supplies on my AEs so far. I don't thnk the Load Troops button is live with a Support TF, but I'll look.
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I'm not very far into my Allied games and haven't had the problem. I have converted 10 AEs and 10 AKEs by March 1942. I plan on at least 20 more AEs.

I was wondering, has anyone with AE/AKes with this problem tried creating a Cargo TF with them to see if that fixes them?

I'll try that too.
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I'm not very far into my Allied games and haven't had the problem. I have converted 10 AEs and 10 AKEs by March 1942. I plan on at least 20 more AEs.

I was wondering, has anyone with AE/AKes with this problem tried creating a Cargo TF with them to see if that fixes them?

I'll try that too.

I took my three bugged ships at Saipan and formed: one Cargo TF--Load Supplies, one Support TF--Load Supplies, and one Support TF--Unload Supplies (each had -64k and change.) Left them in port, Docked.

Ran a turn.

The Cargo and Support--Load Supplies TFs did load supplies enough to wrap around positive again, and go into the +1800 region. The Support--Unload Supplies TF stayed negative in the -64k region.

I left all three Docked and not Disbanded. I have two STFs with a total of four BBs Docked at Saipan. I was able to partly replenish ammo on them before I ran out of Ops points. Three to 100%, the fourth to about 50% on 16in ammo. I pressed both Replenish from Port and Replenish at Sea buttons. Neither of the "cured" AEs were pulled negative, but one went to about 1200 supplies.

I set all three into one Support TF, Docked, loading supplies to top off. I'll then disband and see if they stay OK when I use Replenish from Port.

It appears that Loading supplies will "cure" them, with a bit of babysitting. They seem to never Unload from the negative state.
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Good, that lets you with problems fix your ships so we have a work around until a new patch. [:)]
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wasnt there a way to recover from the negative value in that trhread also? Somethign about loading/unloading supplies order being given on your AE/AKE's?

Just my 0.02.

Somebody said theirs would unload, but mine don't. I've tried disbanding and forming new TFs, shifting them into existing Support TFs with other ship types, and forming a new Support TF with just a DD, and transferring them into it from the disbanded pool. Nothing works. They're just gone.

I have recovered AKEs by telling them to load supplies. they load back up to their normal max.

I won't claim this necessarily always works or works for everyone, but I have never had a "permanently broken" AKE.

Edit: Ah, I see bullwinkle posted something similar but I'll leave this here as a "I see this also"


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Edit: Ah, I see bullwinkle posted something similar but I'll leave this here as a "I see this also"


A case of being too close to the problem for me. I never thought of loading more supplies on a ship that already had 64k, even if negative. I guess it makes the variable overflow again back into positive territory.
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This would have been my first thought: I have minus 64k supplies? Ok, let's go to SF and load 64k to be empty again. Maybe I did too much math in the past [;)].

Just curious: When you loaded the ships to 1800 - did it use 1800 supllies from the base or >65k?
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This would have been my first thought: I have minus 64k supplies? Ok, let's go to SF and load 64k to be empty again. Maybe I did too much math in the past [;)].

Just curious: When you loaded the ships to 1800 - did it use 1800 supllies from the base or >65k?

I don't know. That's a good question. I'll keep an eye on it. Darwin has enough supply for what I need to do, but not enough to cost 64k every time a BB needs to eat.
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