Is the 3.4 patch still on testing ?

[Essro]

ACG

Armchair General dot com ?

I'm guessing he means Strategic Command WWII Global Conflict that was just reviewed on Armchair General dot com (ACG) ?

EDIT: or possibly HOI3 ?

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: macgregor

I don't know what your beef is with me Larry, coming from someone who puts far more time into gaming than I, but I have a new game at any rate, and it is awesome. Check it out on ACG. That's all I'll say.

If you're referring to Strategic Command Global Conflict, is it better than the previous ones in the series? I have all of them except for this latest one. I'm all SC'd out unless this new Global Conflict has much more to offer. [:)]

[desert]

Hmm, but isn't HOI 3 a better simulation (aside from the poor AI)? Paradox has a lot more experience with strategy games than Battlefront.

Edit: Oooh, never mind. Battlefront is the publisher.

[macgregor]

ORIGINAL: LarryP
If you're referring to Strategic Command Global Conflict, is it better than the previous ones in the series? I have all of them except for this latest one. I'm all SC'd out unless this new Global Conflict has much more to offer. [:)]

That'd be it. And I haven't had this much fun gaming in a long time, and it's fully editable.

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: macgregor

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Sounds like you need a new girlfriend dude.

I don't know what your beef is with me Larry, coming from someone who puts far more time into gaming than I, but I have a new game at any rate, and it is awesome. Check it out on ACG. That's all I'll say.

I don't have a beef with you, I don't dislike you, I'm not making fun of you, etc. I was just trying to be cute, funny, making a joke etc. I just thought you sounded like you had your fill of waiting for the patch and were terribly frustrated and were surpressing some degree of "rage". I just want you to be happy and I'm glad you found a new game and have found some degree of satisfaction with it. I would do the same thing ( check out a new game ) except that I'm already doing three games at the same time ( FITE, Autumn Fog, D21 ) and don't have a spare moment except when my PBEM opponents forget to send me their moves etc. I just thought that a new girlfriend might solve the "waiting" problem you're having....at least to some degree.

Good on you dude.

[macgregor]

Well I am disappointed that every suggestion I've made regarding either toaw or mwif, has seemingly fomented opposition starting with matrix and filtering down to almost organized groups of fanboys desiring a lot of superficial peripherals at the cost of ignoring glaring inaccuracies as is the case with TOAW and Ralph.

In the case of WiF, the attention and work can be summed up as,'anything to avoid a release' of a game that was already deemed playable before matrix acquired it. They then saddled the developer with creating an intelligent AI for a game so complex that most humans can't play without constant reference, again all the while ignoring the game interface. They've added pbem to a game whose strength was the constant input of players, changing the game entirely.Now the fanboys are busy at work loading the game with every available piece of data on the thousands of units, yet ignoring plate drawings and detailed images which, as the saying goes, speak a thousand words. This of course is but a dog and pony show, diverting from the fact that the project is woefully behind schedule. One redeeming feature would've been a game editor that was oddly available before matrix had it, and now has inexplicably been completely scrubbed. The game I have now started with the mission of creating the global scenario for the computer instead of completely recreating a 30 year old boardgame.

In a perfect world, the feel of wif would've been preserved by creating a great global game for netplay, while TOAW; designed as a pbem, would've been perfected for the pbem experience, completing what Norm started in regards to naval combat. perhaps even offering a global pbem game. Now we have wif trying to be TOAW and TOAW trying to be ...let's face it. TOAW is going nowhere.

Bitter? I was bitter. But now I'm simply feeling vindicated because the game I've waited for so many years was actually being developed by a competitor. The witch is dead.

[Panama]

First of all, what is WiF? Acronyms make me crazy.

I've spoken with some people who say some of the same things about the Steel Panther game Matrix changed (SP3?). How it went from being a good remake to being something a diminishing minority bother with because they went the wrong way. Don't know myself, Never played it. Probably never will because of the bad reviews I've heard.

I don't see how you can compare a grand strategy game with an operational game. I do agree that it will probably not go much farther since there is only one part time programmer working on it. Even if the next patch is the last patch it's still good at what it does. And I'm not a fanboi of Matrix nor Opart. If you really wanted to have a better naval feel for the game you could do a huge amount on your own. I threw together a very nice little monitor vs monitor naval scenario using the equipment editor and Paint Shop Pro.

Unfortunately you have gotten your mind in a place where only what you want sounds reasonable. One part time programmer probably won't get the game there.

[Bill Earley]

ORIGINAL: Panama

First of all, what is WiF? Acronyms make me crazy.

Now this one I know!
world in flames
a classic boardgame of all of WW2 (world war 2) being adapted to computer
-for the last 10 or 15 years

[haenilion]

I really don't understand one thing. If you have disappointed in the game and you found another, why you proclaim this from the housetop? It would be better everyone to say a goodbye and that's all. Or don't say anything. The last 10-15 posts are trollworks and off-topic.

[Olorin]

Having played Hearts of Iron 3 (and its predecessors), I thought I would give Strategic Command Global Conflict a try to see how it fares against HoI3. Well...my personal opinion is that it's much more simplistic even than HoI1 in all respects, let alone HoI3.

TOAW is an operational game and does not need all these things. It currently needs to fix the bugs that produce unrealistic combat results and a better supply system. That's what I want anyway, and the new patch, whenever it arrives, is going to give me what I want, so I am happy.

Now, if TOAW4 incorporated all the items in the wishlist...now that would be the perfect wargame. But impossible to do with just one (!) part-time programmer.

[Raver508]

You're definately right about HOI versus SC2. I've played both, and HOI is definately deeper and more rewarding, but on the other hand its not a major undertaking to play a SC2 turn, so I quite like its ease and playability. Just what you need after a FITE turn.

[macgregor]

ORIGINAL: haenilion

I really don't understand one thing. If you have disappointed in the game and you found another, why you proclaim this from the housetop? It would be better everyone to say a goodbye and that's all. Or don't say anything. The last 10-15 posts are trollworks and off-topic.

Is it either pollyanna or trollworks?. I regret feeling the way I do; compelled to express my feelings of frustration with this game and relief over having found another. My apologies. But I'm not happy with the direction toaw has gone, if in fact it has gone anywhere.

[pionier]

If you would have finished with toaw you would not post this messages

TOAW is giving you what you won't get by several games combined. Do not blame it for what it is not to be ment. Fite is one game alone, where do you ever found something like this? Piero, Europe Aflame and over dozents of others szenarios. TOAW is great, and I never found something like it.

So Ralph go on forward, for what TOAW is ment to be!

[Jeff Norton]

Ditto, Pio.....

I wondered about that too,,,,

The Operational Art of War, oddly, seems to be a land-based, theatre (and below) system, IIRC. Does that pretty good.

And, the Beta marches on!

[jmlima]

It's nice to know that relevant whislist items are being included in the patch:

http://www.operationalwarfare.com/post/ ... t-of).aspx

[ralphtricky]

ORIGINAL: jmlima

It's nice to know that relevant whislist items are being included in the patch:

http://www.operationalwarfare.com/post/ ... t-of).aspx

You'd like it if you tried it. It's a blast against the computer.

I'm trying very, very hard to not work on the code so that it can be packaged and released.[8D]

If I'm playing with very minor UI things that I can test and that aren't likely to break anything, I won't be tempted to
make other changes.[:D]

Ralph

[Menschenfresser]

Ralph's right. What we need now more than anything is a new patch.

[Curtis Lemay]

ORIGINAL: jmlima

It's nice to know that relevant whislist items are being included in the patch:

http://www.operationalwarfare.com/post/ ... t-of).aspx

Personally, I wasn't even aware he did that one. Must have slipped it under the radar. But anyone should see the advantage:

More platforms = More customers = More money = More updates. Good for everyone.

[ralphtricky]

I've tried to lower the learning curve. This works especially well with a touch screen if you're doing basic play. It works through an iPad, but the remote desktop software adds in an extra layer of complexity, although it DOES allow you to very quickly zoom in. I can now see a couple of people on a couch passing an iPad back and forth, playing Waterloo, Arracourt, or some other game with a small map. I can also play games Solo against Elmer and expect a better fight. I can also allow Elmer to move some of the units for me with me giving broad direction, so I can play larger scenarios, I'm playing Red Thunder 1988 as the Russians right now using my iPad. I suspect that if Matrix puts a touch screen running TOAW up at the next board games conference, it's got the potential to sell quite a few copies.

With TOAW 3.4, I've tried to let you swallow the elephant one bite at a time. One mode allows you to just drag the counters around the screen, and they do the 'right' thing, they either move or attack. You can then bring up the combat planner and walk through the combats and add artillery if needed, and fine tune your attacks. You can ignore the air game, and 'Elmer' will do a reasonable job of handling it. The 'ToolTips' add in information about how the terrain will effect your units. Supply now 'makes sense.' It decreases similar to the way that trucks traveling over the terrain would, instead of the arcane step rules of the original.

I hope I've lessened the learning curve to where you could teach TOAW to a 10 year old without them getting tangled up in the details like I did when I started, I tried to learn the entire manual before playing, which took a lot of the fun out of the game.

Of course, the veteran players can ignore all the new features, and play without tooltips, with right click popping up a menu, etc. If you're playing a PBEM game against another human, that interface makes more sense since you need more control.

Ralph

[Bamilus]

Ralph,

At least you made the iPad actual useful for once! (you can tell I'm not a big fan of Apple [:D])

But in all seriousness that is pretty awesome. I've been pretty disappointed with games on my Motorola Droid and the iPhone for that matter. I know the iPad is more powerful/bigger but I never thought people would be able to convert complex hex wargames to it!