I get quite confused I get sooo many requests for small map scenarios but no one seems to want to write them all we get are different visions of the master scenario.
I just wondered what is it that puts off the modders from doing small map scens everyone wants to do a vision remake of the full war scenario that almost no one will play (I include myself in that category) ???
Its idle curiosity mostly I am just amazed that lots of folks havent done small map scenarios and was curious as to why ??
Confused
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RE: Confused
Andy,
For me, and only me, I like doing "What Ifs" and "Alternate History" campaigns. I'm not interested in "Single Mappers." I would rather pick up the Fight in May '42, November '42, March '43, etc., etc. and play throught to Decemeber '48. What would have happened if the Hornet would have been built as the Essex lead? What if the F4U had been given a higher priority and reached operational carrier status by mid to late '42? What would the Ki202s done against the P80s? What if the Bomb had not worked or if we had lost at Midway? It's May '42 and the Japanese win at the Coral Sea, take Port Morsby, and then win at Midway. What if the Japanese had elected NOT to strike Pearl? Would a '42 War Plan Orange have worked? What if the Lex and Sara had not been converted? No London/Washington Naval treaties? I would be very interested in picking up a Historical Campaign Game starting with the invasion of the Gilberst, or the Marianas. A '42 Campaign start is a big Must on my list.
I fully understand the Work required for such scenarios; OBs, locations, etc. Anyone with the determination to do this has my respect.
I've wanted to do some myself but just can't find the time. I'm self-employeed (sorta, the Architecture biz is a bit slow right now) and single. But Life's other issues always seem to get in the way. Besides, just because I like the scenario the way "I modded it", doesn't mean anyone else will.
As for "historical accuarcy", I'm not all that concerned. "Close" is good enough for me. I always tweak the scenarios posted by the modders any way. So if the 4th SNLF really didn't get to Tulagi for another week and it was supposed to have two more Rifle Squads than shown, I don't really care. Again, "Close" is good enough; I'll take it from there.
Please remember, this is just my two penneys worth. It's what I like/want. For me, Single Mappers don't do a thing for me. Full campaigns with later start dates are my sole interest.
For me, and only me, I like doing "What Ifs" and "Alternate History" campaigns. I'm not interested in "Single Mappers." I would rather pick up the Fight in May '42, November '42, March '43, etc., etc. and play throught to Decemeber '48. What would have happened if the Hornet would have been built as the Essex lead? What if the F4U had been given a higher priority and reached operational carrier status by mid to late '42? What would the Ki202s done against the P80s? What if the Bomb had not worked or if we had lost at Midway? It's May '42 and the Japanese win at the Coral Sea, take Port Morsby, and then win at Midway. What if the Japanese had elected NOT to strike Pearl? Would a '42 War Plan Orange have worked? What if the Lex and Sara had not been converted? No London/Washington Naval treaties? I would be very interested in picking up a Historical Campaign Game starting with the invasion of the Gilberst, or the Marianas. A '42 Campaign start is a big Must on my list.
I fully understand the Work required for such scenarios; OBs, locations, etc. Anyone with the determination to do this has my respect.
I've wanted to do some myself but just can't find the time. I'm self-employeed (sorta, the Architecture biz is a bit slow right now) and single. But Life's other issues always seem to get in the way. Besides, just because I like the scenario the way "I modded it", doesn't mean anyone else will.
As for "historical accuarcy", I'm not all that concerned. "Close" is good enough for me. I always tweak the scenarios posted by the modders any way. So if the 4th SNLF really didn't get to Tulagi for another week and it was supposed to have two more Rifle Squads than shown, I don't really care. Again, "Close" is good enough; I'll take it from there.
Please remember, this is just my two penneys worth. It's what I like/want. For me, Single Mappers don't do a thing for me. Full campaigns with later start dates are my sole interest.
RE: Confused
The main scenario work is already done including the AI. Creating a small scenario is probably more work than modifying the big campaign.
RE: Confused
Agreed with OSO the problem is the AI work andy
RE: Confused
I guess thats understandable althought thats why we exposed the AI in the editor so folks could write an AI
RE: Confused
To make a small scenario there is need more knowledge and data is more difficult to find than a big one. Also if there were map editing with scaling abilities people might like a scaled up Solomons to not talk about other theatres.
RE: Confused
I am trying to learn how to use the AI for my mod but it is difficult. Till know I added 3-4 additions.
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RE: Confused
Andy,
I would have to say that, for me at least, the biggest "turn off" is the database editor interface.
When the Buccaneer Scenario came out I was pretty happy with seeing a "smaller" scale area of operations that seemed both easy to create and fun.
I started to lay out the Java Sea battle and everything went smooth until I started tackling the database. I suppose, with the limited time I had to invest I was overwhelmed by, what I felt, was a tough way to edit and modify the database. I feel that with the database set at "Dec. 7th 1941" I have to verify each and every unit that "might" affect my area of operations in a smaller map design.
I really would like to figure how I can modify the stats of multiple units (land, air, sea) at once to mod dates and locations. Perhaps more "on map" unit placement and editing versus the "spreadsheet" method (i.e. click on a hex to create a TF and then drag-drop ships into it while being able to individually edit ships, etc).
Just my 2 cents.
I hope to get back into working on my Java Sea scenario again sometime soon.
I am also pretty certain that a lot of my editing experience may be misplaced due to my lack of understanding on how everything works together but it takes time to read the forums and learn first hand. (i.e. Should I change the status a historically sunk ship to "sunk" or just make sure it isn't on the map if my scenario is at a later date).
And while I am at it, is there an easy way to "disband" all existing TFs in a scenario file in order to get a "clean slate"?
Thanks!
Marc
I would have to say that, for me at least, the biggest "turn off" is the database editor interface.
When the Buccaneer Scenario came out I was pretty happy with seeing a "smaller" scale area of operations that seemed both easy to create and fun.
I started to lay out the Java Sea battle and everything went smooth until I started tackling the database. I suppose, with the limited time I had to invest I was overwhelmed by, what I felt, was a tough way to edit and modify the database. I feel that with the database set at "Dec. 7th 1941" I have to verify each and every unit that "might" affect my area of operations in a smaller map design.
I really would like to figure how I can modify the stats of multiple units (land, air, sea) at once to mod dates and locations. Perhaps more "on map" unit placement and editing versus the "spreadsheet" method (i.e. click on a hex to create a TF and then drag-drop ships into it while being able to individually edit ships, etc).
Just my 2 cents.
I hope to get back into working on my Java Sea scenario again sometime soon.
I am also pretty certain that a lot of my editing experience may be misplaced due to my lack of understanding on how everything works together but it takes time to read the forums and learn first hand. (i.e. Should I change the status a historically sunk ship to "sunk" or just make sure it isn't on the map if my scenario is at a later date).
And while I am at it, is there an easy way to "disband" all existing TFs in a scenario file in order to get a "clean slate"?
Thanks!
Marc
RE: Confused
Use WITP load and dump it all into Exel and you can change everything in five minutes I use exel a lot in everything other than the Ai
Especially ships which are the most time consuming part of modding
Especially ships which are the most time consuming part of modding
RE: Confused
I liked Your small map scenarios very much.
The grand campaign it's an huge game ... a real heavy job to do.
I prefer a lot old UV style smaller map.
Please go on.
Paul
The grand campaign it's an huge game ... a real heavy job to do.
I prefer a lot old UV style smaller map.
Please go on.
Paul
RE: Confused
A series of scenarios starting at various points in the war, as are in WITP, would be
very welcome. Unfortunately, I would need to be "tutored" as to how to do this, as I have no idea. Also lack Excel on my machine, which, as Andy has pointed out, would be
an asset.
very welcome. Unfortunately, I would need to be "tutored" as to how to do this, as I have no idea. Also lack Excel on my machine, which, as Andy has pointed out, would be
an asset.
RE: Confused
Thats the one set of scens I aint touching with a barge pole - my sanity couldnt cope with full map alternate start dates !!!
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Um, give us some ideas!
A sort of brief Jap VS US Clash in the phillipines with battleships and carriers circa like the old WAR PLAN ORANGE?
A sort of brief Jap VS US Clash in the phillipines with battleships and carriers circa like the old WAR PLAN ORANGE?
RE: Confused
Andy:Ok, understand. How about something along the lines of the various night naval
engagements around Guadalcanal. Or, perhaps Santa Cruz, Eastern Solomons, etc.(although they might be covered by the Guadalcanal scenario, these might be "mini" scenarios)
Ryan's suggestion sounds interesting.
Bismark Sea
Hypothetical invasion of HI.
Truk invasion?
Raid on US west coast?
Formosa invasion by US as alternative to return to PI.
Thx
engagements around Guadalcanal. Or, perhaps Santa Cruz, Eastern Solomons, etc.(although they might be covered by the Guadalcanal scenario, these might be "mini" scenarios)
Ryan's suggestion sounds interesting.
Bismark Sea
Hypothetical invasion of HI.
Truk invasion?
Raid on US west coast?
Formosa invasion by US as alternative to return to PI.
Thx
RE: Confused
Sorry for the avoidance of doubt I aint trawling for ideas I was wondering why no oine else was doing scenarios is all ??
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Also lack Excel on my machine, which, as Andy has pointed out, would be an asset.
It's possible that freeware Open Office http://www.openoffice.org/ will work with excel files.
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Yes, I use open office for my WITP Modding needs.
Anyway; part of the problem is that even a small halfassed scenario requires a lot of knowledge.
I'm putting together a quickie 1940 or 1941 scenario based around the classical WPO -- in which the USN magically steams across 5,000 nm of pacific, and meets the IJN near/in the phillipines for a huge battle royale.
And I find myself referring a lot to several lists that I made as part of my research for my 1945 War Start Scenario:
USN BB Lineage
USN Cruiser Lineage
Etc.
Anyway; part of the problem is that even a small halfassed scenario requires a lot of knowledge.
I'm putting together a quickie 1940 or 1941 scenario based around the classical WPO -- in which the USN magically steams across 5,000 nm of pacific, and meets the IJN near/in the phillipines for a huge battle royale.
And I find myself referring a lot to several lists that I made as part of my research for my 1945 War Start Scenario:
USN BB Lineage
USN Cruiser Lineage
Etc.
RE: Confused
small halfassed scenario requires a lot of knowledge.
Yes, small scenarios imply a very detailed knowledge.