When?

[lomyrin]

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: BallyJ

Thank you for the up date.
I love WIF and I know you do too
I have checked this site every day for many years.
However this is my 63rd birthday and it has just dawned on me that I am wasting my time.
No blame to you .
You have worked hard.
But this is not going to come out before I go over the edge!!!
I just wish I had the com skill to make some contributioin!@#$%$^
sorry but there it is.
good luck
Bally J

Amen Bally on what you just wrote I am older than you and I am convinced beyond a doubt that this game is at least a year or maybe two years away from completion if ever,
I would prefer an AI but would buy it without one just to get this game into market. I have not posted for awhile because of fear of being chastized for being negative about this product but I come here everyday in hope of something constructive being done or said about this game. I read where there will be a web site coming soon about maps game play and such, actually looking forward to that so I can learn more about this game, it is my opinion that this game is too difficult to do for Steve or anyone else in the gaming industry and would appreciate an honest report frtom Matrix management about the status of this endeavour and not the useless monthly report from Steve that actually makes me depressed more than I should be about the status of this game. I really cant help my feelings and hope I have not offended anyone about my post, I am truly perplexed about this whole situation here.

Bo

I believe I am older than both of you. I am also a beta tester and have played WiF since about 1986. I fully expect to play the released version of MWiF one of these days.

In the meantime you could purchase the CWiF program from ADG and use it to learn how to play the game. It is quite playable although it is not a complete game and it's rule set is not up to date. Some of the lately added units are not included but the map and the Global War scenario function quite well. The graphics are also of an older issue and not comparable to the MWiF presentation. It is only some 15 dollars I believe.

Lars

[bo]

Lars does the game have an AI?

Bo

[lomyrin]

ORIGINAL: bo

Lars does the game have an AI?

Bo

No AI, but it can be played PBEM although with no cheat protection. Solitaire works fine.

Lars

[bo]

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

ORIGINAL: bo

Lars does the game have an AI?

Bo

No AI, but it can be played PBEM although with no cheat protection. Solitaire works fine.

Lars

Hi Lars could you explain to me in layman terms how solitare works fine, not dissagreeing with you I just want to know how you can play that way.

Bo

[lomyrin]

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

ORIGINAL: bo

Lars does the game have an AI?

Bo

No AI, but it can be played PBEM although with no cheat protection. Solitaire works fine.

Lars

Hi Lars could you explain to me in layman terms how solitare works fine, not dissagreeing with you I just want to know how you can play that way.

Bo

Solitaire is fine for learning what and how to do and to time various actions in the game. You could also play each side as best you can and then respond with the other side as best their forces can be utilized. In the Global War scenario this works pretty well from the start to about mid 42 since the Axis side has a preponderance of force and expansion capability in the first half of the game. This leaves you either defending or attacking depending on which side you would look at. 2 people could play hot seat style on the same computer.

I just looked at the ADG site again and this time I did not find the CWiF game listed for sale there so it may no longer be available.

Lars

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: lomyrin




No AI, but it can be played PBEM although with no cheat protection. Solitaire works fine.

Lars

Hi Lars could you explain to me in layman terms how solitare works fine, not dissagreeing with you I just want to know how you can play that way.

Bo

Solitaire is fine for learning what and how to do and to time various actions in the game. You could also play each side as best you can and then respond with the other side as best their forces can be utilized. In the Global War scenario this works pretty well from the start to about mid 42 since the Axis side has a preponderance of force and expansion capability in the first half of the game. This leaves you either defending or attacking depending on which side you would look at. 2 people could play hot seat style on the same computer.

I just looked at the ADG site again and this time I did not find the CWiF game listed for sale there so it may no longer be available.

Lars

It is still available.
Goto http://www.a-d-g.com.au/ and select Products >> WiF the (original) computer game

or try
http://www.a-d-g.com.au//cgi/product_details?pr_id=110

[CarnivalBizarre]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

May 2, 2010 Status Report for Matrix Games’ MWIF Forum

Artificial Intelligence (AI)
Nothing new.

? [&:]

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: CarnivalBizarre

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

May 2, 2010 Status Report for Matrix Games’ MWIF Forum

Artificial Intelligence (AI)
Nothing new.

? [&:]

I am guessing you are confused as to whether the game will have an AI? Yes it will have an AI. Lars was talking about the current state of testing.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: lomyrin




No AI, but it can be played PBEM although with no cheat protection. Solitaire works fine.

Lars

Hi Lars could you explain to me in layman terms how solitare works fine, not dissagreeing with you I just want to know how you can play that way.

Bo

Solitaire is fine for learning what and how to do and to time various actions in the game. You could also play each side as best you can and then respond with the other side as best their forces can be utilized. In the Global War scenario this works pretty well from the start to about mid 42 since the Axis side has a preponderance of force and expansion capability in the first half of the game. This leaves you either defending or attacking depending on which side you would look at. 2 people could play hot seat style on the same computer.

I just looked at the ADG site again and this time I did not find the CWiF game listed for sale there so it may no longer be available.

Lars

Sorry Lars my head is not screwed on too tight at times [:-]I now realize there is no FOW in WIF and I saw where the game is 15$ with no shipping charges, thats pretty good.
thank you.

Bo

[vonpaul]

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

ORIGINAL: bo

Lars does the game have an AI?

Bo

No AI, but it can be played PBEM although with no cheat protection. Solitaire works fine.

Lars

Is PBEM feature true? The ADG site does not mention this (it only refers to solitare or hotseat), if so it might be worth picking up.

[lomyrin]

ORIGINAL: vonpaul

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

ORIGINAL: bo

Lars does the game have an AI?

Bo

No AI, but it can be played PBEM although with no cheat protection. Solitaire works fine.

Lars

Is PBEM feature true? The ADG site does not mention this (it only refers to solitare or hotseat), if so it might be worth picking up.

To use CWiF for PBEM you would send the game file to the other player, he performs his impulse and then sends it back to you. To make it work you have to depend on the other player to do reasonable intercepts in your behalf or via instructions you sent in a text file with the game file.

It is not a formal PBEM system.

Lars

[micheljq]

Better take Vassal for PBEM now. I think it's the best alternative until MWiF is released.

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: micheljq

Better take Vassal for PBEM now. I think it's the best alternative until MWiF is released.

Once MWiF is out it will definitely be the better program. However many people may not realize Vassal requires ownership of the boxed edition. Which can be quite expensive with all the ...in Flames modules. My wife jokingly refers to the boxed WiF system as "Dollars in Flames".

[composer99]

CWiF also does some of the rule checking (although not always very well) for you, like supply, weather effects, making sure you don't exceed your activity limits, counting up oil properly, that sort of thing.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: micheljq

Better take Vassal for PBEM now. I think it's the best alternative until MWiF is released.

Agreed.

[tigercub]

what ever they pay you steve its not enought.


Tigercub!

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: tigercub

what ever they pay you steve its not enought.


Tigercub!

He gets paid [X(] I thought he was still shackled to his computer. [;)]

[HansHafen]

He better be! (Shackled that is)

[bo]

Hi abj its the new me, just bought cwif from adg [15$ us] and I am enjoying it, no AI but I dont think you need one, I know I say that now but when you [me] make stupid uneducated comments like I have made you have to eat crow which I am now doing. It does not let you make errors, but you do have to have a knowledge of the rules [which I dont have] especially about sea boxes[&:] I am sure that Steve's version with new graphics, tutorials and such will overpower this one but it is still a good teaching version of this game, I am truly enjoying this version and am looking forward to Steve's version which I do hope will be completed in the near reasonable future [not a pun and no negativity intended]

Bo

ORIGINAL: vonpaul

Bad example, civ 1-4 were all released. Cwif was not, from an end user point of view ( in my business the only one that really matters) a computer version of the game has been in development for over 10 years. That is all that matters, completely accurate or not.

I heartily disagree, you can goto ADG's website and buy CWiF right now if you wanted too. However I will agree it is not feature rich and did not meet the original expectations. However ADG must feel it is finished otherwise why is it for sale? Therefore it proves my point that this is not the same game 10 years in development. It is an overhaul of an older game that never met customer expectations. That in and of itself shows the rewrite needed. So it has been 10 years since ADG first attempted to do this project, and this is round two.
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[SamuraiProgrmmr]

ORIGINAL: bo
However ADG must feel it is finished otherwise why is it for sale?

I have been under the opinion that no one involved believed it was 'ready' for release but since it is as finished as it will ever be and people wanted to buy it 'as is', that it was released.

My understanding is that it is simply the last beta version that was ever released.

If people want to buy something that is incomplete in some fashion, are advised of the current state of the product, and people are willing to pay for it, why not sell it to them.

In this set of circumstances, 'finished' is not a cut and dried term.

I am glad that you are enjoying it.



One other thing...

When I was learning the game (about 20 years ago), I found myself going step by step with the rules every time a naval action occurred for quite some time. Don't feel that you are alone when it comes to grasping these rules slowly.