WaW version4T

[tweber]

I did transfer some German units but most of my success has been from amphibious invasions behind enemy lines.  The N.A. theater is coastal so it is very easy to cut off units if you have control of the seas.  In this scenario, the allies have not been contesting the seas much at all. 

[cveta]

ORIGINAL: tweber

I did transfer some German units but most of my success has been from amphibious invasions behind enemy lines.  The N.A. theater is coastal so it is very easy to cut off units if you have control of the seas.  In this scenario, the allies have not been contesting the seas much at all. 

Thanks for answer, and what about London fight?

P.S. l this is my 100 th post. Will I get an award? Medal or something. Free CD cover from At team?LOL

[tweber]

It took 7 assaults on London over the period of 2 turns - most of them were 5 sided with the 200% concentric bonus.  I also have an HQ in the UK to ensure I get the full staff bonus.  I probably lost 10-20 planes in air attacks and a BBII in shore bombardment.  I also lost about 200 infantry as well as some artillery and armour.  I dropped 10 fully loaded transports in the UK.  I also did about 4-5 paradrops and troop transfers.  I also am directing my Munich SS production directly to an HQ in the UK. 
 
Bottom line is that it is a major investment to capture London but I think it will be worth it in the long term.  As long as I can hold the UK, I do not have to worry about air defense in Germany.  I think my attack on the SU in 1941 will be weaker but I will be in much better shape in 1942.  We will see...

[cveta]

Thanks tweber

[82ndtrooper]

Where is the British Navy ?  The world wonders.


but an excellent invasion of the UK tweeber.

I would like to put my name on the list to play against you in the next game.

[tweber]

Oct 1940 turn sent. Tightened the ring around Manchester and Oslo. Expect both to fall next month.

Here is the picture from the Mid East. I was able to brush aside some French tanks West of El Alamein. I landed behind Alexandria and launched an unsuccessful assault. I expected to capture next turn. I hope to have control of the Suez in the next few turns.

[RufusTFirefly]

Oct 40

British units north of Manchester were eliminated, defenders south of the city had to fear to be beaten and moved to join the defenders within the city. Manchester will be clompletely surrounded next turn. Germans subs are blocking the port. An air attack failed and RAF lost two of three fighters. At Scapa Flow two German subs were spotted. US subs under command of Canadian HQ attacked and sunk one of them, the other managed to escape.

A German artillery unit half way between Jerusalem and Cairo was bombed. The artillery was eliminated, but RAF lost three of six bombers. No really a success. Defences at Alenandria are low and a fall of the city is expected.

An Italien destroyer tried to land a commando group at Port Blair in the Indian Ocean. The defenders killed the attacker (1 vs 2 rifles, just a small combat). Indian navy detected the destroyer near the Philipines and sunk it. (It had another commando group on board that seemed to be meant for another raid.)

[82ndtrooper]

very interesting game guys

keep the reports coming.

and go Rufus !!

[tweber]

Nov 1940 turn sent.
 
I captured Manchester on the second assault so Sea Lion is complete.  I have alot of tanks and mortars in the UK and I have to bring them over to the East front.  I think my assault in the east will be a bit delayed and a bit weaker due to Sea Lion but it was worth it.  I also captured Olso.
 
In the South, I captured the lower Suez port.  Only Cairo and Port Said are left.  I did a level bombing run on Port Said and it was a bit of a disaster.  The coastal guns are really tough on level bombers.  I lost 4 of 5 sent.  The Royal Navy sortied from the Med.  The are north of Tunis right now.  There is also a fleet in the Red Sea.  My Italian fleet is right off of Port Said. 

[82ndtrooper]

very interesting that this is only Nov of 1940.

Didn't your invasion of England bring the USA fully online early ?
if so, do you think you can focus on SU and defend the west from the USA. when its in the game this fast ?

this should be a really interesting game to watch.

[tweber]

ORIGINAL: 82ndtrooper

very interesting that this is only Nov of 1940.

Didn't your invasion of England bring the USA fully online early ?
if so, do you think you can focus on SU and defend the west from the USA. when its in the game this fast ?

this should be a really interesting game to watch.

By putting more than 50 power points in the UK, the US cities on the East coast (e.g., NY and Washington) come online. Boston is already online with the fall of Paris. NY is 16k production and Washington is 8k production.

Given the distances across the Ocean, it is important to make sure the West does not establish a strong foothold in the UK. I can do this by leaving some planes and tanks behind (but not too much). This is much less of a committment than if I had to worry about defending my entire industry against strategic bombardment. I guess we will see how it plays out.

[cveta]

ORIGINAL: tweber

Nov 1940 turn sent.


In the South, I captured the lower Suez port.  Only Cairo and Port Said are left.  I did a level bombing run on Port Said and it was a bit of a disaster.  The coastal guns are really tough on level bombers.  I lost 4 of 5 sent. 

Yes I agree to that. Costal guns better defend cities than a bunch of fighters. Level bombers falling from the sky instead of bombs they carried.
So in this wersion I sugest that all air attacks on citties defended by costal guns should be eexecuted realy carefuly, and only if they are realy needed. So no more hit and run bombibg. Prepare for a counter fire.

[cveta]

Tweber - attack on Turkey pays off. If Istambul is taken all turkish army is traped, with no influence on WWII. They stay to guard sheeps in Turkey. Cannot enter Su, dont have production ( ankara should be a production center ); I belive that they cannot declare war on anybady. Only option I may think about is for west to transport them to Afrika, but I think that this is not passible also. So Istambul is production center made for Axis.

[explorer2]

What you don't seem to be considering is that by attacking Turkey, if prior to 1941, you wake up the Soviet Union.
Also historically, Turkey's forces were exceedingly small, untrained, and ill equipped. They didn't make any of their own armament either.
I see no historical justification for changing their strength or production.
Gamewise, it sounds like a chorus saying make adjutments, so I expect I will for next version.

[RufusTFirefly]

ORIGINAL: tweber

Oct 1940 turn sent. Tightened the ring around Manchester and Oslo. Expect both to fall next month.

Here is the picture from the Mid East. I was able to brush aside some French tanks West of El Alamein. I landed behind Alexandria and launched an unsuccessful assault. I expected to capture next turn. I hope to have control of the Suez in the next few turns.

This is the situation in the view of western allies. Royal Navy managed to hide a group of battleships in the Suez, unnoticed by the Italien infantry. This is camouflage! (And the answer to 82ndTrooper´s question: Where is British navy?) [:D]

[RufusTFirefly]

ORIGINAL: explorer2

What you don't seem to be considering is that by attacking Turkey, if prior to 1941, you wake up the Soviet Union.
Also historically, Turkey's forces were exceedingly small, untrained, and ill equipped. They didn't make any of their own armament either.
I see no historical justification for changing their strength or production.
Gamewise, it sounds like a chorus saying make adjutments, so I expect I will for next version.

Perhaps it would be better to wait til the running games are finished. Maybe the ongoing will show whether it is a good idea to strengthen Turkey or not. We have not come very far and as 82ndTrooper has written, he expects the games run til 44-45.

It is a great scenario and I really enjoy playing it! Thanks for that! [:)]

[explorer2]

ORIGINAL: RufusTFirefly
It is a great scenario and I really enjoy playing it! Thanks for that! [:)]

And let's not forget to give thanks to the scenario's original creator, Tom! [&o]

[82ndtrooper]

ORIGINAL: tweber

ORIGINAL: 82ndtrooper

very interesting that this is only Nov of 1940.

Didn't your invasion of England bring the USA fully online early ?
if so, do you think you can focus on SU and defend the west from the USA. when its in the game this fast ?

this should be a really interesting game to watch.

By putting more than 50 power points in the UK, the US cities on the East coast (e.g., NY and Washington) come online. Boston is already online with the fall of Paris. NY is 16k production and Washington is 8k production.

Given the distances across the Ocean, it is important to make sure the West does not establish a strong foothold in the UK. I can do this by leaving some planes and tanks behind (but not too much). This is much less of a committment than if I had to worry about defending my entire industry against strategic bombardment. I guess we will see how it plays out.

I think that's a very solid strategy and will make it very difficult on the west for sure.

its going to be interesting to watch.

[GrumpyMel]

ORIGINAL: tweber

ORIGINAL: 82ndtrooper

very interesting that this is only Nov of 1940.

Didn't your invasion of England bring the USA fully online early ?
if so, do you think you can focus on SU and defend the west from the USA. when its in the game this fast ?

this should be a really interesting game to watch.

By putting more than 50 power points in the UK, the US cities on the East coast (e.g., NY and Washington) come online. Boston is already online with the fall of Paris. NY is 16k production and Washington is 8k production.

Given the distances across the Ocean, it is important to make sure the West does not establish a strong foothold in the UK. I can do this by leaving some planes and tanks behind (but not too much). This is much less of a committment than if I had to worry about defending my entire industry against strategic bombardment. I guess we will see how it plays out.

Couldn't the West use Gibraltar or North Afirica (assuming they do Torch) as a base for long range bombers to hit Europe from the South?

They'd have to be able to keep the Atlantic reasonably clear of subs to keep the supply lines open for that...but they'd need to do that regardless if they wanted some opportunity to intervene in Europe.

[tweber]

Dec 1940 turn sent.  I captured Port Said so I can now cross the Suez.  Cairo is still held.  I knocked most of it out with level bombers. 
 
Otherwise, quite.  There is a British fleet crossing the Med towards Egypt.