OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR

[Flaviusx]

Infantry loss ratio has slipped a bit, around 5.5:1 for the Germans now, but still a solid exchange rate. The Red Army rifleman is taking it in the chin here.
 
The armor ratio is down to 2.5:1. Artillery is just a bit below 4:1.
 
So, yes, the armor numbers are the big question mark for the Germans. It's actually gotten relatively worse for them since the last screenshot you took. On the positive side: you've got some pocketed tank corps now. Soviet armor losses are surely going to increase now that they are actually committing armor to battle.

[ComradeP]

Actually the Loss Summary just list casualties as men, guns, AFVs so guns could include anything from the 600mm Karl to a machine gun.

In PyleDriver's screenshot, that is clearly not the case.

I'm not entirely sure how the game came to a figure of 34257, as adding up all mortars and non-anti tank gun losses in the screenshot doesn't result in that figure. Adding up all 82mm guns and over results in 18741 guns.

Either the system doesn't work as intended, or it doesn't work like you guys think it works.

[Flaviusx]

Perhaps it is counting the 50 mm mortars?
 
 

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Perhaps it is counting the 50 mm mortars?

no, that's too many.

However, if you take everything 80mm and above and add anything else that says "gun" you get pretty close. [:D]

[ComradeP]

Including all non-AT and non-AA artillery results in 36964 losses, so that's too high.

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Including all non-AT and non-AA artillery results in 36964 losses, so that's too high.

Note that the 34,257 number is labeled "guns" not "artillery". Try adding everything 75mm and above (mortars, howitzers, field guns, inf guns, AT and AA). You don't get 34,257 but it's close.

I wouldn't expect it to be exact since I would be shocked if there are no database typos in the aggragation fields at this point in the development cycle (or a list by device number if there are no ag fields to support report summaries).

EDIT: damn I wish this forum had a spell checker [8|]

[ComradeP]

Yeah, I noticed the results are close when adding up all 76mm and higher artillery, but they don't actually match up with the total.

[Joel Billings]

I added everything from 82mm mortar down the list to 76mm Infantry gun and got 34257 which is the total on the right side. The 50mm mortar is considered a infantry heavy weapon like a machinegun or anti-tank rifle and is not counted in the total.

[wmcalpine]

The number of permanent losses (34257) matches only if you add up the permanent losses between the 82mm mortar and the 76mm infantry gun, including the AA MGs.

Drats, Joel beat me to it.

[PyleDriver]

Well heres an overview on level 4 of the Moscow area. With Hoths bridgehead across the Oka, the heat is on. I really needed 2nd PzA to pull up the right of Hoth, which it did. With Model pressing Kalinin and Hoth across the Oka from the south this should get good... I have mabe 5 weeks of good weather left. Unlike 41, I have winter clothing and can contunue this into the winter, if need be...

[Zorch]

I really don't think 5 weeks is enough time to encircle Moscow. Your spearheads will be very exposed when mud comes.
But it's going to be great fun watching...

[PyleDriver]

This is still (DAR) level 4, I have stuff Im still moving in the rear. However you have to love Kleist's 1st PzA. One guy mentioned he should join in the attack on Moscow. He is. The threat of busting into the rear is just to great and has to be countered. 6th Army is about to be freed now, and Kleist will roll the line... Remember guys, the party is in Moscow...

[Flaviusx]

A conservative alternative here might be to try to pocket everything between Kalinin and Kaluga before the mud hits, and clear the decks for flanking Moscow from the NE after the Rasputitsa. Hoth and Model are well set up for that and there's time enough to do it. And this doesn't leave them overly exposed when the mud hits, either. They'd wind up somewhere NW of Moscow sitting and the Moscow/Leningrad rail would be in their possession, making it very difficult for the Sovs to reinforce that flank.
 
They wouldn't be irrevocably committed to an encirclement operation, either. They could choose to stop then and there and go into winter quarters with a very threatening position going into 1943.
 
 

[PyleDriver]

Flav, its hell or high water. To the throat is where I'm going...Did you miss the premise of this post?

[Flaviusx]

Just throwing ideas out there, is all. I remain skeptical about your drive with Kliest, btw. Still a lot of red armor down there and they're feeling frisky.
 
 
 
 

[PyleDriver]

Flav, the good thing is there not around Moscow...Get it...Just watch, I have more in store...Damn I love this game...You have to pull there reserves around, otherwise they will crush you. I'm getting hit with losses I don't like because of them.

[SGHunt]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I really don't think 5 weeks is enough time to encircle Moscow. Your spearheads will be very exposed when mud comes.
But it's going to be great fun watching...

I don't agree, Zorch. It's five turns and 60 miles, and see what Jon has done in five turns, especially South of Moscow. And he has Kleist doing another number (I look forward to seeing the finessse here) on the Russian reserves that ought to be defending against Hoth... With 1st PzA tucked in close he should be able to make it (although another Inf Corps would help [;)])

My worry is that Model does not have another infantry army to support his flank. Armin's corps is too good to leave as flank protection and besides it will be needed for the last push over the waterways and canals. Is there some way of cobbling together a reinforced infantry corps from armies to the North (and Centre)? There's a panzer divsion that must be near full strength in operational reserve West of Moscow - that, plus two or three inf. divisions would be mighty useful to keep Model rolling after he has taken Kalinin.

Just scratching my itch again, Jon!
Stuart

[SGHunt]

Sorry, it's 2nd PzA that's supporting Hoth

[ComradeP]

It will be interesting to see how easy it is for armour to attack Moscow. It should be very difficult to take a defended Moscow with tanks, so I'd say a time table of 5 weeks against a competent defense and/or a heavily fortified Moscow might not work.

[Hard Sarge]

he is not going to attack Moscow