Why is Matrix selling the CD version for more then NWS?

[Sheytan]

Question to Matrix. Why is this title bieng sold here for more then the NWS store? What am I missing?

[MajFrankBurns]

Distributer deal Sheytan they've had it for years. NWS has pretty much always sold the physical game for the same price as Matrixgames direct download without physical copy. Just broadens there avenues of sales. I buy most of my games from NWS unless Matrixgames sells the games without a manual anyway. In this case this really is the first time the physical has been $10 cheaper than the direct download though. It will just be a case and a cdrom (perhaps a dvdrom?) and that's all. Plus there still will be that $4 shipping fee so it's really only a $6 savings here in the US. Still not in my price range as I want it for $59.99 + $4 shipping.

[Sheytan]

It is 69.99 there, 89.99 here, thats a 20 buck diff.

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

Distributer deal Sheytan they've had it for years. NWS has pretty much always sold the physical game for the same price as Matrixgames direct download without physical copy. Just broadens there avenues of sales. I buy most of my games from NWS unless Matrixgames sells the games without a manual anyway. In this case this really is the first time the physical has been $10 cheaper than the direct download though. It will just be a case and a cdrom (perhaps a dvdrom?) and that's all. Plus there still will be that $4 shipping fee so it's really only a $6 savings here in the US. Still not in my price range as I want it for $59.99 + $4 shipping.

[bretg80]

Get it while you can, Matrix may fix this pricing discrepancy.

[Sheytan]

I might if Matrix meets that price ;}. Because aside for the CD I want my Digital download too. Not a question of me doing anything frankly, but rather Matrix matching it so I can buy it.

ORIGINAL: bretg80

Get it while you can, Matrix may fix this pricing discrepancy.

[Erik Rutins]

NWS is one of our authorized dealers and they do get a discount because they order from us in bulk. This is part of the outreach we started years ago to other wargame hobby shops/resellers/distributors to raise awareness of our products. What they choose to set the price at after their discount is up to them.

Regards,

- Erik

[Sheytan]

Interesting.

[TheWombat_matrixforum]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

NWS is one of our authorized dealers and they do get a discount because they order from us in bulk. This is part of the outreach we started years ago to other wargame hobby shops/resellers/distributors to raise awareness of our products. What they choose to set the price at after their discount is up to them.

Regards,

- Erik

With all respect, it sounds like your business model needs work...supporting a competitor who then undercuts you...you darn well better be "expanding the market" a lot, and in readily monetizable ways....[:)]

[MajFrankBurns]

Why Wombat when Matrixgames has already got their profit from the bulk sales to NSW. I think they also use Tri-Synergy for distribution also. Will this be on Amazon.com also Erik?

Also if you check you'll find that NWS undercuts HPS titles by $20 also. HPS gets $49.99 mostly for their titles and NSW sells them for $29.99 most of the time. He does jack up his prices when he lists them on ebay though to $34.99

For Matrixgames a sale of a copy is a sale of a copy. They may not make as much by NWS or Tri-Synergy selling them but they also don't have to do the sales marketing either for those distribution sites.

[Sheytan]

I think the point is, why would anyone want to buy it here? And further, if it is available for less from a authorized distributer...again its cheaper there...why not match the price? It makes no sense at all. none, nada.

Edited to add the following, I didnt want to say this but, what this situation resembles...is gouging people whom are dedicated to purchasing product directly from Matrix. This is frankly what the situation now looks like.

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

Why Wombat when Matrixgames has already got their profit from the bulk sales to NSW. I think they also use Tri-Synergy for distribution also. Will this be on Amazon.com also Erik?

Also if you check you'll find that NWS undercuts HPS titles by $20 also. HPS gets $49.99 mostly for their titles and NSW sells them for $29.99 most of the time. He does jack up his prices when he lists them on ebay though to $34.99

For Matrixgames a sale of a copy is a sale of a copy. They may not make as much by NWS or Tri-Synergy selling them but they also don't have to do the sales marketing either for those distribution sites.

[thewood1]

This distribution model is extremely common is all businesses.  OEM companies like Matrix usually have/will set their price as fixed to give their channels a chance to make money on volume.
 
btw, as I just found out, NWS doesn't charge you sales tax for US states and that will save you around another US$5.

[MajFrankBurns]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I think the point is, why would anyone want to buy it here? And further, if it is available for less from a authorized distributer...again its cheaper there...why not match the price? It makes no sense at all. none, nada.

Edited to add the following, I didnt want to say this but, what this situation resembles...is gouging people whom are dedicated to purchasing product directly from Matrix. This is frankly what the situation now looks like.

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

Why Wombat when Matrixgames has already got their profit from the bulk sales to NSW. I think they also use Tri-Synergy for distribution also. Will this be on Amazon.com also Erik?

Also if you check you'll find that NWS undercuts HPS titles by $20 also. HPS gets $49.99 mostly for their titles and NSW sells them for $29.99 most of the time. He does jack up his prices when he lists them on ebay though to $34.99

For Matrixgames a sale of a copy is a sale of a copy. They may not make as much by NWS or Tri-Synergy selling them but they also don't have to do the sales marketing either for those distribution sites.

Not really Sheytan it's nothing more than those that read the weekly ads for grocery stores and goto the one that sells the same product as the other for a dollar or two less. Those that don't read the ads pay more at their regular stores. We've been playing that game for a long time now. On the internet it's usually by word of mouth we find out these deals. I do searches daily for bargains while others wouldn't waste their time as there is also a thing called value vs time!
So there's value vs cost and there is value vs time. Some people are just impatient and buy what they want when they see it disregarding sales or sales ads.

[Sheytan]

I see. Thanks. Frankly I have never purchased anything from NWS. Guess I need to keep my eye on them now.

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I think the point is, why would anyone want to buy it here? And further, if it is available for less from a authorized distributer...again its cheaper there...why not match the price? It makes no sense at all. none, nada.

Edited to add the following, I didnt want to say this but, what this situation resembles...is gouging people whom are dedicated to purchasing product directly from Matrix. This is frankly what the situation now looks like.

ORIGINAL: MajFrankBurns

Why Wombat when Matrixgames has already got their profit from the bulk sales to NSW. I think they also use Tri-Synergy for distribution also. Will this be on Amazon.com also Erik?

Also if you check you'll find that NWS undercuts HPS titles by $20 also. HPS gets $49.99 mostly for their titles and NSW sells them for $29.99 most of the time. He does jack up his prices when he lists them on ebay though to $34.99

For Matrixgames a sale of a copy is a sale of a copy. They may not make as much by NWS or Tri-Synergy selling them but they also don't have to do the sales marketing either for those distribution sites.

Not really Sheytan it's nothing more than those that read the weekly ads for grocery stores and goto the one that sells the same product as the other for a dollar or two less. Those that don't read the ads pay more at their regular stores. We've been playing that game for a long time now. On the internet it's usually by word of mouth we find out these deals. I do searches daily for bargains while others wouldn't waste their time as there is also a thing called value vs time!
So there's value vs cost and there is value vs time. Some people are just impatient and buy what they want when they see it disregarding sales or sales ads.

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I think the point is, why would anyone want to buy it here?

Because Matrix does Direct Download and NWS does not, never underestimate the power of instant gratification.

Also you risk losing your rights to support for the game when buying through a small dealer like NWS. If NWS goes down and you later lose your serial number or something, you'll have to re-purchase the game. I'm not saying NWS is in any danger of going belly up or anything, but the risks are higher when you are dealing with a tiny one man operation like NWS. At least I think it’s just one guy over there.

Jim

[MajFrankBurns]

He's a real good guy Sheytan and he will work with you in every way to get you what you want. He also takes trade-ins of old games you no longer want or play. It's good if you have all the materials like the box, cd, cases and mauals too.

[Adam Parker]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I think the point is, why would anyone want to buy it here?

A fast, safe and efficient Digital Download service.

[carrickbd]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I think the point is, why would anyone want to buy it here?

Because Matrix does Direct Download and NWS does not, never underestimate the power of instant gratification.

Also you risk losing your rights to support for the game when buying through a small dealer like NWS. If NWS goes down and you later lose your serial number or something, you'll have to re-purchase the game. I'm not saying NWS is in any danger of going belly up or anything, but the risks are higher when you are dealing with a tiny one man operation like NWS. At least I think it’s just one guy over there.

Jim

Not really. The serial number can be registered on this site, since its issued by Matrix.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I think the point is, why would anyone want to buy it here? And further, if it is available for less from a authorized distributer...again its cheaper there...why not match the price? It makes no sense at all. none, nada.

I buy direct from Matrix to support a company that provides me with enjoyable games (UV, WITP, WITP-AE etc...). No longer do we have a large number of quality game companies. To me, it is better I spend a few extra dollars and help Matrix than to save a few bucks and see them go under.

[PirateJock]

I go with Matrix to support at source. May be old-fashioned but I'm happy to pay extra if I feel it's worth it and give my hard-earned cash to what I believe is a good company. I also prefer download to physical - less clutter, save trees etc.

[blastpop]

ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish


I buy direct from Matrix to support a company that provides me with enjoyable games (UV, WITP, WITP-AE etc...). No longer do we have a large number of quality game companies. To me, it is better I spend a few extra dollars and help Matrix than to save a few bucks and see them go under.

The flip side is I can buy games which I might not be able to afford otherwise and/or buy more games over time. This same debate also occurs with other wargame companies as well. In the end a consumer needs to choose the model that fits his needs.