Question about Britain

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: E

ORIGINAL: Slick Wilhelm

I think I speak for a lot of American males when I say that there is nothing more sexy in this world than an attractive female with an English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish accent. Zowee! 

What ilovestrategy said... but add Aussie.

Warspite1

Please see post 33

There must be something too it. My high school buddy always has his Garmen GPS navigator set to the Female Australian Voice setting.

I have that destinctive Aussie rendition of "Recalculating" permanently etched into my memory. [:D]

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

And I would agree....I never did like Thatcher, but she did drag the country forward.

But a caveat is some of her policies were disgraceful...not least of all the Poll Tax (more importantly trying it on a nation she had already pissed off which stank of "yeah whatever - have some of this too). Selling council accomodation (the very reason why so many layabouts in the UK get nice shiny 3 and 4 bedroom houses!!). The dismantling of the armed forces (an the message this sent to the Argentinians) to make them all full of gung ho about Las Malvinas...

She wasn't all evil...but you'd be hard pushed to find a Scot to agree with that [;)]

Just re-reading some posts. Could you see anyone else leading the UK at that time? I don't agree with all that Reagan did, but I don't see anyone else leading the US at the time, or for that matter standing up to the USSR. I think Reagan and Thatcher was the best team possible at the time.

[Twotribes]

Revisionists would have us believe the Soviets collapsed all on their own.

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

Revisionists would have us believe the Soviets collapsed all on their own.

One page to tell about the why,who and what ww2 was all about,in her school books, while a whole chapter on the civil rights movement, taken from my daughters history book in high school.

[SeaMonkey]

You thought right doomtrader!
[8D]

ORIGINAL: doomtrader

Here in the States we call our selves Americans, regardless of which state we come from.

I thought there Americans and Texans.

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: axisandallies
Just re-reading some posts. Could you see anyone else leading the UK at that time? I don't agree with all that Reagan did, but I don't see anyone else leading the US at the time, or for that matter standing up to the USSR. I think Reagan and Thatcher was the best team possible at the time.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

ORIGINAL: axisandallies
Just re-reading some posts. Could you see anyone else leading the UK at that time? I don't agree with all that Reagan did, but I don't see anyone else leading the US at the time, or for that matter standing up to the USSR. I think Reagan and Thatcher was the best team possible at the time.

Warspite1

[:D][&:][:(][X(][8|][:-][:@]

(it's only because you shouldn't speak ill of the dead that I will leave my comment at that!)

[JudgeDredd]

mmm...no idea he had died in March. RIP.

[hgilmer3]

I find history fascinating and this thread proves it.  Thanks for the historical view of the differences between the various names The United Kingdom has existed under - and hopefully I am correct in the usage.

Sometimes, I just sit and do what ifs constantly because so many things have happened in history that could never happen again exactly the way they happened, if you could go back and redo them.

It reminds me of a book (Fatherland?) that I read once and the premise was Germany had pretty much either won WW2 or at least was able to bring about a peace that kept them from defeat.  It was set in the 60s, I think and it was a murder mystery.

[PunkReaper]

I watched CNN last night reporting on the Queen's speech to the United Nations. Every time they referred to her they called her "The Queen of England"...... don't tell the Scots, Welsh etc..... esp. don't tell Judge.[&:]

[PunkReaper]

For your further information she is :

Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis. Bit of a mouthful for a CNN reporter.....[:'(]

[Phatguy]

ORIGINAL: Punk Reaper

For your further information she is :

Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis. Bit of a mouthful for a CNN reporter.....[:'(]

Yes, CNN reporters are not known for their fact-checking nor their diction......

[PunkReaper]

Thought that was Fox News?

[redcoat]

ORIGINAL: Punk Reaper

For your further information she is :

Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis.

I suspect that this list isn't complete. Her Majesty is also Queen of Gibraltar for example. There are also other overseas territories from the Falklands to Diego Garcia.

[Big B]

I think it's fair to say of today's generation of Americans - we are predominately Anglophile in all things, thanks to two world wars, a shared history (1600-1775), and Monty Python's Flying Circus....and a lot of water under the bridge.

However, for much of the USA's history, that really wasn't the case.
My direct lineage came to America from York (Yorkshire?) England in 1607 and settled in what became Providence Rhode Island. My first American born fore-father was born there (R.I.) in the winter of 1607-1608 (the church records say...no month).

Today, we Americans love and appreciate our British connection (and I have no qualms about that), but remember too, Great Britain (as I was taught to call her in school) was the USA's #1 potential enemy from 1776 to 1930. Our allegiance in WWI was a near-run choice in 1914...the rest is history.
But it wasn't until the early 1930's that our War Department actually stopped planning for the possibility of a war with Great Britain. Prior to that, Great Britain was seen as the the most likely power to threaten the USA....she was the only one that had the Navy and Empire to do it....and prior to WWI - we did have some bad blood between us. That is all forgotten today, and that's a good thing.

As for accents and girls, my father explained to me years ago - as much as we like that accent here, over there - we are the exotic sounding ones whom the girls are attracted to...words of wisdom for Yanks who love British (and Australian) women...[;)]

B

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: E


What ilovestrategy said... but add Aussie.

Warspite1

Please see post 33

There must be something too it. My high school buddy always has his Garmen GPS navigator set to the Female Australian Voice setting.

I have that destinctive Aussie rendition of "Recalculating" permanently etched into my memory. [:D]

[axisandallies]

ORIGINAL: Big B

I think it's fair to say of today's generation of Americans - we are predominately Anglophile in all things, thanks to two world wars, a shared history (1600-1775), and Monty Python's Flying Circus....and a lot of water under the bridge.

However, for much of the USA's history, that really wasn't the case.
My direct lineage came to America from York (Yorkshire?) England in 1607 and settled in what became Providence Rhode Island. My first American born fore-father was born there (R.I.) in the winter of 1607-1608 (the church records say...no month).

Today, we Americans love and appreciate our British connection (and I have no qualms about that), but remember too, Great Britain (as I was taught to call her in school) was the USA's #1 potential enemy from 1776 to 1930. Our allegiance in WWI was a near-run choice in 1914...the rest is history.
But it wasn't until the early 1930's that our War Department actually stopped planning for the possibility of a war with Great Britain. Prior to that, Great Britain was seen as the the most likely power to threaten the USA....she was the only one that had the Navy and Empire to do it....and prior to WWI - we did have some bad blood between us. That is all forgotten today, and that's a good thing.

As for accents and girls, my father explained to me years ago - as much as we like that accent here, over there - we are the exotic sounding ones whom the girls are attracted to...words of wisdom for Yanks who love British (and Australian) women...[;)]

B

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: warspite1
Warspite1

Please see post 33

There must be something too it. My high school buddy always has his Garmen GPS navigator set to the Female Australian Voice setting.

I have that destinctive Aussie rendition of "Recalculating" permanently etched into my memory. [:D]

you my friend are a tiny minortiy (and I mean tiny less thann .1%) of caucasion people in American that can say that there people came from England. More people came from Scotland and Ireland than ever from England. British Conection? Language yes, but heritage no. More Germans came to America than the whole of UK and heck you can throw in the Italians as well. So I would say language is really the only thing we share in common.

[ckammp]

ORIGINAL: axisandallies

ORIGINAL: Big B

I think it's fair to say of today's generation of Americans - we are predominately Anglophile in all things, thanks to two world wars, a shared history (1600-1775), and Monty Python's Flying Circus....and a lot of water under the bridge.

However, for much of the USA's history, that really wasn't the case.
My direct lineage came to America from York (Yorkshire?) England in 1607 and settled in what became Providence Rhode Island. My first American born fore-father was born there (R.I.) in the winter of 1607-1608 (the church records say...no month).

Today, we Americans love and appreciate our British connection (and I have no qualms about that), but remember too, Great Britain (as I was taught to call her in school) was the USA's #1 potential enemy from 1776 to 1930. Our allegiance in WWI was a near-run choice in 1914...the rest is history.
But it wasn't until the early 1930's that our War Department actually stopped planning for the possibility of a war with Great Britain. Prior to that, Great Britain was seen as the the most likely power to threaten the USA....she was the only one that had the Navy and Empire to do it....and prior to WWI - we did have some bad blood between us. That is all forgotten today, and that's a good thing.

As for accents and girls, my father explained to me years ago - as much as we like that accent here, over there - we are the exotic sounding ones whom the girls are attracted to...words of wisdom for Yanks who love British (and Australian) women...[;)]

B

ORIGINAL: Nikademus


There must be something too it. My high school buddy always has his Garmen GPS navigator set to the Female Australian Voice setting.

I have that destinctive Aussie rendition of "Recalculating" permanently etched into my memory. [:D]

you my friend are a tiny minortiy (and I mean tiny less thann .1%) of caucasion people in American that can say that there people came from England. More people came from Scotland and Ireland than ever from England. British Conection? Language yes, but heritage no. More Germans came to America than the whole of UK and heck you can throw in the Italians as well. So I would say language is really the only thing we share in common.

Your numbers are way off.

From the last U.S. census (2000):
% of total U.S. population
German-American 17%
Irish-American 12%
English-American 9%
Italian-American 6%
French-American 4%
Polish-American 3%
Scottish-American 2%
Dutch-American 1.5%
Norwegian-American 1.5%
Scotch-Irish-American 1.5%

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: axisandallies

ORIGINAL: Big B

I think it's fair to say of today's generation of Americans - we are predominately Anglophile in all things, thanks to two world wars, a shared history (1600-1775), and Monty Python's Flying Circus....and a lot of water under the bridge.

However, for much of the USA's history, that really wasn't the case.
My direct lineage came to America from York (Yorkshire?) England in 1607 and settled in what became Providence Rhode Island. My first American born fore-father was born there (R.I.) in the winter of 1607-1608 (the church records say...no month).

Today, we Americans love and appreciate our British connection (and I have no qualms about that), but remember too, Great Britain (as I was taught to call her in school) was the USA's #1 potential enemy from 1776 to 1930. Our allegiance in WWI was a near-run choice in 1914...the rest is history.
But it wasn't until the early 1930's that our War Department actually stopped planning for the possibility of a war with Great Britain. Prior to that, Great Britain was seen as the the most likely power to threaten the USA....she was the only one that had the Navy and Empire to do it....and prior to WWI - we did have some bad blood between us. That is all forgotten today, and that's a good thing.

As for accents and girls, my father explained to me years ago - as much as we like that accent here, over there - we are the exotic sounding ones whom the girls are attracted to...words of wisdom for Yanks who love British (and Australian) women...[;)]

B

ORIGINAL: Nikademus


There must be something too it. My high school buddy always has his Garmen GPS navigator set to the Female Australian Voice setting.

I have that destinctive Aussie rendition of "Recalculating" permanently etched into my memory. [:D]

you my friend are a tiny minortiy (and I mean tiny less thann .1%) of caucasion people in American that can say that there people came from England. More people came from Scotland and Ireland than ever from England. British Conection? Language yes, but heritage no. More Germans came to America than the whole of UK and heck you can throw in the Italians as well. So I would say language is really the only thing we share in common.

Warspite1

axisandallies, can you confirm where you got that stat from? No heritage? Where do you think the likes of George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were descended from?

If German and or Italian immigration was so colossal compared to the UK's puny effort, why didn't your language change over time?

I hope this isn't the anti-British (English) bias previously shown coming to the fore again - or is it because we gave you Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake that you hate us so much? [;)]

[7th Somersets]

So I would say language is really the only thing we share in common.

Have you ever visited the UK?

From the last U.S. census (2000):
% of total U.S. population
German-American 17%
Irish-American 12%
English-American 9%
Italian-American 6%
French-American 4%
Polish-American 3%
Scottish-American 2%
Dutch-American 1.5%
Norwegian-American 1.5%
Scotch-Irish-American 1.5%

Of course the sequence of settling is very important in determining the culture that emerges too.

A further thing to bear in mind is that the UK and Irish populations do not live within their own borders exclusively. People travel widely and have done for many years and so for people to report their 'heritage' in the manner described above is a little suspect.

I'm no expert in the naming of American cities/towns but guess that you might have some clues as to who was settling where from that. I can't see a crowd of people from Galway turning up in New York and saying 'I know let's call this place 'New York',' or have I got that wrong?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: 7th Somersets

So I would say language is really the only thing we share in common.

Have you ever visited the UK?

From the last U.S. census (2000):
% of total U.S. population
German-American 17%
Irish-American 12%
English-American 9%
Italian-American 6%
French-American 4%
Polish-American 3%
Scottish-American 2%
Dutch-American 1.5%
Norwegian-American 1.5%
Scotch-Irish-American 1.5%

Of course the sequence of settling is very important in determining the culture that emerges too.

A further thing to bear in mind is that the UK and Irish populations do not live within their own borders exclusively. People travel widely and have done for many years and so for people to report their 'heritage' in the manner described above is a little suspect.

I'm no expert in the naming of American cities/towns but guess that you might have some clues as to who was settling where from that. I can't see a crowd of people from Galway turning up in New York and saying 'I know let's call this place 'New York',' or have I got that wrong?

Warspite1

Many (most?) names of the places no doubt betray their original colonial "owners". New England, New Hampshire, Boston, Cambridge, Virginia, Fredericksburg, Jamestown etc etc for the English, Detroit, Michigan, New Orleans, Louisiana, St Louis etc etc for France, Nevada, Montana, Alberqueque, Toledo and Los Angeles etc etc for Spain.

Interesting that some (most?) names were not changed after the removal of the previous rulers e.g. France or Spain, but some were e.g. New York (ex-New Amsterdam). Also there are place names in say New England that betray Italian roots - e.g. I assume that Syracuse in New York is named after Syracuse on Sicily. There are also a few names of German origin -although very few major cities.

Would any US forum member fancy starting a new thread to give some background info to place names and related history?