Andy Mac v PZB This time India will Stand !!!!

[Thayne]

If I may ask . . . where does one get the raw data for making these types of calculations?

I would like to make these types of calculations as well . . . independent of what the game engine may or may not allow.

Thayne

[Andy Mac]

I have a spreadsheet I use to calc them hang on I will post an example of it

[Andy Mac]

There you go

[Andy Mac]

Same analysis supporting BUR CORPS

As you can see at present my supply net can sustain 1 Div from Imphal and 2 from Silchar and Dimapur

As one of the Divs in this attack is the lightend 17th Div on mule pack and the other is my Burmese Div I feel able to support an Indpt Bde as well but then most of my C47's are ont his route as well

In temrs of Corps troops I have a Regt of Stuarts, a Regt of Mountain Guns and a composte AA Regt

So this is really light on support weapons

I thought pretty carefully about how much force was credible to commit

[Andy Mac]

Getting Dimapur and Kohima full developed would allow maybe another 2 - 3 Divs in this theatre more C47's maybe another 1 or 2 butt hats probably the limit but I only had so many engineering assets
 
i.e. the max force I think  can sustain out of Imphal even if all bases is full developed to cross the Irrawaddy without a good recieving Air Filed is about 8 Divs absoulute max or 5 or 6 on land supply excluding all corps and army level support troops

[Wirraway_Ace]

Andy,
 
the "Supply Rating" is based on the number of secondary roads (100), main roads (150), and minor rail (200) that are in the base hex?

[traskott]

Oh, my, with all this maths on hand, I think a full ofensive throught Burma looks like impossible, from the logistical point of view...

[Andy Mac]

Difficult not impossible
 
In other news Emerald fell today so progress is being made I have piched and saved B17's for this day I am now focussed and concentrated and will use them to destroy his AF

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

PZB was unhappy with a mechanic that a single para squad could stop movement - in strat mode I think they could have !!!!

If a dozen partisans with a few sticks of dynamite each could screw up a rail line, a para unit could nuke one.

[pat.casey]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

PZB was unhappy with a mechanic that a single para squad could stop movement - in strat mode I think they could have !!!!

If a dozen partisans with a few sticks of dynamite each could screw up a rail line, a para unit could nuke one.

On the timescale of this game, that's not really true I don't think.

Sure, you can blow up, say, a half mile of track, but a rail repair crew can lay that much track again in a few hours if its on the ball. They were laying 20-40 miles of track a day when they build the trans-continental railroad and that includes grading, and was done with 1870s technology.

So worst case you might delay a some trains by a few hours, but you certainly wouldn't send everybody back to their original embarkation station and unload them all.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: pat.casey

Sure, you can blow up, say, a half mile of track, but a rail repair crew can lay that much track again in a few hours if its on the ball.

Not while the para unit is still owns that ground. After the para unit is destroyed (they can't retreat unless another unit has established control of a hex side) - yes, of course.

[Andy Mac]

And exactly how many tools and rolling stock do you think a Japanese invasion of Australia would have captured.
 
Strategic movement of 50,000 men in one day piffle no way !!!
 
(p.s. yes I am aware I am changing my ground mid argument !!!)
 
Andy

[Andy Mac]

I didnt like this one at all...
 
Stat bombing in China well he started it not me everyone please know that he started it...
 
Paras at Lashio and a bombardment of Chittagong
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 21, 42
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ASW attack near Lanai  at 181,110
 
Japanese Ships
      SS RO-60
 
Allied Ships
      DD Stack
      DD Farragut
      DD Wilson
 
 
 
SS RO-60 launches 6 torpedoes at DD Stack
RO-60 diving deep ....
DD Farragut fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
 
 
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Naval bombardment of Chittagong at 55,41 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
 
Allied aircraft
      no flights
 
Allied aircraft losses
      P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
      Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed on ground
      Kittyhawk IA: 2 destroyed on ground
 
149 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
 
Japanese Ships
      BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 5
      BB Fuso
      BB Haruna
      CL Abukuma
      CL Kinu
      DD Kisaragi
      DD Mutsuki
      DD Yugiri
      DD Sagiri
      DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 5,  on fire
      DD Arashio
      DD Oshio
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      334 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 48 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
      Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)
 
 
Airbase hits 39
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 387
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1
 
BB Yamashiro firing at Chittagong Fortress
BB Fuso firing at Chittagong
BB Haruna firing at Chittagong
CL Abukuma firing at Chittagong Fortress
CL Kinu firing at Chittagong
DD Kisaragi firing at Chittagong
DD Mutsuki firing at Chittagong
DD Yugiri firing at Chittagong
DD Sagiri firing at Chittagong
DD Natsugumo firing at Chittagong Fortress
DD Arashio firing at Chittagong
DD Oshio firing at Chittagong
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 21
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      P-43A-1 Lancer x 2
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
      P-43A-1 Lancer: 1 destroyed
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      21 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet
 
CAP engaged:
11th FG/44th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 15000
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
5th FG/29th FS CAF with P-43A-1 Lancer (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 15000
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 192nd Tank Battalion, at 88,148
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 19
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      19 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Silchar , at 59,39
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 34
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      34 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet *
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-Ic Sally x 48
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 22
      Ki-49-Ia Helen x 9
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-Ic Sally: 10 damaged
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
      Ki-49-Ia Helen: 4 damaged
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged
 
 
 
Heavy Industry hits 5
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               City Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       9 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               City Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               City Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      23 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               City Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               City Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on AVG Ground Echelon , at 62,46 (Lashio)
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 9
      Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
      Ki-48-IIa Lily x 25
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      22 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      25 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet *
               Ground Attack:  2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 2nd USMC Tank Battalion, at 88,148
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 58
      Ki-48-IIa Lily x 27
      Ki-49-Ia Helen x 36
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged
      Ki-48-IIa Lily: 3 damaged
      Ki-49-Ia Helen: 8 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
      Vehicles lost 95 (4 destroyed, 91 disabled)
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      27 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
      31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      36 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
Also attacking 194th Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd USMC Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 194th Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd USMC Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 194th Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd USMC Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 194th Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd USMC Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 194th Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd USMC Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 194th Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd USMC Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 194th Tank Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd USMC Tank Battalion ...
 
 
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Morning Air attack on AVG Ground Echelon , at 62,46 (Lashio)
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 29
      Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 67
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
      Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 5 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      60 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      35 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      29 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      12 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 3000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      12 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 5000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 2000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 4000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 9
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       3 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 194th Tank Battalion, at 88,148
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 33
      Ki-21-Ic Sally x 25
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-Ic Sally: 5 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Changsha , at 82,52
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-48-Ib Lily x 23
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 damaged
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      23 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 7000 feet *
               City Attack:  2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 66th Chinese Corps, at 61,46
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 33
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      98 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      33 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 192nd Tank Battalion, at 88,148
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      29 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet
 
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on 6th Chinese Corps, at 74,55 (Liuchow)
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      10 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 6000 feet
 
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on 6th Chinese Corps, at 74,55 (Liuchow)
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 15
      Ki-48-IIa Lily x 6
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 8 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      85 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       6 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
 
Also attacking 4th War Area  ...
Also attacking 6th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 4th War Area  ...
Also attacking 6th Chinese Corps ...
 
 
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Ground combat at Lashio (62,46)
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 210 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14
 
Defending force 180 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 13
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Lashio !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      71 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Units retreated 1
 
 
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
 
Assaulting units:
    3rd Raiding Rgt /225
 
Defending units:
    AVG Ground Echelon
 

[castor troy]

when looking at the naval bombardment, you aren´t using the latest beta patch, are you?

[ADB123]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

when looking at the naval bombardment, you aren´t using the latest beta patch, are you?

How does the Beta change things for naval bombardments? What would you expect to be different?

Thanks -

[ADB123]

I didnt like this one at all...

Stat bombing in China well he started it not me everyone please know that he started it...

Paras at Lashio and a bombardment of Chittagong

You now know what to do with your 4Es...

BTW - were you surprised by the naval bombardment of Chittagong? I would think that as long as the Japanese have any BBs and CAs you wouldn't leave any planes at any coastal base at any Front.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: ADB123

ORIGINAL: castor troy

when looking at the naval bombardment, you aren´t using the latest beta patch, are you?

How does the Beta change things for naval bombardments? What would you expect to be different?

Thanks -

less "nuke" like... at least I haven´t seen such a result in the beta patch games, either due to not possible to happen or players haven´t figured out how to do it yet [:D]

[Andy Mac]

We shall see how it goes
 
Anyway my tanks keep on rolling forward...
 
PZB is steadily retreating Rockhampton is now mine and my tanks are afvancing at pace inland
 
My air has been stood down for a few days to allow his troops to bug out un molested.
 
I have most of my AF on Naval Attack at present waiting for the (inevitable) attempt to bombard my coastal bases....
 
In China a Hurricane Sqn supporting the Chinese shot down 17 japanese aircraft so a good day all round

[Andy Mac]

p.s oh and my offensives are underway on all fronts other than CENTPAC where I await the arrival of the Saratoga TF

[Andy Mac]

Attacking a single HAA and LAA Regt at 6,000 feet is not a good idea
 

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Australian Brigade, at 89,147
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 58
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      P-38E Lightning x 1
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 27 damaged
 
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      210 casualties reported
         Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
      Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
      Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      27 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
CAP engaged:
3rd PS (P) with P-38E Lightning (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      1 plane(s) intercepting now.
      Group patrol altitude is 27000
      Raid is overhead
 
Also attacking 2nd Australian Army ...
Also attacking 3rd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Australian Army ...
Also attacking 3rd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Australian Army ...
Also attacking 3rd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Australian Army ...
Also attacking 3rd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Australian Army ...
Also attacking 3rd Australian Brigade ...
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Australian Brigade, at 89,147
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 33
      Ki-21-Ic Sally x 26
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      P-38E Lightning x 1
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
 
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      69 casualties reported
         Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
      Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      25 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 6000 feet
 
CAP engaged:
3rd PS (P) with P-38E Lightning (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      1 plane(s) intercepting now.
      Group patrol altitude is 27000
      Raid is overhead