search arcs

[bush]

Just recently (5/42) started using search arcs. How do I get them to NOT show on the game map? My TFs are getting lost inside the lines!

Yesterday I seemed to be able to do this by toggling the F3 button, but this morning that did not have any effect.

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Z or Y should do the trick.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Z or Y should do the trick.

Z

[bush]

Thanks guys!

[tigercub]

they dont seem to be working anyway...

Tigercub

[Sardaukar]

To elaborate a bit, Search Arcs seem to have some problems, according to this thread and small tests:
 
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2576654
 
I have noticed same, when setting Search Arcs, detections go down inside the arc, instead of giving better chance of detection. I have not tested it myself yet, but those tests are reinforcing my "gut feeling".
 
Maybe michaelm (or others?) could take a look at it, since if there is a bug, it renders SAs unusable.

[tigercub]

After removing my Search Arcs last night my spotting as if magic went crazy...i noticed a big increases including a slow convoy 2 hexs away for my stationary CV group i nealy fell out of my chair this was NO test...but some things fishy out there.

Tigercub

[Sardaukar]

Bump, since this is big ugly bug, if as it seems. 

[michaelm75au]

It looks like the arcs are being created in reverse - searches that go in clockwise direction are getting build in the anti-clockwise.
I thought that this was something that was fixed in an earlier patch, but it looks like it has reverted back to the older code.

This could be the crux why search arc don't seem to be working.

[herwin]

ORIGINAL: michaelm

It looks like the arcs are being created in reverse - searches that go in clockwise direction are getting build in the anti-clockwise.
I thought that this was something that was fixed in an earlier patch, but it looks like it has reverted back to the older code.

This could be the crux why search arc don't seem to be working.

One of the classic oopsies--that's why we teach our students to use test-driven development. Once they've written a test case, it's automatically executed whenever they do a pre-release test. See this site for some of the old jokes. Advanced math can be useful. We used winding number to see whether the projected impact point of a bomb violated no-fire exclusions.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: michaelm

It looks like the arcs are being created in reverse - searches that go in clockwise direction are getting build in the anti-clockwise.
I thought that this was something that was fixed in an earlier patch, but it looks like it has reverted back to the older code.

This could be the crux why search arc don't seem to be working.

Thanks for info Michael - great discovery in code! [:)][&o]

And thanks to "Radar" for his thread in main forum! [:)]


Leo "Apollo11"

[KenchiSulla]

The reason I didnt sink Hermes and her escorts after damaging her in a surface battle ... Thanks for finding this! Your support is much appreciated!

[Bliztk]

So instead of setting the "Search Arc", we are setting the "Do Not Search Arc".

Correct ?

[Smeulders]

If I understand it correctly it's like this. If you set a search arc from 0-40 degrees (so clockwise from 0 to 40), you instead get a search from 320-0 (so anti-clockwise from 0 to 320).

[Torplexed]

Thanks for tracking this one down. On the plus side, I guess this means my backfield was well-covered in my last GC. [:D]

[CapAndGown]

I doubt this is the whole answer. It would not explain why a random setting seems to generate the same number of hits as a group with search arcs set. EDIT: On second thought, maybe it does, since the "backfield" is supposed to be searched the same way a random arc is with the "searched" arc is supposed to not suffer a malus.

Nevertheless, I will give it a try and see if anything comes of it.

[witpqs]

Michael,

Are ASW arcs affected the same way?

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Bliztk

So instead of setting the "Search Arc", we are setting the "Do Not Search Arc".

Correct ?

Or maybe, "See the lovely mountains of Southern California by air."

[michaelm75au]

I was quite surprised to see my search arcs for 320 to 020 come out as 320, 310, 300, 290, etc.

Listed below is a before (1106g) and after (1107) listing of the search arcs being allocated to each search plane.
This also shows that more than one plane can be allocated to the arc to increase chance of detection.
The arc assignment carries over from the AM to the PM phase. That is if the search arc was 200 to 370, and the last search

arc in AM was 270, then the first one in PM would 280.

In the 1107 section, you can see the repeating allocation of planes to the search arcs. The first group has about 4 planes

per search arc, increasing chane of detection. Compare this to the single plane per search arc in 1106g.

1106g
Flight# 1 of 703 Ku K-1 created with 27 G3M2 Nell planes from 27 initially at base Roi-Namur/clouds=2
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 320 to 020
Flight# 2 of 1 planes on search arc 31 created from #1 left with 26 planes on arc 32
Flight# 3 of 1 planes on search arc 30 created from #1 left with 25 planes on arc 32
Flight# 4 of 1 planes on search arc 29 created from #1 left with 24 planes on arc 32
Flight# 5 of 1 planes on search arc 28 created from #1 left with 23 planes on arc 32
Flight# 6 of 1 planes on search arc 27 created from #1 left with 22 planes on arc 32
Flight# 7 of 1 planes on search arc 26 created from #1 left with 21 planes on arc 32
Flight# 8 of 1 planes on search arc 25 created from #1 left with 20 planes on arc 32
Flight# 9 of 1 planes on search arc 24 created from #1 left with 19 planes on arc 32
Flight# 10 of 1 planes on search arc 23 created from #1 left with 18 planes on arc 32
Flight# 11 of 1 planes on search arc 22 created from #1 left with 17 planes on arc 32
Flight# 12 of 1 planes on search arc 21 created from #1 left with 16 planes on arc 32
Flight# 13 of 1 planes on search arc 20 created from #1 left with 15 planes on arc 32
Flight# 14 of 1 planes on search arc 19 created from #1 left with 14 planes on arc 32
Flight# 15 of 1 planes on search arc 18 created from #1 left with 13 planes on arc 32
Flight# 16 of 1 planes on search arc 17 created from #1 left with 12 planes on arc 32
Flight# 17 of 1 planes on search arc 16 created from #1 left with 11 planes on arc 32
Flight# 18 of 1 planes on search arc 15 created from #1 left with 10 planes on arc 32
Flight# 19 of 1 planes on search arc 14 created from #1 left with 9 planes on arc 32
Flight# 20 of 1 planes on search arc 13 created from #1 left with 8 planes on arc 32
Flight# 21 of 1 planes on search arc 12 created from #1 left with 7 planes on arc 32
Flight# 22 of 1 planes on search arc 11 created from #1 left with 6 planes on arc 32
Flight# 23 of 1 planes on search arc 10 created from #1 left with 5 planes on arc 32
Flight# 24 of 1 planes on search arc 9 created from #1 left with 4 planes on arc 32
Flight# 25 of 1 planes on search arc 8 created from #1 left with 3 planes on arc 32
Flight# 26 of 1 planes on search arc 7 created from #1 left with 2 planes on arc 32
Flight# 27 of 1 planes on search arc 6 created from #1 left with 1 planes on arc 32
Flight# 28 of 755 Ku K-1 created with 27 G4M1 Betty planes from 27 initially at base Kwajalein Island/clouds=3
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 200 to 310
Flight# 29 of 1 planes on search arc 19 created from #28 left with 26 planes on arc 20
Flight# 30 of 1 planes on search arc 18 created from #28 left with 25 planes on arc 20
Flight# 31 of 1 planes on search arc 17 created from #28 left with 24 planes on arc 20
Flight# 32 of 1 planes on search arc 16 created from #28 left with 23 planes on arc 20
Flight# 33 of 1 planes on search arc 15 created from #28 left with 22 planes on arc 20
Flight# 34 of 1 planes on search arc 14 created from #28 left with 21 planes on arc 20
Flight# 35 of 1 planes on search arc 13 created from #28 left with 20 planes on arc 20
Flight# 36 of 1 planes on search arc 12 created from #28 left with 19 planes on arc 20
Flight# 37 of 1 planes on search arc 11 created from #28 left with 18 planes on arc 20
Flight# 38 of 1 planes on search arc 10 created from #28 left with 17 planes on arc 20
Flight# 39 of 1 planes on search arc 9 created from #28 left with 16 planes on arc 20
Flight# 40 of 1 planes on search arc 8 created from #28 left with 15 planes on arc 20
Flight# 41 of 1 planes on search arc 7 created from #28 left with 14 planes on arc 20
Flight# 42 of 1 planes on search arc 6 created from #28 left with 13 planes on arc 20
Flight# 43 of 1 planes on search arc 5 created from #28 left with 12 planes on arc 20
Flight# 44 of 1 planes on search arc 4 created from #28 left with 11 planes on arc 20
Flight# 45 of 1 planes on search arc 3 created from #28 left with 10 planes on arc 20
Flight# 46 of 1 planes on search arc 2 created from #28 left with 9 planes on arc 20
Flight# 47 of 1 planes on search arc 1 created from #28 left with 8 planes on arc 20
Flight# 48 of 1 planes on search arc 0 created from #28 left with 7 planes on arc 20
Flight# 49 of 1 planes on search arc 35 created from #28 left with 6 planes on arc 20
Flight# 50 of 1 planes on search arc 34 created from #28 left with 5 planes on arc 20
Flight# 51 of 1 planes on search arc 33 created from #28 left with 4 planes on arc 20
Flight# 52 of 1 planes on search arc 32 created from #28 left with 3 planes on arc 20
Flight# 53 of 1 planes on search arc 31 created from #28 left with 2 planes on arc 20
Flight# 54 of 1 planes on search arc 20 created from #28 left with 1 planes on arc 20
Flight# 55 of 801 Ku T-1 created with 18 H6K4 Mavis planes from 18 initially at base Maloelap/clouds=5
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 090 to 340
Flight# 56 of 1 planes on search arc 10 created from #55 left with 17 planes on arc 9
Flight# 57 of 1 planes on search arc 11 created from #55 left with 16 planes on arc 9
Flight# 58 of 1 planes on search arc 12 created from #55 left with 15 planes on arc 9
Flight# 59 of 1 planes on search arc 13 created from #55 left with 14 planes on arc 9
Flight# 60 of 1 planes on search arc 14 created from #55 left with 13 planes on arc 9
Flight# 61 of 1 planes on search arc 15 created from #55 left with 12 planes on arc 9
Flight# 62 of 1 planes on search arc 16 created from #55 left with 11 planes on arc 9
Flight# 63 of 1 planes on search arc 17 created from #55 left with 10 planes on arc 9
Flight# 64 of 1 planes on search arc 18 created from #55 left with 9 planes on arc 9
Flight# 65 of 1 planes on search arc 19 created from #55 left with 8 planes on arc 9
Flight# 66 of 1 planes on search arc 20 created from #55 left with 7 planes on arc 9
Flight# 67 of 1 planes on search arc 21 created from #55 left with 6 planes on arc 9
Flight# 68 of 1 planes on search arc 22 created from #55 left with 5 planes on arc 9
Flight# 69 of 1 planes on search arc 23 created from #55 left with 4 planes on arc 9
Flight# 70 of 1 planes on search arc 24 created from #55 left with 3 planes on arc 9
Flight# 71 of 1 planes on search arc 25 created from #55 left with 2 planes on arc 9
Flight# 72 of 1 planes on search arc 26 created from #55 left with 1 planes on arc 9
Flight# 73 of 801 Ku T-2 created with 18 H8K1 Emily planes from 18 initially at base Jaluit/clouds=3
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 250 to 060
Flight# 74 of 1 planes on search arc 24 created from #73 left with 17 planes on arc 25
Flight# 75 of 1 planes on search arc 23 created from #73 left with 16 planes on arc 25
Flight# 76 of 1 planes on search arc 22 created from #73 left with 15 planes on arc 25
Flight# 77 of 1 planes on search arc 21 created from #73 left with 14 planes on arc 25
Flight# 78 of 1 planes on search arc 20 created from #73 left with 13 planes on arc 25
Flight# 79 of 1 planes on search arc 19 created from #73 left with 12 planes on arc 25
Flight# 80 of 1 planes on search arc 18 created from #73 left with 11 planes on arc 25
Flight# 81 of 1 planes on search arc 17 created from #73 left with 10 planes on arc 25
Flight# 82 of 1 planes on search arc 16 created from #73 left with 9 planes on arc 25
Flight# 83 of 1 planes on search arc 15 created from #73 left with 8 planes on arc 25
Flight# 84 of 1 planes on search arc 14 created from #73 left with 7 planes on arc 25
Flight# 85 of 1 planes on search arc 13 created from #73 left with 6 planes on arc 25
Flight# 86 of 1 planes on search arc 12 created from #73 left with 5 planes on arc 25
Flight# 87 of 1 planes on search arc 11 created from #73 left with 4 planes on arc 25
Flight# 88 of 1 planes on search arc 10 created from #73 left with 3 planes on arc 25
Flight# 89 of 1 planes on search arc 9 created from #73 left with 2 planes on arc 25
Flight# 90 of 1 planes on search arc 8 created from #73 left with 1 planes on arc 25
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1107
Flight# 1 of 703 Ku K-1 created with 27 G3M2 Nell planes from 27 initially at base Roi-Namur/clouds=4
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 320 to 020
Flight# 2 of 1 planes on search arc 33 created from #1 left with 26 planes on arc 32
Flight# 3 of 1 planes on search arc 34 created from #1 left with 25 planes on arc 32
Flight# 4 of 1 planes on search arc 35 created from #1 left with 24 planes on arc 32
Flight# 5 of 1 planes on search arc 0 created from #1 left with 23 planes on arc 32
Flight# 6 of 1 planes on search arc 1 created from #1 left with 22 planes on arc 32
Flight# 7 of 1 planes on search arc 2 created from #1 left with 21 planes on arc 32
Flight# 8 of 1 planes on search arc 32 created from #1 left with 20 planes on arc 32
Flight# 9 of 1 planes on search arc 33 created from #1 left with 19 planes on arc 32
Flight# 10 of 1 planes on search arc 34 created from #1 left with 18 planes on arc 32
Flight# 11 of 1 planes on search arc 35 created from #1 left with 17 planes on arc 32
Flight# 12 of 1 planes on search arc 0 created from #1 left with 16 planes on arc 32
Flight# 13 of 1 planes on search arc 1 created from #1 left with 15 planes on arc 32
Flight# 14 of 1 planes on search arc 2 created from #1 left with 14 planes on arc 32
Flight# 15 of 1 planes on search arc 32 created from #1 left with 13 planes on arc 32
Flight# 16 of 1 planes on search arc 33 created from #1 left with 12 planes on arc 32
Flight# 17 of 1 planes on search arc 34 created from #1 left with 11 planes on arc 32
Flight# 18 of 1 planes on search arc 35 created from #1 left with 10 planes on arc 32
Flight# 19 of 1 planes on search arc 0 created from #1 left with 9 planes on arc 32
Flight# 20 of 1 planes on search arc 1 created from #1 left with 8 planes on arc 32
Flight# 21 of 1 planes on search arc 2 created from #1 left with 7 planes on arc 32
Flight# 22 of 1 planes on search arc 32 created from #1 left with 6 planes on arc 32
Flight# 23 of 1 planes on search arc 33 created from #1 left with 5 planes on arc 32
Flight# 24 of 1 planes on search arc 34 created from #1 left with 4 planes on arc 32
Flight# 25 of 1 planes on search arc 35 created from #1 left with 3 planes on arc 32
Flight# 26 of 1 planes on search arc 0 created from #1 left with 2 planes on arc 32
Flight# 27 of 1 planes on search arc 1 created from #1 left with 1 planes on arc 32
Flight# 28 of 755 Ku K-1 created with 27 G4M1 Betty planes from 27 initially at base Kwajalein Island/clouds=1
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 200 to 310
Flight# 29 of 1 planes on search arc 21 created from #28 left with 26 planes on arc 20
Flight# 30 of 1 planes on search arc 22 created from #28 left with 25 planes on arc 20
Flight# 31 of 1 planes on search arc 23 created from #28 left with 24 planes on arc 20
Flight# 32 of 1 planes on search arc 24 created from #28 left with 23 planes on arc 20
Flight# 33 of 1 planes on search arc 25 created from #28 left with 22 planes on arc 20
Flight# 34 of 1 planes on search arc 26 created from #28 left with 21 planes on arc 20
Flight# 35 of 1 planes on search arc 27 created from #28 left with 20 planes on arc 20
Flight# 36 of 1 planes on search arc 28 created from #28 left with 19 planes on arc 20
Flight# 37 of 1 planes on search arc 29 created from #28 left with 18 planes on arc 20
Flight# 38 of 1 planes on search arc 30 created from #28 left with 17 planes on arc 20
Flight# 39 of 1 planes on search arc 31 created from #28 left with 16 planes on arc 20
Flight# 40 of 1 planes on search arc 20 created from #28 left with 15 planes on arc 20
Flight# 41 of 1 planes on search arc 21 created from #28 left with 14 planes on arc 20
Flight# 42 of 1 planes on search arc 22 created from #28 left with 13 planes on arc 20
Flight# 43 of 1 planes on search arc 23 created from #28 left with 12 planes on arc 20
Flight# 44 of 1 planes on search arc 24 created from #28 left with 11 planes on arc 20
Flight# 45 of 1 planes on search arc 25 created from #28 left with 10 planes on arc 20
Flight# 46 of 1 planes on search arc 26 created from #28 left with 9 planes on arc 20
Flight# 47 of 1 planes on search arc 27 created from #28 left with 8 planes on arc 20
Flight# 48 of 1 planes on search arc 28 created from #28 left with 7 planes on arc 20
Flight# 49 of 1 planes on search arc 29 created from #28 left with 6 planes on arc 20
Flight# 50 of 1 planes on search arc 30 created from #28 left with 5 planes on arc 20
Flight# 51 of 1 planes on search arc 31 created from #28 left with 4 planes on arc 20
Flight# 52 of 1 planes on search arc 20 created from #28 left with 3 planes on arc 20
Flight# 53 of 1 planes on search arc 21 created from #28 left with 2 planes on arc 20
Flight# 54 of 1 planes on search arc 22 created from #28 left with 1 planes on arc 20
Flight# 55 of 801 Ku T-1 created with 18 H6K4 Mavis planes from 18 initially at base Maloelap/clouds=2
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 090 to 340
Flight# 56 of 1 planes on search arc 8 created from #55 left with 17 planes on arc 9
Flight# 57 of 1 planes on search arc 7 created from #55 left with 16 planes on arc 9
Flight# 58 of 1 planes on search arc 6 created from #55 left with 15 planes on arc 9
Flight# 59 of 1 planes on search arc 5 created from #55 left with 14 planes on arc 9
Flight# 60 of 1 planes on search arc 4 created from #55 left with 13 planes on arc 9
Flight# 61 of 1 planes on search arc 3 created from #55 left with 12 planes on arc 9
Flight# 62 of 1 planes on search arc 2 created from #55 left with 11 planes on arc 9
Flight# 63 of 1 planes on search arc 1 created from #55 left with 10 planes on arc 9
Flight# 64 of 1 planes on search arc 0 created from #55 left with 9 planes on arc 9
Flight# 65 of 1 planes on search arc 35 created from #55 left with 8 planes on arc 9
Flight# 66 of 1 planes on search arc 34 created from #55 left with 7 planes on arc 9
Flight# 67 of 1 planes on search arc 9 created from #55 left with 6 planes on arc 9
Flight# 68 of 1 planes on search arc 8 created from #55 left with 5 planes on arc 9
Flight# 69 of 1 planes on search arc 7 created from #55 left with 4 planes on arc 9
Flight# 70 of 1 planes on search arc 6 created from #55 left with 3 planes on arc 9
Flight# 71 of 1 planes on search arc 5 created from #55 left with 2 planes on arc 9
Flight# 72 of 1 planes on search arc 4 created from #55 left with 1 planes on arc 9
Flight# 73 of 801 Ku T-2 created with 18 H8K1 Emily planes from 18 initially at base Jaluit/clouds=2
 Mission SEARCH
-->Search from arc 250 to 060
Flight# 74 of 1 planes on search arc 26 created from #73 left with 17 planes on arc 25
Flight# 75 of 1 planes on search arc 27 created from #73 left with 16 planes on arc 25
Flight# 76 of 1 planes on search arc 28 created from #73 left with 15 planes on arc 25
Flight# 77 of 1 planes on search arc 29 created from #73 left with 14 planes on arc 25
Flight# 78 of 1 planes on search arc 30 created from #73 left with 13 planes on arc 25
Flight# 79 of 1 planes on search arc 31 created from #73 left with 12 planes on arc 25
Flight# 80 of 1 planes on search arc 32 created from #73 left with 11 planes on arc 25
Flight# 81 of 1 planes on search arc 33 created from #73 left with 10 planes on arc 25
Flight# 82 of 1 planes on search arc 34 created from #73 left with 9 planes on arc 25
Flight# 83 of 1 planes on search arc 35 created from #73 left with 8 planes on arc 25
Flight# 84 of 1 planes on search arc 0 created from #73 left with 7 planes on arc 25
Flight# 85 of 1 planes on search arc 1 created from #73 left with 6 planes on arc 25
Flight# 86 of 1 planes on search arc 2 created from #73 left with 5 planes on arc 25
Flight# 87 of 1 planes on search arc 3 created from #73 left with 4 planes on arc 25
Flight# 88 of 1 planes on search arc 4 created from #73 left with 3 planes on arc 25
Flight# 89 of 1 planes on search arc 5 created from #73 left with 2 planes on arc 25
Flight# 90 of 1 planes on search arc 6 created from #73 left with 1 planes on arc 25
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[michaelm75au]

However I think that there is a problem in that the allocation function is trying to apply the split using a clockwise motion.
Though sometimes it should be going in the other direction.
One of the 4 search patterns above is actually showing the reverse of what I expected. In 1106g it was correct, but is now wrong in 1107.

To simplify, I am going to add an item to the group arc screen that will allow you to say whether the patrol should be a clockwise or counter-clockwise spread. By default it will be clockwise.