I'm just kinda curious as to the apeal of this game to players who are outside the United States.
With all of the bad press our nation has been taking recently, and the fact many people, American and non American alike, seem to have forgotten the Second World War to a large degree, it really interests me that people would want to play a wargame that focuses on the (mostly) two national forces involved.
But it seems a lot of people from all over the world play this game, so I was curious as to where the attraction lies.
Non American Players?
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Non American Players?
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Ross Moorhouse
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Posted by SoulBlazer
Bad Press? What's changed?
Ross probably summed it for us Aussies, we don't get many games that cover the war in our back yard (and have heaps of our Aussie units to boot).
From a personal point of view, anything with the Guadalcanal campaign in it will always get my interest due to the time I've spent in the Solomons.
The other reason is that its a good game on a campaign where the two sides were well matched (for about 6 months anyway).
With all of the bad press our nation has been taking recently, and the fact many people, American and non American alike, seem to have forgotten the Second World War to a large degree, it really interests me that people would want to play a wargame that focuses on the (mostly) two national forces involved.
Bad Press? What's changed?
Ross probably summed it for us Aussies, we don't get many games that cover the war in our back yard (and have heaps of our Aussie units to boot).
From a personal point of view, anything with the Guadalcanal campaign in it will always get my interest due to the time I've spent in the Solomons.
The other reason is that its a good game on a campaign where the two sides were well matched (for about 6 months anyway).
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Re: Non American Players?
HiOriginally posted by SoulBlazer
I'm just kinda curious as to the apeal of this game to players who are outside the United States.
With all of the bad press our nation has been taking recently, and the fact many people, American and non American alike, seem to have forgotten the Second World War to a large degree, it really interests me that people would want to play a wargame that focuses on the (mostly) two national forces involved.
But it seems a lot of people from all over the world play this game, so I was curious as to where the attraction lies.
Well WW2 has been a subject that has captured generations and thus there is a huge interest for this game all over the world. For me personally I like both Pacific and European WW2 games.
It does not matter if this is a game between just Japan and the USA (Aussies too)
Dan
I'm a Brit, but anything to do with WW2 interests me I suppose. Again I suppose we do have a limited interest in the fact a few of our planes are represented.
Anyway, if want interesting theatre of war for Naval you would go Pacific, if want intersting land conflict you go Europe.
At the end of the day its just a damm fine enjoyable game regardless of the nationalities involved.
My most eagerly anticipated game does not involve my nation whatsoever "The Korsan Pocket" (Germans v Russians) , but if like ground theatre operations this looks like the dogs bollocks.
Anyway, if want interesting theatre of war for Naval you would go Pacific, if want intersting land conflict you go Europe.
At the end of the day its just a damm fine enjoyable game regardless of the nationalities involved.
My most eagerly anticipated game does not involve my nation whatsoever "The Korsan Pocket" (Germans v Russians) , but if like ground theatre operations this looks like the dogs bollocks.
I was gonna say SoulBlazer, that I think there are actually more non-American players, by a fairly large margin. At least observing the names and hometowns from these boards, you can see there are ALOT of players from around the world (and a great many from Austrailia).
My wife and travel a bit, and just by reading the posts of many of the Aussies here, it sounds very much like a wonderful place to visit. It's definately on our list of places to visit now (altho, it won't wont be for a little while, we're already planning on going to the UK in the spring).
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My wife and travel a bit, and just by reading the posts of many of the Aussies here, it sounds very much like a wonderful place to visit. It's definately on our list of places to visit now (altho, it won't wont be for a little while, we're already planning on going to the UK in the spring).
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UV is not "just" a wargame between the two protagonists; it is also a great "open-ended" strategy game.
If you enjoy planning strategy and tactics; if you like to lead vast armies, plan far-distant bombing offensives, and engage in great and desperate naval battles, then UV is the game that has it all and more. . .
If you enjoy history, and have either read about, or have seen documentaries on, the Pacific War, then UV will place you in the center of the action. . .
As long as history is kept "alive"; as long as people enjoy a good strategy game; and as long as gamers still have some imagination, then games like UV will be made, and enjoyed, for years to come. . .
Cheers!
If you enjoy planning strategy and tactics; if you like to lead vast armies, plan far-distant bombing offensives, and engage in great and desperate naval battles, then UV is the game that has it all and more. . .
If you enjoy history, and have either read about, or have seen documentaries on, the Pacific War, then UV will place you in the center of the action. . .
As long as history is kept "alive"; as long as people enjoy a good strategy game; and as long as gamers still have some imagination, then games like UV will be made, and enjoyed, for years to come. . .
Cheers!
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Aloha,
"the bad press" etc you mention really don't have any influence in purscashing and playing this (or any) game for me.
Although I doubt that the people who bought this game (and esp those active on the forums) have forgotten the 2nd worldwar.
Why the game appeals me?
First this game is a "GG game", I bought my first GG game in 1990 and since then I never has been dissapointed.
Gameplay is good, lots of bells and whistles and good after sales support.
I played Action stations, Carriers at war, Carrier strike etc, all those games where great but missed the logistic and landwar part or a campaign mode.
And those long campaigns are the biggest attraction for me.
"the bad press" etc you mention really don't have any influence in purscashing and playing this (or any) game for me.
Although I doubt that the people who bought this game (and esp those active on the forums) have forgotten the 2nd worldwar.
Why the game appeals me?
First this game is a "GG game", I bought my first GG game in 1990 and since then I never has been dissapointed.
Gameplay is good, lots of bells and whistles and good after sales support.
I played Action stations, Carriers at war, Carrier strike etc, all those games where great but missed the logistic and landwar part or a campaign mode.
And those long campaigns are the biggest attraction for me.
I am from the Netherlands and thourogly enjoy the game, for its enormous scope, eye for detail, freedom of action and still the 'feel' of being there and caring for every individual ship, aircraft etc. Although in this game the Dutch are not represented (but they should have been, if only with one or two squadrons: 18 Sq NEI-AF flying B-25's and 120 Sq NEI-AF flying P-40's and a few warships), I hope in WITP we will be represented correctly.
My main interest in the SWPA is the fact that it is an almost forgotten battlefield (unlike Normandy, the Bulge, Arnhem, Stalingrad etc) specially after the battles of the Coral Sea and Guadalcanal. Once McArthur started to move along the New-Guinea coast, this front was secondary in attention to the US Navy campaign through the central Pacific.
And his forces deserve better, they fought their way through New-Guinea to the Phillipines and byond in an incredible short time with relative light losses.
Bas
My main interest in the SWPA is the fact that it is an almost forgotten battlefield (unlike Normandy, the Bulge, Arnhem, Stalingrad etc) specially after the battles of the Coral Sea and Guadalcanal. Once McArthur started to move along the New-Guinea coast, this front was secondary in attention to the US Navy campaign through the central Pacific.
And his forces deserve better, they fought their way through New-Guinea to the Phillipines and byond in an incredible short time with relative light losses.
Bas
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I'm an American, but I can tell you that what you read in the press in much of the world is just as influenced by liberal bias as it is here in the states, and most European countries there is a substantial minority that views many issues the same way people in the state's do. There is a political class in Europe that wields enormous power and pays little attention to what ordinary people think (sound familiar?), and they annouce what the public thinks even though their positions are often controversial at the very least.
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I don't supose you would mind explaining that in a little more detail, would you?
To the rest of you, thanks for your responses. They are pretty much what I expected.
Nice to know that somethings, such as computer games, can trandscend national boundries and groups.
To the rest of you, thanks for your responses. They are pretty much what I expected.
Nice to know that somethings, such as computer games, can trandscend national boundries and groups. The US Navy could probaly win a war without coffee, but would prefer not to try -- Samuel Morison
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Hello Superben,
Thank you for that pithy reply. As for the caricature -- are you suggesting that everyone in Europe thinks exactly the same way and no one disagrees? Gee, and I thought only in Iraq did 100% of the public agree on things!
As for my thinking like an American, I guess I can't help that, but since I've studied in Europe, visited 8 more times since then, during which I've visited most of the nations on the continent, studied 3 different languages which I have some passing skill in, am married to a European, have many European friends, have an M.A. in Russian History, in addition to a Ph.D. in Political Science with a minor in I.R., let me just mention that your 10 word insult/reply shows something less than a mastery politics.
Here's a friendly suggestion, have something to say, don't introduce yourself by insulting people.
Michael Walker
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Thank you for that pithy reply. As for the caricature -- are you suggesting that everyone in Europe thinks exactly the same way and no one disagrees? Gee, and I thought only in Iraq did 100% of the public agree on things!
As for my thinking like an American, I guess I can't help that, but since I've studied in Europe, visited 8 more times since then, during which I've visited most of the nations on the continent, studied 3 different languages which I have some passing skill in, am married to a European, have many European friends, have an M.A. in Russian History, in addition to a Ph.D. in Political Science with a minor in I.R., let me just mention that your 10 word insult/reply shows something less than a mastery politics.
Here's a friendly suggestion, have something to say, don't introduce yourself by insulting people.
Michael Walker
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Hi,
I would like to say that I got interested in WW II Pacific theatre when as a teen, I spent quite a bundle on model building - Airfix, Revel and Tamiya. But the fun began with computer games - specifically when I bought GG's Pacific War in the mid 90s here in Singapore!:D . Thoroughly enjoy UV. Have been having beauty sleep for the past 4 weeks since last game against the Japanese AI and all ready to have a go in Ver 2.0. I suppose I can have another week of beauty sleep before the war begin again.
I am very happy to see that besides Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, Asians; a great number of Europeans are also playing this game. It shows that a good game knows no national boundary.
I would like to say that I got interested in WW II Pacific theatre when as a teen, I spent quite a bundle on model building - Airfix, Revel and Tamiya. But the fun began with computer games - specifically when I bought GG's Pacific War in the mid 90s here in Singapore!:D . Thoroughly enjoy UV. Have been having beauty sleep for the past 4 weeks since last game against the Japanese AI and all ready to have a go in Ver 2.0. I suppose I can have another week of beauty sleep before the war begin again.
I am very happy to see that besides Americans, Aussies, Kiwis, Asians; a great number of Europeans are also playing this game. It shows that a good game knows no national boundary.
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Do you think they don't know about it? Could current Japanese pacifist culture be having and effect? Or perhaps not wanting to replay a war which they lost?
Not sure that any of these things should apply, though, considering the same could be said about Germans and I know there are a lot of German wargamers.
Scully and I sure could use some moral support from the Japanese in our crusade to do right by the IJN.
Fox Mulder
Not sure that any of these things should apply, though, considering the same could be said about Germans and I know there are a lot of German wargamers.
Scully and I sure could use some moral support from the Japanese in our crusade to do right by the IJN.
Fox Mulder
HiOriginally posted by cap_and_gown
Do you think they don't know about it? Could current Japanese pacifist culture be having and effect? Or perhaps not wanting to replay a war which they lost?
Fox Mulder
I am quite sure they dont know about it (where would they find out?). The pacifist issue has nothing to do with them not playing this game. They play wargames just like other people:)
Maybe Matrix should have an info page in Japanese (I think another wargame company did that for a game) The language barrier is an issue when they want to order or get info so I guess Matrix needs to get the games to a seller in Japan or make an info page in Japanese.
Dan