I wrote caricatural and not typical . It means I think than only a minority of american think like M. Walker ( -----> only european elite "hate" american way of life and way of government . But the european citizen love America and have the dream to become an american ) ..... I hope ( and the subject of the post is typical ) that most and most american are aware that the wind changes ....... Remenber the true speech of the man who should be american president Al Gore ..... He said something like :" In one year all the worldwide fellow feeling for the american people has disapear ....."
The question is now " Why ????? "
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SoulBlazer
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I still don't follow you. What does that have to do with a COMPUTER game? One reason I like playing is to re-live past glories of my countries military history, and I wanted some takes on non-American opinions. (Please note I said ONE reason.....it's not the primary reason.)
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Michael Walker
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Mind reading problems
Superben:
Stick to games and give up mind reading; as a codicil, try actually reading posts and not inferring a bunch of preconceived non-sense from them.
I did not say only elites disagreed with the US government, I simply said that some, I admitted it was a minority, did have some sympathetic feelings towards the US. All of this crud about loving to become an American citizen is your own paranoid flotsam.
Regarding Al Gore, since you have managed to communicate almost nothing in your posts aside from your intent to insult, I suggest you spell out what you mean so that someone can actually understand you point -- if indeed you have one.
As for people not liking us, if it refers to people like yourself, I can see no possibility of avoiding the wrath of those who put words into other people's mouths and jump at the opportunity to make negative assertions.
As a final point, I applaud our president for putting our safety and principal ahead of a popularity contest among those who are the principal causes of this problem. You can put me down as a unilateralist heretic if I must seek the approval of vicious blood-stained tyrannies like Syria's to get UN Security Council approval.
Michael Walker
Stick to games and give up mind reading; as a codicil, try actually reading posts and not inferring a bunch of preconceived non-sense from them.
I did not say only elites disagreed with the US government, I simply said that some, I admitted it was a minority, did have some sympathetic feelings towards the US. All of this crud about loving to become an American citizen is your own paranoid flotsam.
Regarding Al Gore, since you have managed to communicate almost nothing in your posts aside from your intent to insult, I suggest you spell out what you mean so that someone can actually understand you point -- if indeed you have one.
As for people not liking us, if it refers to people like yourself, I can see no possibility of avoiding the wrath of those who put words into other people's mouths and jump at the opportunity to make negative assertions.
As a final point, I applaud our president for putting our safety and principal ahead of a popularity contest among those who are the principal causes of this problem. You can put me down as a unilateralist heretic if I must seek the approval of vicious blood-stained tyrannies like Syria's to get UN Security Council approval.
Michael Walker
Originally posted by Superben
I wrote caricatural and not typical . It means I think than only a minority of american think like M. Walker ( -----> only european elite "hate" american way of life and way of government . But the european citizen love America and have the dream to become an american ) ..... I hope ( and the subject of the post is typical ) that most and most american are aware that the wind changes ....... Remenber the true speech of the man who should be american president Al Gore ..... He said something like :" In one year all the worldwide fellow feeling for the american people has disapear ....."
The question is now " Why ????? "
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Michael Walker
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France at the UN
This is rapidly going very off topic, nevertheless I will respond.
France is the European country Americans have the most negative view of -- a majority of the Americans who are paying attention to this will consider the French position not very important.
If the French VETO a US resolution, it will merely harden the administration's position. I cannot imagine any American politician who will raise France's objections as a serious reason to avoid action. Some would do the opposite. The only real result would be a further decline of American attitudes about France. This could be considerable. Think about what has happened to US-German relations since Schroeder's anti-American campaign.
Regarding the UN in general, it is an unfortunate reality that American's increasingly feeling negative about the UN. That is the fault of both parties. There is too much to say to even begin this.
As an aside, to those that are following this closely and are not philosophically opposed to unilateral action or war itself, the French played a key role in undermining the UNSCOM regime and allowing Saddam to survive without effective inspections. The ridiculous rules applied to the replacement UNMOVIC were the result of French influence and France's current claims to be serious about solving problems in Iraq are very difficult to believe. At least the Russians are honest that they only care about their contracts -- the French position is pure hypocrisy.
Michael Walker
France is the European country Americans have the most negative view of -- a majority of the Americans who are paying attention to this will consider the French position not very important.
If the French VETO a US resolution, it will merely harden the administration's position. I cannot imagine any American politician who will raise France's objections as a serious reason to avoid action. Some would do the opposite. The only real result would be a further decline of American attitudes about France. This could be considerable. Think about what has happened to US-German relations since Schroeder's anti-American campaign.
Regarding the UN in general, it is an unfortunate reality that American's increasingly feeling negative about the UN. That is the fault of both parties. There is too much to say to even begin this.
As an aside, to those that are following this closely and are not philosophically opposed to unilateral action or war itself, the French played a key role in undermining the UNSCOM regime and allowing Saddam to survive without effective inspections. The ridiculous rules applied to the replacement UNMOVIC were the result of French influence and France's current claims to be serious about solving problems in Iraq are very difficult to believe. At least the Russians are honest that they only care about their contracts -- the French position is pure hypocrisy.
Michael Walker
Fortunatly , Great Britain will be always here !!!!
Last minute : muslim party has just won elections in Turkey .... One allie less in Near East.... But you are right ... Destroy all these Rogue states ( enumerate them will be too long .. Should I add France and Germany ??? )
Thank you for your very interesting point of view of the New World Order and the european elite ( an apparently very representative of an multicultural american , open on european culture ).
Finally I learn a lot from you ( really ) .....
That 's not only an ocean which separates us but an Universe ..............
NB : I read 4 times my posts and I don't read only one word of anti-americanism ( you write "People like you who are not liking us ) ....... So please don't hunt witches against people who disagree with you ....
NB2 : For me dispute is closed .....
Last minute : muslim party has just won elections in Turkey .... One allie less in Near East.... But you are right ... Destroy all these Rogue states ( enumerate them will be too long .. Should I add France and Germany ??? )
Thank you for your very interesting point of view of the New World Order and the european elite ( an apparently very representative of an multicultural american , open on european culture ).
Finally I learn a lot from you ( really ) .....
That 's not only an ocean which separates us but an Universe ..............
NB : I read 4 times my posts and I don't read only one word of anti-americanism ( you write "People like you who are not liking us ) ....... So please don't hunt witches against people who disagree with you ....
NB2 : For me dispute is closed .....
Superben
In vino veritas ...
In vino veritas ...
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Michael Walker
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the last word
Clearly we have spoke past each other. If I do understand you, I again disagree with every single point you've made.
Re: Great Britain, I do not take Britain's support of America for granted. Frankly, President Bush has only done a mediocre job of making his case and even those who support him realize this
Re: Turkey, the new Turikish government will not rupture relations with the US. If they do anything remotely radical the Army will displace them as they have in the past. I am not advocating this, it is simply a fact.
Re: France & Germany, our relations with France have always included much disagreement, that goes for much of France's relations with NATO and Europe as well. However, there is too much at stake for either side to let them slide too far. Relations with Germany are normally excellent, Schroeder foolishly ruined them by saving his campaign with an offensive (from the American point of view) slogan. His Justice Minister's Hitler remark was not exactly a great moment for diplomacy either -- and people say Bush is dumb...
Re: Destroying rogue states, the U.S. has not advocated destroying anyone. It merely wants to make sure, "the world's worst dicators" don't have access to "the world's worst weapons". Do you disagree with this?
As an aside, the one rogue state we have gotten involved with is Afghanistan -- do you think it was a better place before, or now?
I do not consider myself an advocate of the "New World Order" and I reject multiculturalism, with has become tainted term with loaded meanings for each side of the political spectrum.
I agree that an enormous gulf separates us, primarily because there is no genuine understanding of positions taking place. You are looking for reasons to assign to me extremist positions you have already assumed I have.
Finally, I have been abrupt because of your use of words like "pathetic" to describe what I wrote. You have every right to your opinion and to be anti-American. I am simply offended by bad-manners, ie, name calling instead of expressing an honest difference of opinion.
Michael Walker
Re: Great Britain, I do not take Britain's support of America for granted. Frankly, President Bush has only done a mediocre job of making his case and even those who support him realize this
Re: Turkey, the new Turikish government will not rupture relations with the US. If they do anything remotely radical the Army will displace them as they have in the past. I am not advocating this, it is simply a fact.
Re: France & Germany, our relations with France have always included much disagreement, that goes for much of France's relations with NATO and Europe as well. However, there is too much at stake for either side to let them slide too far. Relations with Germany are normally excellent, Schroeder foolishly ruined them by saving his campaign with an offensive (from the American point of view) slogan. His Justice Minister's Hitler remark was not exactly a great moment for diplomacy either -- and people say Bush is dumb...
Re: Destroying rogue states, the U.S. has not advocated destroying anyone. It merely wants to make sure, "the world's worst dicators" don't have access to "the world's worst weapons". Do you disagree with this?
As an aside, the one rogue state we have gotten involved with is Afghanistan -- do you think it was a better place before, or now?
I do not consider myself an advocate of the "New World Order" and I reject multiculturalism, with has become tainted term with loaded meanings for each side of the political spectrum.
I agree that an enormous gulf separates us, primarily because there is no genuine understanding of positions taking place. You are looking for reasons to assign to me extremist positions you have already assumed I have.
Finally, I have been abrupt because of your use of words like "pathetic" to describe what I wrote. You have every right to your opinion and to be anti-American. I am simply offended by bad-manners, ie, name calling instead of expressing an honest difference of opinion.
Michael Walker
Mike...just remember that part of the burden of being the best is having everyone else jealous and resentful of you.
"Money doesnt talk, it swears. Obscenities, who really cares?" -Bob Dylan
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
Why the Pacific?
Hi all,
Of all WW2 scenarios, I specially like 1942-43 Pacific campaigns; probably because there was much less civilian suffering than in others, just the armed forced of two great powers grappled in deadly combat. Can you imagine an scenary with less 'co-lateral damage' than two carrier forces trading blows in mid-Pacific?
Of course I am not saying that was a 'clean' war; such a thing does not exist. And the suffering of soldiers is suffering as well. But at least they can fight back...
Of all WW2 scenarios, I specially like 1942-43 Pacific campaigns; probably because there was much less civilian suffering than in others, just the armed forced of two great powers grappled in deadly combat. Can you imagine an scenary with less 'co-lateral damage' than two carrier forces trading blows in mid-Pacific?
Of course I am not saying that was a 'clean' war; such a thing does not exist. And the suffering of soldiers is suffering as well. But at least they can fight back...
And I seem to recall reading that the sharks had an enjoyable time as well. There is a story of an Aussie Catalina pilot, who after returning from a long patrol, could not be bothered waiting for the tender to take him and the crew from the tethered cat back to the shore. So he swam.......unlucky for him the happened to be a shark, whom it seems had a taste for dumb aussie officers. The shark bit down and took of one of his legs from the knee down.
This pilot then turns up many months latter at the Squdron with a tin leg, and decleared fit for flight operations! Our own Aussie Douglass Barder! The story goes on the when the crew would get pissed (drunk) they would nick his tin leg for a laugh.
This pilot then turns up many months latter at the Squdron with a tin leg, and decleared fit for flight operations! Our own Aussie Douglass Barder! The story goes on the when the crew would get pissed (drunk) they would nick his tin leg for a laugh.
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
huh?
I thought that story ended with after the tin-legged pilot landed, he didn't want to wait (again) and went for a swim and drowned because of his leg . . .
Or maybe whoever told me that one was pulling my leg . . .
Or maybe whoever told me that one was pulling my leg . . .
With dancing Bananas and Storm Troopers who needs BBs?
Sure a lot of you guys from down under on this forum all the time. One of these days I will make it there:)
My dad was in the 24th ID during the war and was in the latter stages of the New Guinea campaign and then on into the Phillipines. I have always been interested in WWII, both the Pacific and European theatres. I'm glad so many people enjoy this game...it is a good one.
On another note...I like France and Germany, I spent 5 years of my life over there and had a great time:)
Sabre21
My dad was in the 24th ID during the war and was in the latter stages of the New Guinea campaign and then on into the Phillipines. I have always been interested in WWII, both the Pacific and European theatres. I'm glad so many people enjoy this game...it is a good one.
On another note...I like France and Germany, I spent 5 years of my life over there and had a great time:)
Sabre21
Re: huh?
Originally posted by Luskan
I thought that story ended with after the tin-legged pilot landed, he didn't want to wait (again) and went for a swim and drowned because of his leg . . .
Or maybe whoever told me that one was pulling my leg . . .
Nah....some one was having a lend of ya. Do you really think that he would be dumb enough to go for a second swim?
Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Ah! This explains why you're playing the IJN. The first book I can remember reading about the war in the Pacific was William Manchester's Goodbye Darkness. I guess that's why I'm playing the Yanks.Originally posted by zed
my interested started in the fourth grade when I read
"SAMURAI" by Saburo Sakai.
Vaguely related note, I just finished watching Band of Brothers on TV for the fourth time. So far it's been on the BBC, on French-language Belgian TV and on French TV dubbed in French and on Dutch-language Belgian TV with subtitles. And starting Sunday the BBC is showing it again so I'll be watching it for the fifth time. And if they show it on the right channels I'll be able to watch it with subtitles on Dutch TV and dubbed on German TV. By then it should be getting repeated in France or Belgium so I should get in the Guinness Book of Records sometime soon. Well, it's better than Buffy.
Angus
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I doubt if he even knows his self what he was tryiny to say.